When will we trust in Pep

[linwood]

Bullshit blaming the players. It was the manager who upset the whole dynamic and rhythm of a winning team.
The players were clearly unhappy, just look at Fern when he came on he was raging.
It was like going into a boxing match with one arm tied behind your back.
Disgraceful management. Apologies to the blue specs brigade, bit that's the only way to describe it.

Agree with everything you say, if Dinho or Rodri had started they would have seen the gap and filled it and stopped Chelsea scoring. Pep fucked up big time and it’s not the first time he’s done it, no doubt it will be the same next season

The same, as in win the league, league Cup and get to the champions league final? Bring it on.

[sheblue]

Bullshit blaming the players. It was the manager who upset the whole dynamic and rhythm of a winning team.
The players were clearly unhappy, just look at Fern when he came on he was raging.
It was like going into a boxing match with one arm tied behind your back.
Disgraceful management. Apologies to the blue specs brigade, bit that's the only way to describe it.

If he had put out an inexperienced, young side I would totally agree with you. But it wasn’t. It was our first choice back 5. And barring Sterling for a DM it’s our best side. Who are incredibly experienced, talented, adaptable players who should have done better

No can't agree.
Gundo at 6, when did we last see that.
He's not a DM.
Playing with no DM.
Our leading goal scorer removed from his regular position negating his threat.
Back 4 left exposed and fragile.
Playing Foden out of position. He's brilliant wide left and then to accommodate an out of sorts player he shifts him to an unfamiliar role.
Starting a player no city fan in the world wanted to see starting.
Leaving ferna on the bench.
Not making subs when the whole world could see it was wrong.

If the above is not messing with the dynamic of a winning side, well I don't know what is.

[Mase]

Bullshit blaming the players. It was the manager who upset the whole dynamic and rhythm of a winning team.
The players were clearly unhappy, just look at Fern when he came on he was raging.
It was like going into a boxing match with one arm tied behind your back.
Disgraceful management. Apologies to the blue specs brigade, bit that's the only way to describe it.

Agree with everything you say, if Dinho or Rodri had started they would have seen the gap and filled it and stopped Chelsea scoring. Pep fucked up big time and it’s not the first time he’s done it, no doubt it will be the same next season

The same, as in win the league, league Cup and get to the champions league final? Bring it on.

Agree about the players. If I went in to work on Monday and my director said I was doing a different role I’d struggle at first. Foden, Gundo, Kev all out of position. The team was zapped of confidence because of our shape and tactics.

[linwood]

Bullshit blaming the players. It was the manager who upset the whole dynamic and rhythm of a winning team.
The players were clearly unhappy, just look at Fern when he came on he was raging.
It was like going into a boxing match with one arm tied behind your back.
Disgraceful management. Apologies to the blue specs brigade, bit that's the only way to describe it.

Agree with everything you say, if Dinho or Rodri had started they would have seen the gap and filled it and stopped Chelsea scoring. Pep fucked up big time and it’s not the first time he’s done it, no doubt it will be the same next season

The same, as in win the league, league Cup and get to the champions league final? Bring it on.

[s1ty m]

Bullshit blaming the players. It was the manager who upset the whole dynamic and rhythm of a winning team.
The players were clearly unhappy, just look at Fern when he came on he was raging.
It was like going into a boxing match with one arm tied behind your back.
Disgraceful management. Apologies to the blue specs brigade, bit that's the only way to describe it.

If he had put out an inexperienced, young side I would totally agree with you. But it wasn’t. It was our first choice back 5. And barring Sterling for a DM it’s our best side. Who are incredibly experienced, talented, adaptable players who should have done better

No can't agree.
Gundo at 6, when did we last see that.
He's not a DM.
Playing with no DM.
Our leading goal scorer removed from his regular position negating his threat.
Back 4 left exposed and fragile.
Playing Foden out of position. He's brilliant wide left and then to accommodate an out of sorts player he shifts him to an unfamiliar role.
Starting a player no city fan in the world wanted to see starting.
Leaving ferna on the bench.
Not making subs when the whole world could see it was wrong.

If the above is not messing with the dynamic of a winning side, well I don't know what is.

Sheblue is absolutely spot on. Pep picked a side that destroyed so much of what we had built upon. No pivot had a predictable domino effect. Mind-blowing that so many can see it but not Pep. Fucking insane.

[johnny crossan]

.....Starting a player no city fan in the world wanted to see starting.....

Ahem

[branny]

Not really read too much about the game but I haven't seen much mentioned about the goal. Ederson fucked up massively in my eyes and left an open goal. Or am I being too harsh?

No.
It was a defensive calamity
Stones went AWOL leaving a savage gap the through the middle
Zinchenko didn’t follow his man
And Ederson rushed out of area like a madman and was actually rather fortuitous not to get a red card.

A defensive howler like we haven’t seen for a good long time. In the biggest match. That’s on the players, not Pep

Plus we never stopped the first time ball inside that gave Mount the space for the through ball. That happened a few times down their left whether inside or down the line setting their attack in motion.

[branny]

Pep seems unable to acknowledge the counter attacking style as an effective tactic against our possession football. We have a high line with his attitude being "You can't counter if we have the ball" however we will never have 100% of the ball so at some point the counter attack will happen. He has compounded the fuck up with his team selection be that by leaving out our fastest defender or last night, our cdm and both are integral to how we play.

Our line up last night said "we are going to attack" and that played into Chelsea's hands. 7 defensive players and 3 attackers. Had we not gone gung ho and sat deeper eliminating the space in behind I'm pretty confident we would have handled the 3 Chelsea attackers. Same vs the Rags. They couldn't beat Villarreal because they they weren't good enough to cut them open. Pep needs to rethink his strategy against these one trick ponies because at the minute he's getting it wrong every time.

[linwood]

Pep seems unable to acknowledge the counter attacking style as an effective tactic against our possession football. We have a high line with his attitude being "You can't counter if we have the ball" however we will never have 100% of the ball so at some point the counter attack will happen. He has compounded the fuck up with his team selection be that by leaving out our fastest defender or last night, our cdm and both are integral to how we play.

Our line up last night said "we are going to attack" and that played into Chelsea's hands. 7 defensive players and 3 attackers. Had we not gone gung ho and sat deeper eliminating the space in behind I'm pretty confident we would have handled the 3 Chelsea attackers. Same vs the Rags. They couldn't beat Villarreal because they they weren't good enough to cut them open. Pep needs to rethink his strategy against these one trick ponies because at the minute he's getting it wrong every time.

You make some really good points. The base of which is that if we play below par we are beatable. Chelseas goal from their point of view was very good but from ours was riddled with errors.

[PeterParker]

I hate to say this, you can't imagine how much, but: Klopp ever changed his pressing system based on his opponents?
No. There you go.

Do you know how Steaua won the European Cup in 86? Their head coach never cared who he played against, Steaua played their offensive 4-3-3, similar to Ajax, no matter their opponent. Start the game with 2-0 in the first 5 minutes. His only rule.

I really believe we are the best team in the world at the moment, but we somewhat don't understand this and try to change our game based on the opponents. No, they need to change everything to get our level, not us.
Even fucking Mike Bassett knows you need to play his fucking 4-4-2 ffs

[branny]

I hate to say this, you can't imagine how much, but: Klopp ever changed his pressing system based on his opponents?
No. There you go.

Do you know how Steaua won the European Cup in 86? Their head coach never cared who he played against, Steaua played their offensive 4-3-3, similar to Ajax, no matter their opponent. Start the game with 2-0 in the first 5 minutes. His only rule.

I really believe we are the best team in the world at the moment, but we somewhat don't understand this and try to change our game based on the opponents. No, they need to change everything to get our level, not us.
Even fucking Mike Bassett knows you need to play his fucking 4-4-2 ffs

Villarreal stopped the Rags from counter attacking and they had no other tactic. I would suggest that the way Chelsea set up would have the same effect at the moment as they only have three attackers in the team. Stifle what they are good at and then earn the right to play. After the first ten minutes last night Pep should have reacted. He didn't. Same at ht. His plan b didn't work and he was way too late reverting to plan a.

[Dameerto]

I hate to say this, you can't imagine how much, but: Klopp ever changed his pressing system based on his opponents?
No. There you go.

Do you know how Steaua won the European Cup in 86? Their head coach never cared who he played against, Steaua played their offensive 4-3-3, similar to Ajax, no matter their opponent. Start the game with 2-0 in the first 5 minutes. His only rule.

I really believe we are the best team in the world at the moment, but we somewhat don't understand this and try to change our game based on the opponents. No, they need to change everything to get our level, not us.
Even fucking Mike Bassett knows you need to play his fucking 4-4-2 ffs

City (and Pep) are too in awe of the competition (not Chelsea, the UCL) - we have a mental block which I thought we'd overcome with a 'right of passage' performance at the Etihad against PSG. Unfortunately it seems it was a one off (or a two legged one off if you like).
I think it's going to take us time, possibly years to establish ourselves in our own minds as favourites in the UCL. We just have to keep plugging away. And remembering that night at the Etihad against PSG when the players believed.

[Outcast]

I hate to say this, you can't imagine how much, but: Klopp ever changed his pressing system based on his opponents?
No. There you go.

Do you know how Steaua won the European Cup in 86? Their head coach never cared who he played against, Steaua played their offensive 4-3-3, similar to Ajax, no matter their opponent. Start the game with 2-0 in the first 5 minutes. His only rule.

I really believe we are the best team in the world at the moment, but we somewhat don't understand this and try to change our game based on the opponents. No, they need to change everything to get our level, not us.
Even fucking Mike Bassett knows you need to play his fucking 4-4-2 ffs

Villarreal stopped the Rags from counter attacking and they had no other tactic. I would suggest that the way Chelsea set up would have the same effect at the moment as they only have three attackers in the team. Stifle what they are good at and then earn the right to play. After the first ten minutes last night Pep should have reacted. He didn't. Same at ht. His plan b didn't work and he was way too late reverting to plan a.

Should have started with plan A and if that Doesn't work then tweak it with a plan B. We've been successful in this competition down to our pragmatic apprach, defensively have been sound. Just don't understand why change it to all attack in the final?
Had he started with Aguero instead of Sterling and moved Foden to left I could live with that albeit wouldn't be my first choice.

[Two's Kompany]

I actually don't think we will ever really trust him again.
He has done this so many times that it's become a 'joke' amongst supporters.
I said it yesterday as I was sitting waiting to go to the game. The person I was speaking to was really confident and I replied 'until we see Garcia and Mendy in the line up'!
And there lies the problem.
He's a genius and the best manager we've ever had, BUT he has previous.
The senior players must have had real doubts when he announced the line-up, whilst Sterling must have known how they felt and deep down he'll have known he was a lucky boy to be anywhere near the starting XI .

[johnny crossan]

Bullshit blaming the players. It was the manager who upset the whole dynamic and rhythm of a winning team.
The players were clearly unhappy, just look at Fern when he came on he was raging.
It was like going into a boxing match with one arm tied behind your back.
Disgraceful management. Apologies to the blue specs brigade, bit that's the only way to describe it.

If he had put out an inexperienced, young side I would totally agree with you. But it wasn’t. It was our first choice back 5. And barring Sterling for a DM it’s our best side. Who are incredibly experienced, talented, adaptable players who should have done better

No can't agree.
Gundo at 6, when did we last see that.
He's not a DM.
Playing with no DM.
Our leading goal scorer removed from his regular position negating his threat.
Back 4 left exposed and fragile.
Playing Foden out of position. He's brilliant wide left and then to accommodate an out of sorts player he shifts him to an unfamiliar role.
Starting a player no city fan in the world wanted to see starting.
Leaving ferna on the bench.
Not making subs when the whole world could see it was wrong.

If the above is not messing with the dynamic of a winning side, well I don't know what is.

if he'd replaced Mahrez with Sterling instead of Fern it might have worked better.

[aaron bond]

Bullshit blaming the players. It was the manager who upset the whole dynamic and rhythm of a winning team.
The players were clearly unhappy, just look at Fern when he came on he was raging.
It was like going into a boxing match with one arm tied behind your back.
Disgraceful management. Apologies to the blue specs brigade, bit that's the only way to describe it.

If he had put out an inexperienced, young side I would totally agree with you. But it wasn’t. It was our first choice back 5. And barring Sterling for a DM it’s our best side. Who are incredibly experienced, talented, adaptable players who should have done better

No can't agree.
Gundo at 6, when did we last see that.
He's not a DM.
Playing with no DM.
Our leading goal scorer removed from his regular position negating his threat.
Back 4 left exposed and fragile.
Playing Foden out of position. He's brilliant wide left and then to accommodate an out of sorts player he shifts him to an unfamiliar role.
Starting a player no city fan in the world wanted to see starting.
Leaving ferna on the bench.
Not making subs when the whole world could see it was wrong.

If the above is not messing with the dynamic of a winning side, well I don't know what is.

Sheblue is absolutely spot on. Pep picked a side that destroyed so much of what we had built upon. No pivot had a predictable domino effect. Mind-blowing that so many can see it but not Pep. Fucking insane.

Agreed. Sheblue calls it.

It wasn't just a simple Sterling/Fern swap. The whole set-up was changed and clearly affected the players.

After struggling so much in the early part of the season, Pep created a system which led to a 20+ game winning run and, in the end, a comfortable league win. We reached the CL final without losing a game. It worked brilliantly and the players thrived in it.

Yet in both the FA Cup semi-final and the CL final he changes it and we lose both games.