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[carl_feedthegoat]

There is an awful lot you dont see on tv when writing reams and reams of notes during a match on web sites.

I spent most of my time jumping up and down in the kippax having a laugh with my mates more so than watching the actual match.

[carl_feedthegoat]

You might experience the atmosphere in a stadium and get to shout and sing but in this day and age, the view of a game from a TV screen, action replays, slow motion, freeze frame is far superior. Pep has drilled and trained our team to keep possession, pass it sideways or back in an effort to find a perfect opening or pass or attempt on goal . Pep frustrates because he wants perfec. The fans that criticise Pep want faster attacking play , take more shots, attempt through passes - even though its not perfect, I am not seeking perfection but i do want to be entertained. City at times just bore the arse off me and most neutrals. Even City commentators on the City match forum criticise our slow build up play in a lot of our matches.
Interesting you mentioned Spurs, a team that gupped us at our place and came from behind to get a draw when we played them away, a time when they had turned to shite and we were giving away points for fun in the second half of matches

On your point that TV is better than being at the game. It depends if all you want is to see replays and slow Mo's. I can guarantee you that sitting on the 2nd/3rd tiers at the Etihad gives a fantastic real time view of the play and the set up/formation etc, you don't get that view on TV as they follow the ball. I would argue that point all day.

Just because I like to argue - TV doesn’t just ‘follow the ball’ at all !! It actually gives you multiple simultaneous angles that you simply cannot replicate watching it live from your little fucking seat in the stands.
At the stadium, you’re stuck with one fixed angle and that’s if your paying attention fo 90 mins , no matter how good the fucking elevation is, you can’t zoom in on anyone or rewind to see if a foul was really a dive. If something happens at the far end, even in tier 2/3, details get lost without binoculars, and you miss the facial expressions, the precision of passes, or obvious fouls that the broadcast highlights instantly.

Pros and cons on both but you certainly get more detail watching on live TV than in the stands , no matter how much you try to argue otherwise.

You can keep your two dimensional view that you love so much with your close up of facial expressions, coaches spitting and of course the proximity to your fridge.

The view I have is so much better than a directors cut.

Typical leftie loon - facts hurt.

By the way , my fridge is fucking miles away from my living room so I’m training my Golden retriever to find the fridge and fucking retrieve.

[carl_feedthegoat]

You might experience the atmosphere in a stadium and get to shout and sing but in this day and age, the view of a game from a TV screen, action replays, slow motion, freeze frame is far superior. Pep has drilled and trained our team to keep possession, pass it sideways or back in an effort to find a perfect opening or pass or attempt on goal . Pep frustrates because he wants perfec. The fans that criticise Pep want faster attacking play , take more shots, attempt through passes - even though its not perfect, I am not seeking perfection but i do want to be entertained. City at times just bore the arse off me and most neutrals. Even City commentators on the City match forum criticise our slow build up play in a lot of our matches.
Interesting you mentioned Spurs, a team that gupped us at our place and came from behind to get a draw when we played them away, a time when they had turned to shite and we were giving away points for fun in the second half of matches

On your point that TV is better than being at the game. It depends if all you want is to see replays and slow Mo's. I can guarantee you that sitting on the 2nd/3rd tiers at the Etihad gives a fantastic real time view of the play and the set up/formation etc, you don't get that view on TV as they follow the ball. I would argue that point all day.

Just because I like to argue - TV doesn’t just ‘follow the ball’ at all !! It actually gives you multiple simultaneous angles that you simply cannot replicate watching it live from your little fucking seat in the stands.
At the stadium, you’re stuck with one fixed angle and that’s if your paying attention fo 90 mins , no matter how good the fucking elevation is, you can’t zoom in on anyone or rewind to see if a foul was really a dive. If something happens at the far end, even in tier 2/3, details get lost without binoculars, and you miss the facial expressions, the precision of passes, or obvious fouls that the broadcast highlights instantly.

Pros and cons on both but you certainly get more detail watching on live TV than in the stands , no matter how much you try to argue otherwise.

All that is true but I rarely see the same panorama on a TV that I get from sitting in the stands. I'm much more of a fan of seeing it in person because you can see the action unfolding, you can see the gaps and spaces on the pitch, and the passes that are on much more than those at home watching on TV. From where I was sitting at home I sure as hell didn't see Valverde making that run for the second goal.

I’m sure you went to watch matches in the Kippax back in the day like me - let’s be honest , we spent most of our time piss taking with the away end more so than watching the match .

[Wonderwall]

Typical leftie loon - facts hurt.

By the way , my fridge is fucking miles away from my living room so I’m training my Golden retriever to find the fridge and fucking retrieve.

Don't start with the leftie stuff here. That's for off topic. Go and join Mase trying to argue what it means, I think Slim is still waiting for an answer.

You gave your opinion because you're an armchair fan. You don't have a match going opinion apart from remembering when you went 40 years ago. You don't have the ability to agree with another viewpoint or maybe think that it's ok to have an alternative view. You just want to be negative and argue all the time. It's getting very tiresome.

[Slim]

You might experience the atmosphere in a stadium and get to shout and sing but in this day and age, the view of a game from a TV screen, action replays, slow motion, freeze frame is far superior. Pep has drilled and trained our team to keep possession, pass it sideways or back in an effort to find a perfect opening or pass or attempt on goal . Pep frustrates because he wants perfec. The fans that criticise Pep want faster attacking play , take more shots, attempt through passes - even though its not perfect, I am not seeking perfection but i do want to be entertained. City at times just bore the arse off me and most neutrals. Even City commentators on the City match forum criticise our slow build up play in a lot of our matches.
Interesting you mentioned Spurs, a team that gupped us at our place and came from behind to get a draw when we played them away, a time when they had turned to shite and we were giving away points for fun in the second half of matches

On your point that TV is better than being at the game. It depends if all you want is to see replays and slow Mo's. I can guarantee you that sitting on the 2nd/3rd tiers at the Etihad gives a fantastic real time view of the play and the set up/formation etc, you don't get that view on TV as they follow the ball. I would argue that point all day.

Just because I like to argue - TV doesn’t just ‘follow the ball’ at all !! It actually gives you multiple simultaneous angles that you simply cannot replicate watching it live from your little fucking seat in the stands.
At the stadium, you’re stuck with one fixed angle and that’s if your paying attention fo 90 mins , no matter how good the fucking elevation is, you can’t zoom in on anyone or rewind to see if a foul was really a dive. If something happens at the far end, even in tier 2/3, details get lost without binoculars, and you miss the facial expressions, the precision of passes, or obvious fouls that the broadcast highlights instantly.

Pros and cons on both but you certainly get more detail watching on live TV than in the stands , no matter how much you try to argue otherwise.

You can keep your two dimensional view that you love so much with your close up of facial expressions, coaches spitting and of course the proximity to your fridge.

The view I have is so much better than a directors cut.

Typical leftie loon - facts hurt.

By the way , my fridge is fucking miles away from my living room so I’m training my Golden retriever to find the fridge and fucking retrieve.

You don't have a fridge with a telly on it?

Weird...how's the heating in your cave?

[carl_feedthegoat]

Typical leftie loon - facts hurt.

By the way , my fridge is fucking miles away from my living room so I’m training my Golden retriever to find the fridge and fucking retrieve.

Don't start with the leftie stuff here. That's for off topic. Go and join Mase trying to argue what it means, I think Slim is still waiting for an answer.

You gave your opinion because you're an armchair fan. You don't have a match going opinion apart from remembering when you went 40 years ago. You don't have the ability to agree with another viewpoint or maybe think that it's ok to have an alternative view. You just want to be negative and argue all the time. It's getting very tiresome.

How about you go fuck yourself—and keep going.
Like I said: if my being here annoys you, just hit that little button under your Pep duvet and ban me.
You’re clearly a self-appointed supreme City fan on this forum, and I have zero intention of paying attention to anything you say.
Your move. Press the button or don’t—up to you

Fucking loon.

[Wonderwall]

Typical leftie loon - facts hurt.

By the way , my fridge is fucking miles away from my living room so I’m training my Golden retriever to find the fridge and fucking retrieve.

Don't start with the leftie stuff here. That's for off topic. Go and join Mase trying to argue what it means, I think Slim is still waiting for an answer.

You gave your opinion because you're an armchair fan. You don't have a match going opinion apart from remembering when you went 40 years ago. You don't have the ability to agree with another viewpoint or maybe think that it's ok to have an alternative view. You just want to be negative and argue all the time. It's getting very tiresome.

How about you go fuck yourself—and keep going.
Like I said: if my being here annoys you, just hit that little button under your Pep duvet and ban me.
You’re clearly a self-appointed supreme City fan on this forum, and I have zero intention of paying attention to anything you say.
Your move. Press the button or don’t—up to you

Fucking loon.

Some people are beyond help

[Scatman]

You might experience the atmosphere in a stadium and get to shout and sing but in this day and age, the view of a game from a TV screen, action replays, slow motion, freeze frame is far superior. Pep has drilled and trained our team to keep possession, pass it sideways or back in an effort to find a perfect opening or pass or attempt on goal . Pep frustrates because he wants perfec. The fans that criticise Pep want faster attacking play , take more shots, attempt through passes - even though its not perfect, I am not seeking perfection but i do want to be entertained. City at times just bore the arse off me and most neutrals. Even City commentators on the City match forum criticise our slow build up play in a lot of our matches.
Interesting you mentioned Spurs, a team that gupped us at our place and came from behind to get a draw when we played them away, a time when they had turned to shite and we were giving away points for fun in the second half of matches

On your point that TV is better than being at the game. It depends if all you want is to see replays and slow Mo's. I can guarantee you that sitting on the 2nd/3rd tiers at the Etihad gives a fantastic real time view of the play and the set up/formation etc, you don't get that view on TV as they follow the ball. I would argue that point all day.

Just because I like to argue - TV doesn’t just ‘follow the ball’ at all !! It actually gives you multiple simultaneous angles that you simply cannot replicate watching it live from your little fucking seat in the stands.
At the stadium, you’re stuck with one fixed angle and that’s if your paying attention fo 90 mins , no matter how good the fucking elevation is, you can’t zoom in on anyone or rewind to see if a foul was really a dive. If something happens at the far end, even in tier 2/3, details get lost without binoculars, and you miss the facial expressions, the precision of passes, or obvious fouls that the broadcast highlights instantly.

Pros and cons on both but you certainly get more detail watching on live TV than in the stands , no matter how much you try to argue otherwise.

All that is true but I rarely see the same panorama on a TV that I get from sitting in the stands. I'm much more of a fan of seeing it in person because you can see the action unfolding, you can see the gaps and spaces on the pitch, and the passes that are on much more than those at home watching on TV. From where I was sitting at home I sure as hell didn't see Valverde making that run for the second goal.

I’m sure you went to watch matches in the Kippax back in the day like me - let’s be honest , we spent most of our time piss taking with the away end more so than watching the match .

I'm a little bit too young for that and I'm not actually sure I ever stood in the Kippax. I think I sat in the Umbro Stand with my dad the seasons before the Kippax was knocked down and then I moved to the new Kippax in 95/6. I don't think I ever went in the old Kippax. I do remember standing up at football matches but it could have been a different ground in Manchester.

But yes the big problem with actually being at the ground is it's not the most comfortable place to have a sleep.

[Mase]

Imagine telling people that can't talk about politics, then bait them into doing so, and then banning them when they do.

Complaining that no one comes on here and then treating fans like that.

What a weird cunt.

[Harry Dowd scored]

Is this just down to incompetence?

Brighton should have been awarded a penalty in their 1-0 loss at home to Arsenal on 4 March, the Premier League's Key Match Incidents (KMI) Panel has said.
It is the third time this season Arsenal have wrongly escaped a VAR penalty in a game they have won by one goal.
The Seagulls were trailing to Bukayo Saka's ninth-minute goal when they pushed forward in the third minute of first-half stoppage time.
After a cross was delivered from the left, Brighton midfielder Mats Wieffer tried to run into the box towards the flight of the ball but was hauled to the ground by Gabriel Martinelli.
Referee Chris Kavanagh allowed play to continue and it was cleared by the video assistant referee (VAR), Michael Salisbury.
Fabian Hurzeler complained to fourth official David Webb and the Brighton boss ended up exchanging words with Mikel Arteta on the touchline.
The Premier League Match Centre wrote on X that the VAR "deemed there was no clear and obvious error".
But the KMI Panel voted 4:1 that a spot-kick should have been awarded on the field, and 3:2 that it was a missed VAR intervention.
The ruling said: "Martinelli is not looking at the ball, holds Weiffer into the area and prevents the Brighton player from challenging for the ball."
Earlier this month the KMI Panel voted 4:1 that Chelsea should have been awarded a penalty against the Gunners for handball by Declan Rice.
Arsenal led 1-0 in the 45th minute when Rice moved his arm to deflect the ball following a corner.
Chelsea did score two minutes later through a Piero Hincapie handball, but went on to lose 2-1.
In December, Everton should have been awarded a penalty for William Saliba's challenge on Thierno Barry. The VAR was Michael Salisbury for that match, too.
There have now been 18 VAR errors logged this season, matching the total for the entire 2024-25 campaign.
From this same gameweek, Leeds United should have been given a penalty in their 1-0 loss at home to Sunderland for Luke O'Nien's holding offence on Pascal Struijk.
The Gunners have had no VAR mistakes against them.

[Wonderwall]

With cup draws and VAR, they have had an enormous slice of luck this season

[Scatman]

Is this just down to incompetence?

Brighton should have been awarded a penalty in their 1-0 loss at home to Arsenal on 4 March, the Premier League's Key Match Incidents (KMI) Panel has said.
It is the third time this season Arsenal have wrongly escaped a VAR penalty in a game they have won by one goal.
The Seagulls were trailing to Bukayo Saka's ninth-minute goal when they pushed forward in the third minute of first-half stoppage time.
After a cross was delivered from the left, Brighton midfielder Mats Wieffer tried to run into the box towards the flight of the ball but was hauled to the ground by Gabriel Martinelli.
Referee Chris Kavanagh allowed play to continue and it was cleared by the video assistant referee (VAR), Michael Salisbury.
Fabian Hurzeler complained to fourth official David Webb and the Brighton boss ended up exchanging words with Mikel Arteta on the touchline.
The Premier League Match Centre wrote on X that the VAR "deemed there was no clear and obvious error".
But the KMI Panel voted 4:1 that a spot-kick should have been awarded on the field, and 3:2 that it was a missed VAR intervention.
The ruling said: "Martinelli is not looking at the ball, holds Weiffer into the area and prevents the Brighton player from challenging for the ball."
Earlier this month the KMI Panel voted 4:1 that Chelsea should have been awarded a penalty against the Gunners for handball by Declan Rice.
Arsenal led 1-0 in the 45th minute when Rice moved his arm to deflect the ball following a corner.
Chelsea did score two minutes later through a Piero Hincapie handball, but went on to lose 2-1.
In December, Everton should have been awarded a penalty for William Saliba's challenge on Thierno Barry. The VAR was Michael Salisbury for that match, too.
There have now been 18 VAR errors logged this season, matching the total for the entire 2024-25 campaign.
From this same gameweek, Leeds United should have been given a penalty in their 1-0 loss at home to Sunderland for Luke O'Nien's holding offence on Pascal Struijk.
The Gunners have had no VAR mistakes against them.

Are you able to say how many VAR mistakes each team has had in their favour this season and how many have gone against them?

[Harry Dowd scored]

Looks like they have a “key match panel” that looks into VAR errors, doesn’t look like they have any powers though.

[nottsblue]

Is this just down to incompetence?

Brighton should have been awarded a penalty in their 1-0 loss at home to Arsenal on 4 March, the Premier League's Key Match Incidents (KMI) Panel has said.
It is the third time this season Arsenal have wrongly escaped a VAR penalty in a game they have won by one goal.
The Seagulls were trailing to Bukayo Saka's ninth-minute goal when they pushed forward in the third minute of first-half stoppage time.
After a cross was delivered from the left, Brighton midfielder Mats Wieffer tried to run into the box towards the flight of the ball but was hauled to the ground by Gabriel Martinelli.
Referee Chris Kavanagh allowed play to continue and it was cleared by the video assistant referee (VAR), Michael Salisbury.
Fabian Hurzeler complained to fourth official David Webb and the Brighton boss ended up exchanging words with Mikel Arteta on the touchline.
The Premier League Match Centre wrote on X that the VAR "deemed there was no clear and obvious error".
But the KMI Panel voted 4:1 that a spot-kick should have been awarded on the field, and 3:2 that it was a missed VAR intervention.
The ruling said: "Martinelli is not looking at the ball, holds Weiffer into the area and prevents the Brighton player from challenging for the ball."
Earlier this month the KMI Panel voted 4:1 that Chelsea should have been awarded a penalty against the Gunners for handball by Declan Rice.
Arsenal led 1-0 in the 45th minute when Rice moved his arm to deflect the ball following a corner.
Chelsea did score two minutes later through a Piero Hincapie handball, but went on to lose 2-1.
In December, Everton should have been awarded a penalty for William Saliba's challenge on Thierno Barry. The VAR was Michael Salisbury for that match, too.
There have now been 18 VAR errors logged this season, matching the total for the entire 2024-25 campaign.
From this same gameweek, Leeds United should have been given a penalty in their 1-0 loss at home to Sunderland for Luke O'Nien's holding offence on Pascal Struijk.
The Gunners have had no VAR mistakes against them.

No HDS, it’s not just incompetence IMO.

Once you can say is an error.
Twice you can raise your eyebrows
Three times is something else

The PL will want Arsenal to win to promote the narrative that a number of teams can win and it’s the best and most competitive league in Europe. So to this end it’s not a big surprise that key decisions at key moments in matches go their way

Remember the old adage that “these things even themselves out over the season” is a pile of shit. Those decisions were in marginal games and could easily have changed the outcome of the game. You might get three against you when you are 3-0 up say, when it doesn’t affect the outcome

Ferguson was one who banged that drum a lot about evening out to try and deflect the howlers refs like Webb used to give them

[ENIAM NAM]

Typical leftie loon - facts hurt.

By the way , my fridge is fucking miles away from my living room so I’m training my Golden retriever to find the fridge and fucking retrieve.

Don't start with the leftie stuff here. That's for off topic. Go and join Mase trying to argue what it means, I think Slim is still waiting for an answer.

You gave your opinion because you're an armchair fan. You don't have a match going opinion apart from remembering when you went 40 years ago. You don't have the ability to agree with another viewpoint or maybe think that it's ok to have an alternative view. You just want to be negative and argue all the time. It's getting very tiresome.

How about you go fuck yourself—and keep going.
Like I said: if my being here annoys you, just hit that little button under your Pep duvet and ban me.
You’re clearly a self-appointed supreme City fan on this forum, and I have zero intention of paying attention to anything you say.
Your move. Press the button or don’t—up to you

Fucking loon.

Press it Wonderwall, fucking press it….

[Scatman]

I think he pressed it last week

[Indianablue]

I think he pressed it last week

Shame if he did. I like Carl. He offers an alternative view and i think Wonderwall talks bollocks at times.
If WW is an admin, i think he overstepped his powers banning someone just because he's had a spat with them

[Scatman]

I think he pressed it last week

Shame if he did. I like Carl. He offers an alternative view and i think Wonderwall talks bollocks at times.
If WW is an admin, i think he overstepped his powers banning someone just because he's had a spat with them

If you haven't seen it in off topic:

http://mancityfans.net/mcfnet/viewtopic.php?f=121&t=58149

[PeterParker]

I think he pressed it last week

Shame if he did. I like Carl. He offers an alternative view and i think Wonderwall talks bollocks at times.
If WW is an admin, i think he overstepped his powers banning someone just because he's had a spat with them

That is why I also opened the thread on the other forum.
Mase was also banned

and I am still waiting a proper answer WW, btw.

[stupot]

I think he pressed it last week

Shame if he did. I like Carl. He offers an alternative view and i think Wonderwall talks bollocks at times.
If WW is an admin, i think he overstepped his powers banning someone just because he's had a spat with them

Have you read Carl's last message to him.
You can have an alternative view without personal obscenities back.
Plenty talk bollocks on here.