Milner - Ireland

[Goaters 103]

I bet Villa would like the deal back as Ireland is as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

Milner will come good, and hasn't been as bad as some on here would have you believe. Given the choice of the two I'd take Milner 100 times out of a 100, as he's a more reliable consistent player. Ireland is a complete basket case and prime example of a one season wonder - his other 5 seasons have been inconsistent, anonynous or complete tosh. Milner also wont go whining to the press, sulk, refuse to track back, go missing in big games, or need a psychiatrist or his back slapped and told how wonderful he is every 10 minutes.

[Ted Hughes]

De Jong was playing in a new league. Milner isn't, he just looks like he is.

We're too quick to judge new signings. There's been a thread on each of them with a percentage of people writing them off. I've seen players in the past, better than Milner will ever be, playing a lot worse than him in his 1st half season.

Agree that we are way too quick to judge new signings but the amount of time taken to settle needs to be related to the amount of Prem experience and the age of the player. Anyone writing off Boateng or Balotelli at this stage is a fool but Milner has been playing in the Prem for eight years so should be able to perform well really quickly. He may simply be unsuited to our style of play. Hopefully he can adjust and become an asset.

It's possible he may turn out to be incapable of doing the job but so far he's been asked to fill a variety of jobs & often played several positions in the same game. He's not had a run of games in one job. The fact that Mancini has trusted him to do that, so early in his career, suggests that he sees Milner as an important player. Personally I'll wait 'til this time next season & see how he's rated then. If he's still struggling then he'll probably be on his bike. I have a feeling we'll be seeing a very different player by then though.

[Moonchesteri]

I think he will come good. Just like Lescott last year, poor at first but found his form later (before he got injured?).

Anyway, he will find his form but even at his best he will not be the star player/performer in the team but more like one of those unsung heroes who put in a good shift week in week out.

[john@staustell]

Those who aren't playing quite so well dont get in the starting eleven. But the squad is much stronger for having people like Milner and Lescott to come in than Ireland, Gelson or Kelvin fuckin Etuhu.

Every big signing doesn't have to set the world alight every week. It strengthens the whole. Cant believe so many people still basically think we need eleven players and everyone who cant make that is shite/useless/waste of space etc.

[mcfc1632]

If you had the chance to go back to August and cancel the deal entirely, would you?????

Im not an Ireland lover but i just dont see what Milner has improved in our squad. He dosent even have the excuse of not playing in the Prem League before. Hopefully he can improve quickly and show us it was worth all the hassle. Liverpool at home is the only cracking game i can think of him having.

Are you shitting me?

Milner is twice the player Ireland is...even if he isn't the strongest link in our team

Ireland was a one season wonder who has since been found out

You'll be telling us how good Bojinov was for us next...

I am with you - we are so very fortunate - more so than any other PL club to be able to afford a top top squad with some world class players - so you need players - Zab is the perfect example - that will accept a squad approach and give 100% when they are given the chance - whatever position they are asked to play in - we can only afford just so many 'automatic selections'

Milner does not whine - he does try hard (I know that he has nto been outstanding - just steady) when given the chance etc

Stevie was becoming an increasingly disruptive influence and his performances were simply not up to it

So for me - I would most certainly not reverse the deal

[superkev8705]

If you had the chance to go back to August and cancel the deal entirely, would you?????

Im not an Ireland lover but i just dont see what Milner has improved in our squad. He dosent even have the excuse of not playing in the Prem League before. Hopefully he can improve quickly and show us it was worth all the hassle. Liverpool at home is the only cracking game i can think of him having.

Are you shitting me?

Milner is twice the player Ireland is...even if he isn't the strongest link in our team

Ireland was a one season wonder who has since been found out

You'll be telling us how good Bojinov was for us next...

I am with you - we are so very fortunate - more so than any other PL club to be able to afford a top top squad with some world class players - so you need players - Zab is the perfect example - that will accept a squad approach and give 100% when they are given the chance - whatever position they are asked to play in - we can only afford just so many 'automatic selections'

Milner does not whine - he does try hard (I know that he has nto been outstanding - just steady) when given the chance etc

Stevie was becoming an increasingly disruptive influence and his performances were simply not up to it

So for me - I would most certainly not reverse the deal

Its all well and good giving 100% but i wouldnt mind a player that can make a pass that actually reaches a team mate. He must of given the ball away so many times in the time he has played. I think he will get better fingers crossed, someone else mentioned about him going from a kick and rush side into a footballing side so hopefully he will adjust soon. We need him to perform around now as well due to the amount of games in a short space of time.

[Mase]

Forget them both! I just want Joey back!!

[Ted Hughes]

If you had the chance to go back to August and cancel the deal entirely, would you?????

Im not an Ireland lover but i just dont see what Milner has improved in our squad. He dosent even have the excuse of not playing in the Prem League before. Hopefully he can improve quickly and show us it was worth all the hassle. Liverpool at home is the only cracking game i can think of him having.

Are you shitting me?

Milner is twice the player Ireland is...even if he isn't the strongest link in our team

Ireland was a one season wonder who has since been found out

You'll be telling us how good Bojinov was for us next...

I am with you - we are so very fortunate - more so than any other PL club to be able to afford a top top squad with some world class players - so you need players - Zab is the perfect example - that will accept a squad approach and give 100% when they are given the chance - whatever position they are asked to play in - we can only afford just so many 'automatic selections'

Milner does not whine - he does try hard (I know that he has nto been outstanding - just steady) when given the chance etc

Stevie was becoming an increasingly disruptive influence and his performances were simply not up to it

So for me - I would most certainly not reverse the deal

Its all well and good giving 100% but i wouldnt mind a player that can make a pass that actually reaches a team mate. He must of given the ball away so many times in the time he has played. I think he will get better fingers crossed, someone else mentioned about him going from a kick and rush side into a footballing side so hopefully he will adjust soon. We need him to perform around now as well due to the amount of games in a short space of time.

I'd be very surprised if Milner's pass sucess rate at his new club is as bad as Ireland's but I suppose, once again, there'll be special circumstances for Ireland's being shite.

[craigmcfc]

Milners' best game for us was without doubt his debut against Liverpool. Since then it's been a downhill trend but I have faith that he will suddenly click back into last seasons' form before long. New team, different formation, different tactics have all played a part but ultimately he needs to find his best and quickly because at some point the team will move on without him

[Fidel Castro]

He simply isn't a winger.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

It's Christmas, I will try and do a huge effort To help a limited understanding...

Do You want Your Club to be managed by this Clever Person?

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dir ... sow-270226

Do You remember the ol' good days when a WUM thread suddenly used to appear on Bluemoon forum, almost quite every time the "WORLD BEATER" You love so much had been taken out of the starting eleven?

Or do You prefer the ol' good days when a FUCKTARD used to gift the derby to the Salford's side You appear to hate so much, just because - in his bright mind - it seemed to be the easiest way to put the bullet through the manager?

You know what, I probably shouldn't say this myself but I think I'm pretty clever lad. Perhaps not the brightest mind world has ever produced but very much capable of holding my own in many dicussions covering fairly wide range of subjects. Yet I still have no clue what you are trying to tell me. I do appreciate your "huge effort" to help my limited understanding though.

Here are some of the things that I don't understand:
Where have I said I want Stephen Ireland managing City?
I read Bluemoon only occasionally, so I would have no idea about topics that used to appear in their site. What makes you think I'd have any idea? And what do such topics have got to do with discussion over which player has performaed better?
Who tried to put "bullet through manager"? Some frequent contributor in Bluemoon? Stephen Ireland? Me? You?

[Ted Hughes]

It's Christmas, I will try and do a huge effort To help a limited understanding...

Do You want Your Club to be managed by this Clever Person?

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dir ... sow-270226

Do You remember the ol' good days when a WUM thread suddenly used to appear on Bluemoon forum, almost quite every time the "WORLD BEATER" You love so much had been taken out of the starting eleven?

Or do You prefer the ol' good days when a FUCKTARD used to gift the derby to the Salford's side You appear to hate so much, just because - in his bright mind - it seemed to be the easiest way to put the bullet through the manager?

You know what, I probably shouldn't say this myself but I think I'm pretty clever lad. Perhaps not the brightest mind world has ever produced but very much capable of holding my own in many dicussions covering fairly wide range of subjects. Yet I still have no clue what you are trying to tell me. I do appreciate your "huge effort" to help my limited understanding though.

Here are some of the things that I don't understand:
Where have I said I want Stephen Ireland managing City?
I read Bluemoon only occasionally, so I would have no idea about topics that used to appear in their site. What makes you think I'd have any idea? And what do such topics have got to do with discussion over which player has performaed better?
Who tried to put "bullet through manager"? Some frequent contributor in Bluemoon? Stephen Ireland? Me? You?

I think Mancio is suggesting that Ireland was a shit stirrer, who used his mates who post on Bluemoon, to start disruptive rumours & get everyone arguing & generally kicking off about 'problems behind the scenes' when he wasn't in the team.

I think he's also suggesting that he let Scholes score that goal in the derby hoping it would help get Bob sacked.

I disagree with him on the 2nd; Ireland is just a little shit who didn't care enough to catch up with Scholes. I agre with him on the 1st though; Ireland is a dreadful shit stirrer who fed rumours to his mates.

[Mase]

It's Christmas, I will try and do a huge effort To help a limited understanding...

Do You want Your Club to be managed by this Clever Person?

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dir ... sow-270226

Do You remember the ol' good days when a WUM thread suddenly used to appear on Bluemoon forum, almost quite every time the "WORLD BEATER" You love so much had been taken out of the starting eleven?

Or do You prefer the ol' good days when a FUCKTARD used to gift the derby to the Salford's side You appear to hate so much, just because - in his bright mind - it seemed to be the easiest way to put the bullet through the manager?

You know what, I probably shouldn't say this myself but I think I'm pretty clever lad. Perhaps not the brightest mind world has ever produced but very much capable of holding my own in many dicussions covering fairly wide range of subjects. Yet I still have no clue what you are trying to tell me. I do appreciate your "huge effort" to help my limited understanding though.

Here are some of the things that I don't understand:
Where have I said I want Stephen Ireland managing City?
I read Bluemoon only occasionally, so I would have no idea about topics that used to appear in their site. What makes you think I'd have any idea? And what do such topics have got to do with discussion over which player has performaed better?
Who tried to put "bullet through manager"? Some frequent contributor in Bluemoon? Stephen Ireland? Me? You?

I think Mancio is suggesting that Ireland was a shit stirrer, who used his mates who post on Bluemoon, to start disruptive rumours & get everyone arguing & generally kicking off about 'problems behind the scenes' when he wasn't in the team.

I think he's also suggesting that he let Scholes score that goal in the derby hoping it would help get Bob sacked.

I disagree with him on the 2nd; Ireland is just a little shit who didn't care enough to catch up with Scholes. I agre with him on the 1st though; Ireland is a dreadful shit stirrer who fed rumours to his mates.

Seriously?? I thought he was saying that I was right to buy the Honda Civic and not the Dodge Caliber.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

It's Christmas, I will try and do a huge effort To help a limited understanding...

Do You want Your Club to be managed by this Clever Person?

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dir ... sow-270226

Do You remember the ol' good days when a WUM thread suddenly used to appear on Bluemoon forum, almost quite every time the "WORLD BEATER" You love so much had been taken out of the starting eleven?

Or do You prefer the ol' good days when a FUCKTARD used to gift the derby to the Salford's side You appear to hate so much, just because - in his bright mind - it seemed to be the easiest way to put the bullet through the manager?

You know what, I probably shouldn't say this myself but I think I'm pretty clever lad. Perhaps not the brightest mind world has ever produced but very much capable of holding my own in many dicussions covering fairly wide range of subjects. Yet I still have no clue what you are trying to tell me. I do appreciate your "huge effort" to help my limited understanding though.

Here are some of the things that I don't understand:
Where have I said I want Stephen Ireland managing City?
I read Bluemoon only occasionally, so I would have no idea about topics that used to appear in their site. What makes you think I'd have any idea? And what do such topics have got to do with discussion over which player has performaed better?
Who tried to put "bullet through manager"? Some frequent contributor in Bluemoon? Stephen Ireland? Me? You?

I think Mancio is suggesting that Ireland was a shit stirrer, who used his mates who post on Bluemoon, to start disruptive rumours & get everyone arguing & generally kicking off about 'problems behind the scenes' when he wasn't in the team.

I think he's also suggesting that he let Scholes score that goal in the derby hoping it would help get Bob sacked.

I disagree with him on the 2nd; Ireland is just a little shit who didn't care enough to catch up with Scholes. I agre with him on the 1st though; Ireland is a dreadful shit stirrer who fed rumours to his mates.

Oh, right. That'd make sense.

I have no idea about his mates posting shit in Bluemoon but then again I wouldn't be surprised either.

I don't think he didn't mark Scholes properly in purpose. Ireland lost him and stopped running after him as he seemed to think it wasn't going to turn into goal. Which it obviously did.

This topic is about which would've/has contributed more and I stand by my opinion. There's really not that much between them. Which one I think would be more likely to succeed for us? At this stage definitely Milner. But he needs to step up his game and start contributing more especially in attacking third.

And just for the record, I hold no grudge towards Stevie. Sure he said some things he shouldn't have said but he was product of our own system and player I enjoyed watching. I wish him nothing but good in his career. Also, he was very dedicated in his charity work with children and I will always have time for people who put something back to community.

[Arjan Van Schotte]

It's up to Bobby to get the best out of Milner and find a place for him in the team. He proved last year that when deployed correctly and given a consistent run he is up there with the best in the league.

I don't think the chopping and changing of positions and lack of a run in the team are helping him one bit.

Harsh to have a go at the lad. He's a solid player who gives 100% every week, we need this type of player in the squad and Bobby needs to figure out how to get the best out of him.

very true - good post. milner is a far better team player than ireland who could be a genius on rare occasions. i refer m'lud to the answer given 3 or 4 years ago :) ireland is not a PL player. (although i did doubt myself a year or 2 ago) haha

[Swales4ever]

It's Christmas, I will try and do a huge effort To help a limited understanding...

Do You want Your Club to be managed by this Clever Person?

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dir ... sow-270226

Do You remember the ol' good days when a WUM thread suddenly used to appear on Bluemoon forum, almost quite every time the "WORLD BEATER" You love so much had been taken out of the starting eleven?

Or do You prefer the ol' good days when a FUCKTARD used to gift the derby to the Salford's side You appear to hate so much, just because - in his bright mind - it seemed to be the easiest way to put the bullet through the manager?

You know what, I probably shouldn't say this myself but I think I'm pretty clever lad. Perhaps not the brightest mind world has ever produced but very much capable of holding my own in many dicussions covering fairly wide range of subjects. Yet I still have no clue what you are trying to tell me. I do appreciate your "huge effort" to help my limited understanding though.

Here are some of the things that I don't understand:
Where have I said I want Stephen Ireland managing City?
I read Bluemoon only occasionally, so I would have no idea about topics that used to appear in their site. What makes you think I'd have any idea? And what do such topics have got to do with discussion over which player has performaed better?
Who tried to put "bullet through manager"? Some frequent contributor in Bluemoon? Stephen Ireland? Me? You?

Frankly I cannot be arsed anymore to find out whether You are a pretender or actually You have a low I.Q.
Definitely it is not a problem of mine.
Just for sake of good order: my ego in the most depressive day of my life will always be bigger than Yours in the day You won the only success of Your life. Believe me: it's simply not a match.
The only question should be: where is the point in awarding the status of "Moderator" to a renowned WUM???
Anyway, Happy Christmas and all my sincere wishes for the forthcoming fatherhood.

[craigmcfc]

Mancio - Antti maybe antagonistic, stubborn and a downright pain in the butt on odd occasions but he most definitely is not a WUM. The rest of your post leaves me in the dark, especially - "my ego in the most depressive day of my life will always be bigger than Yours in the day You won the only success of Your life"

What?

[Original Dub]

He simply isn't a winger.

Exactly.

I haven't been overly impressed with him, but I also haven't thought he was shit at any time.

Young Player of the Year last season, so he'll be an important player for us once he settles into his new role here. Its not always about whether you have already played in the league before. Its about how you settle into what your role and/or position is at your new club.

He'll probably never be spectacular for us, but if he becomes our "fletcher" then that's fine by me.

All the cogs of a well run machine are important and some of those will not shine quite like the others.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

It's Christmas, I will try and do a huge effort To help a limited understanding...

Do You want Your Club to be managed by this Clever Person?

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dir ... sow-270226

Do You remember the ol' good days when a WUM thread suddenly used to appear on Bluemoon forum, almost quite every time the "WORLD BEATER" You love so much had been taken out of the starting eleven?

Or do You prefer the ol' good days when a FUCKTARD used to gift the derby to the Salford's side You appear to hate so much, just because - in his bright mind - it seemed to be the easiest way to put the bullet through the manager?

You know what, I probably shouldn't say this myself but I think I'm pretty clever lad. Perhaps not the brightest mind world has ever produced but very much capable of holding my own in many dicussions covering fairly wide range of subjects. Yet I still have no clue what you are trying to tell me. I do appreciate your "huge effort" to help my limited understanding though.

Here are some of the things that I don't understand:
Where have I said I want Stephen Ireland managing City?
I read Bluemoon only occasionally, so I would have no idea about topics that used to appear in their site. What makes you think I'd have any idea? And what do such topics have got to do with discussion over which player has performaed better?
Who tried to put "bullet through manager"? Some frequent contributor in Bluemoon? Stephen Ireland? Me? You?

Frankly I cannot be arsed anymore to find out whether You are a pretender or actually You have a low I.Q.
Definitely it is not a problem of mine.
Just for sake of good order: my ego in the most depressive day of my life will always be bigger than Yours in the day You won the only success of Your life. Believe me: it's simply not a match.
The only question should be: where is the point in awarding the status of "Moderator" to a renowned WUM???
Anyway, Happy Christmas and all my sincere wishes for the forthcoming fatherhood.

I can honestly say I haven't been this confused since I had a dream about Cybill Shepard giving me a blowjob when I was twelve.

[Socrates]

Frankly I cannot be arsed anymore to find out whether You are a pretender or actually You have a low I.Q.
Definitely it is not a problem of mine.
Just for sake of good order: my ego in the most depressive day of my life will always be bigger than Yours in the day You won the only success of Your life. Believe me: it's simply not a match.
The only question should be: where is the point in awarding the status of "Moderator" to a renowned WUM???
Anyway, Happy Christmas and all my sincere wishes for the forthcoming fatherhood.

I can honestly say I haven't been this confused since I had a dream about Cybill Shepard giving me a blowjob when I was twelve.

You only had that dream last week though ;o) Or was it Bruce Willis that time?

Can you 2 stop knocking lumps out of each other please, you are 2 of my absolute favourite people on here and you both agree with me most of the time so can't have that much to disagree about with each other! I'm putting it down to the translation from Finnglish to Italian and think you both should too.