Fat Sam Sacked!!!

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Re: Fat Sam Sacked!!!

Postby The Man In Blue » Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:15 am

Am i alone in thinking this is a fucking disgrace? like him or loathe him (i'm in the latter camp), objectively FS would have kept rovers upper mid table no probs. It makes no sense. Ok, you want to sack him before january to get your own man in place to spend your cash? oh no, we may take several months to appoint a new manager. makes no sense.

rovers fans i know are pretty pissed off about this, not so much for sam himself but for the way he was treated and what these chicken peddlers have in store for them.
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Re: Fat Sam Sacked!!!

Postby gillie » Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:27 am

They could end up winning the egg cup!
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Re: Fat Sam Sacked!!!

Postby The Man In Blue » Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:29 am

gillie wrote:They could end up winning the egg cup!


would be a poultry return on their investment imo
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Re: Fat Sam Sacked!!!

Postby Dameerto » Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:06 am

john@staustell wrote:
ant london wrote:the story gets better.....

Blackburn stun fans by claiming Allardyce was sacked over their ambitious plans for the Champions League

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Blackburn Rovers owners' Chairwoman Anurada Desai

Blackburn's under-fire owners have sensationally claimed that Sam Allardyce was sacked because they want a top-four finish - and that they may not appoint a replacement for 'a couple of months'.

Venky’s Group chairman Anuradha Desai has also insisted they want entertaining football at Ewood Park in the aftermath of Allardyce's shock departure on Monday.

'We want good football and Blackburn to be fourth or fifth in the league or even better,' Desai told the Lancashire Telegraph. 'The fans should trust us because this is in the best interests of the club.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... rdyce.html


It's like they've just beamed down from another planet. There are 19 other clubs trying the same fellas. It's not that easy, even after you put in 500 million! We should know.


How the fek can the fans trust them when they have unrealistic expectations? AND when they've just told whoever they appoint that it is temporary. Absolute jokers.
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Re: Fat Sam Sacked!!!

Postby ant london » Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:24 am

The Man In Blue wrote:
gillie wrote:They could end up winning the egg cup!


would be a poultry return on their investment imo



quite a feather in their cap should they pull it off though

no yolk
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Re: Fat Sam Sacked!!!

Postby MaineRoadMemories » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:06 pm

Keeping Kean as manager until the end of the season. All very confusing, plus Samba wants out now.
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Re: Fat Sam Sacked!!!

Postby Chinners » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:18 pm

I wonder if this now means they don't want to take the crocked media gobshite back?
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Re: Fat Sam Sacked!!!

Postby Lev Bronstein » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:33 pm

Interesting article by David Conn in the Gruaniad today. Sorry goes on a bit. But as well as stuff about Rovers, it has some interesting points about us.

"How an agent came to hold so much power at Blackburn Rovers

Does Venky's grand 'vision' involve buying players on the books of Jerome Anderson, the agent who helped broker the takeover?

Jerome Anderson Jerome Anderson is a positive thinker who will believe he can help to deliver Venky's vision for Blackburn. Photograph: Martin Argles for the Guardian

For Blackburn Rovers, as the saying nearly goes, the proof of the poultry will be in the eating. The new Indian owners of the Lancashire club, who sacked Sam Allardyce almost immediately, may be visionaries or they may be undoing a decade of generally admired management since Rovers' benefactor, the local steelman turned Jersey tax exile Jack Walker, died in 2000.

If it feels like the outer limit of Premier League clubs' rush into foreign ownership for Blackburn Rovers to have been taken over by an Indian chicken company – Venkateshwara Hatcheries, or Venky's – it is also clear that Rovers are scampering into an experiment. A substantial, unexpected degree of influence has clearly been entrusted at Ewood Park to the football agent Jerome Anderson, whose company, SEM, which is merged with the Swiss sports rights agency Kentaro, was advising Venky's before they bought Rovers. Anderson, one of English football's longest established and famously hard-working agents, helped introduce Venky's to buy Rovers for £25m from the trustees of Walker's estate, and is advising them now on what to do with it.

For all the heady talk of "our vision" by Anuradha Desai, chair of Venky's, when dismissing Allardyce for not embodying it, she and her two brothers running the chicken business have also admitted to little knowledge of or even interest in football before buying Rovers. The stated vision, of a fifth‑place Premier League finish playing more sparkling football, and hatching a fan base in India, which has provoked widespread scoffs in football, may well have sprung infectiously from Anderson who, an obsessive observer of players and compulsive positive thinker, will believe he can help deliver it.

Rovers sources have denied reports that Allardyce and the new owners clashed over a list of players for the January transfer window, saying discussions never got that far – or took place to any depth at all. Players, including David Dunn and Ryan Nelsen, have talked of shell-shock, a vacuum of communication at the club, and the long-serving chairman, John Williams – widely considered to have run the club solidly with 10 years' limited backing from the Walker trustees – is understood not to have been even consulted over Allardyce, and now to be agonising over whether to stay on.

Steve Kean, the coach promoted into Allardyce's chair, is himself represented by Anderson who, senior football sources say, has for years rated Kean as highly promising. Kean has already disregarded the time-honoured rules of caretaker management diplomacy, which dictate that coaches in his temporary position say they do not want the position full-time, at least at first.

Seasoned pros figured out decades ago that in a workplace as insecure as football they have little chance of being appointed permanently anyway, and if they say they want it, a new manager will see them as rivals-in-waiting and be inclined to cast them aside. A foremost exponent of this art is still to be found at Ewood itself – Tony Parkes, a caretaker between four Rovers managers while never saying he wanted the job, lasted as a Rovers coaching fixture until Mark Hughes arrived in 2004 and decided there was no role for him.

Yet Kean, just Saturday's 1-1 home draw with the Premier League's bottom club, West Ham United, on his managerial CV, said he does want the job full-time – an apparent sign that he is emboldened by having the confidence of Anderson, his agent and adviser to the new owners.

Anderson and Kentaro have been in a similarly influential position with a Premier League club's new overseas owner before – Thaksin Shinawatra, when the former Thai prime minister, accused of corruption and human rights abuses, took over Manchester City in May 2007, certified by the Premier League as "fit and proper". Anderson, working his mobile phone from a dugout in the City of Manchester Stadium, was instrumental in the hiring of Sven-Goran Eriksson to replace Stuart Pearce as manager, and signing eight players, including some notable hits, Elano and Vedran Corluka, along with one or two who did not make it at City – the £8.8m striker Rolando Bianchi returned to Italy after one season.

Anderson can justifiably recall the sunny spirit arisen at City then, as Eriksson's side briefly topped the table and City fans guzzled free noodles laid on by Thaksin in Manchester's Albert Square. Anderson's status as favoured fixer was undermined, however, as Thaksin was persuaded he did not need to pay an agent to sign players, then Kia Joorabchian, Carlos Tevez's adviser, and Pini Zahavi, the prolific transfer intermediary, became close at Eastlands to Thaksin's lieutenant, Pairoj Piempongsant.

If City was a frustrated project for Anderson he will believe he can help improve Blackburn post-Allardyce as another of his clients, Owen Coyle, is transforming Bolton Wanderers. January beckons, and if Desai financially backs signing new players – she has said Kean will make the football decisions – Anderson will fancy his prospects of advising shrewdly. Football will be watching carefully, though, to see whether Blackburn's recruitment includes a roster of SEM clients.

To understand how Rovers, formed in 1875, came to be owned by poultry producers from Pune, two details must be borne in mind. The first is that Walker's trustees funded the club only reluctantly after 2000, then in 2007 put it up for sale. In three years, no solid investor came forward with the required price until Venky's, who have not said how they funded their purchase. Not one British business person looked at 10 years in the top flight, crowds around 22,000, the vaunted global profile as a televised member of the Premier League, and decided the Rovers "brand" looked a sound investment.

The other is to remember Desai's first interview to explain the takeover. She talked not about what Venky's can do for the football club, but what being associated with Premier League fame could do for her company. "I feel that the Venky's brand will get an immediate recognition if we take over this club, and that is the main reason why we are doing this," she said.

Since they took over, the company's financial power has been vastly exaggerated. Reports of a £1bn turnover and £100m profits may have sprung from confusion over multiples of rupees, lakhs (100,000 rupees) and crores (10m rupees). In Venky's (India) Ltd's annual report for 2009-10, last year's turnover is reported as 71,000 lakhs (7.1bn rupees), the pre-tax profit 8,200 lakhs (820m rupees). At yesterday's exchange rate of 0.0143 rupees to the pound, that amounts to a £100m turnover, a £12m profit, about a 10th of what was initially reported.

Not in the billionaire class, then, but healthy, of course, for a company founded in 1971 by Desai's father, Padmashree Dr Banda Vasudev Rao. His vision, reaffirmed in a corporate speech by Desai last June, was: "To see India in the No1 position on the poultry map of the world."

They see buying Blackburn Rovers as a leg on that journey, and January will be key to its direction. Rovers may flounder, as many predict, or the sacking of Allardyce may yet be recognised as proof of the adage, that you cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs."


From the sounds of it BFS was part of the wrong agents network.

I suppose that new owners who are part of the corporate elite just go out and buy "expertise", agents as advisors from the sound of it, and then expect them to get on with it.
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Re: Fat Sam Sacked!!!

Postby The Man In Blue » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:37 pm

good read that Lev, nice one.
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Re: Fat Sam Sacked!!!

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:30 pm

So basically they've gambled Blackburn's future on this Steve Kean bloke. Interesting to see what happens if he goes on a losing run.
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Re: Fat Sam Sacked!!!

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:36 pm

Looks like Sam's been stabbed in the back and that's why they aren't looking for an immediate replacement. Anderson is getting his claw's into them just like he did with us and probably sealed Sam's fate.

It'll be good to see them get into the CL with the reported 5 mil; Kean may as well change is name to Paul Daniels - 'That's Magic'!
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Re: Fat Sam Sacked!!!

Postby Goataldo » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:45 pm

I don't particularly like Blackburn but that article is sickening reading.
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