Yaya's Stamina

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Re: Yaya's Stamina

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:21 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
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Ted Hughes wrote: He's already under threat from Dzeko who can play behind Tevez if needed.

I think it will more easily be the opposite, Dzeko playing up front and Carlos in the hole behind him.


That's the obvious choice but if Bob wants a big bloke playing a bit behind the striker, Dzeko can play there no problem.


Quinn - Rosler fashion? Quite possible. Although I still think it'll be Tevez playing behind Dzeko or even wide right.


I should imagine you're right on both counts but I wouldn't be surprised if Bob at least tries it during games. I think we may see Dzeko swapping positions with Balotelli on the left side too, like he's sometimes done with Jo. With Dzeko being two footed, I suppose he could also be moved to the right side sometimes too, like Balotelli.
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Re: Yaya's Stamina

Postby Florida Blue » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:16 pm

Spur wrote:Yaya is sure not at the fitness level that we would like, but his contribution is immense. When he picks up the ball inside our half and proceeds to run at them, he leaves opposition players in his wake , lost . How can he improve ? Two ways : run those laps till it hurts and pace himself for the demands of 90 minutes in premier league. He's a winner and he will get even better.
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Welcome to the board mate. I agree with this, especially without Silva playing. As far as I can tell when Silva is not on the pitch our only option isto have Tevez or Yaya come deep and get the ball and start the counter.
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Re: Yaya's Stamina

Postby the_georgian_genius » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:14 pm

It seems we have alot of amateur fitness coaches in this thread.

All the comments such as "it's a joke", "it's embarrasing" are a joke and embrassing.

27 and a professional footballer or not, he is a human being, he isn't a robot.

Firstly, he has just played 4 games over a 10 day period which are all high intensity for the first time in his professional career in a league where it is so fast and frantic to the laid back walking pace league he has been used to for the last 3 years.

Secondly, you watch a 100m race and you see those super fit athletes blow after a 100m sprint. Now you times that by two or three times in the game plus running between 8km-13km for 90 mins then you will find them blowing aswell because they are human beings.

Footballers aren't robots, those runs that he does are tiring, but they are worth it.
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Re: Yaya's Stamina

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:48 pm

the_georgian_genius wrote:It seems we have alot of amateur fitness coaches in this thread.

All the comments such as "it's a joke", "it's embarrasing" are a joke and embrassing.

27 and a professional footballer or not, he is a human being, he isn't a robot.

Firstly, he has just played 4 games over a 10 day period which are all high intensity for the first time in his professional career in a league where it is so fast and frantic to the laid back walking pace league he has been used to for the last 3 years.

Secondly, you watch a 100m race and you see those super fit athletes blow after a 100m sprint. Now you times that by two or three times in the game plus running between 8km-13km for 90 mins then you will find them blowing aswell because they are human beings.

Footballers aren't robots, those runs that he does are tiring, but they are worth it.



Tend to agree. I'd rather see him beat all the opposition twice over and scare em, than play a simple pass and be fit at the end of the game.
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Re: Yaya's Stamina

Postby Florida Blue » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:56 pm

the_georgian_genius wrote:It seems we have alot of amateur fitness coaches in this thread.

All the comments such as "it's a joke", "it's embarrasing" are a joke and embrassing.

27 and a professional footballer or not, he is a human being, he isn't a robot.

Firstly, he has just played 4 games over a 10 day period which are all high intensity for the first time in his professional career in a league where it is so fast and frantic to the laid back walking pace league he has been used to for the last 3 years.

Secondly, you watch a 100m race and you see those super fit athletes blow after a 100m sprint. Now you times that by two or three times in the game plus running between 8km-13km for 90 mins then you will find them blowing aswell because they are human beings.

Footballers aren't robots, those runs that he does are tiring, but they are worth it.


Well stated mate. And as a non-amateur fitness coach what you say is true. I will not bore anyone with details, but there is only so much energy one can burn in a 90 minute period, and only so much that can be replenished when you really only have a 15 minute half time to recover. Your body only really has sugars and fats to burn, once they are depleted muscle is all that the body has left to burn, and it just is not a good source of energy. So players, no matter how fit they are are going to hit a wall at some point no matter what. Yaya, runs 2/3 of the pitch most of the game, and at a sprint. She is not a small person, so there is only so much he can do before it shows late in the match.
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Re: Yaya's Stamina

Postby King Kev » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:07 am

Florida Blue wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:It seems we have alot of amateur fitness coaches in this thread.

All the comments such as "it's a joke", "it's embarrasing" are a joke and embrassing.

27 and a professional footballer or not, he is a human being, he isn't a robot.

Firstly, he has just played 4 games over a 10 day period which are all high intensity for the first time in his professional career in a league where it is so fast and frantic to the laid back walking pace league he has been used to for the last 3 years.

Secondly, you watch a 100m race and you see those super fit athletes blow after a 100m sprint. Now you times that by two or three times in the game plus running between 8km-13km for 90 mins then you will find them blowing aswell because they are human beings.

Footballers aren't robots, those runs that he does are tiring, but they are worth it.


Well stated mate. And as a non-amateur fitness coach what you say is true. I will not bore anyone with details, but there is only so much energy one can burn in a 90 minute period, and only so much that can be replenished when you really only have a 15 minute half time to recover. Your body only really has sugars and fats to burn, once they are depleted muscle is all that the body has left to burn, and it just is not a good source of energy. So players, no matter how fit they are are going to hit a wall at some point no matter what. Yaya, runs 2/3 of the pitch most of the game, and at a sprint. She is not a small person, so there is only so much he can do before it shows late in the match.

How come players like Tevez and Silva seem to have perpetual motion then??

Would this theory translate into other sports? Ice Hockey for example? Would a big defence man be expected to have less ice time than a small winger because he is carrying more weight and so has less stamina?

Let's have it right, Yaya covers a fraction of the distance that some of our players do and these 'bursts' that people keep going on about last about 6 seconds each and rarely number more than 3 per game.
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Re: Yaya's Stamina

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:08 am

true enough FB but i think these things are comparative - we don't see zab or barry or milner et al hunched over coz they made a run - it''s the whole "fuck that - am avin a rest" thing that annoys people i think.
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Re: Yaya's Stamina

Postby King Kev » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:08 am

Florida Blue wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:It seems we have alot of amateur fitness coaches in this thread.

All the comments such as "it's a joke", "it's embarrasing" are a joke and embrassing.

27 and a professional footballer or not, he is a human being, he isn't a robot.

Firstly, he has just played 4 games over a 10 day period which are all high intensity for the first time in his professional career in a league where it is so fast and frantic to the laid back walking pace league he has been used to for the last 3 years.

Secondly, you watch a 100m race and you see those super fit athletes blow after a 100m sprint. Now you times that by two or three times in the game plus running between 8km-13km for 90 mins then you will find them blowing aswell because they are human beings.

Footballers aren't robots, those runs that he does are tiring, but they are worth it.


Well stated mate. And as a non-amateur fitness coach what you say is true. I will not bore anyone with details, but there is only so much energy one can burn in a 90 minute period, and only so much that can be replenished when you really only have a 15 minute half time to recover. Your body only really has sugars and fats to burn, once they are depleted muscle is all that the body has left to burn, and it just is not a good source of energy. So players, no matter how fit they are are going to hit a wall at some point no matter what. Yaya, runs 2/3 of the pitch most of the game, and at a sprint. She is not a small person, so there is only so much he can do before it shows late in the match.

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Re: Yaya's Stamina

Postby Florida Blue » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:04 pm

King Kev wrote:
Florida Blue wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:It seems we have alot of amateur fitness coaches in this thread.

All the comments such as "it's a joke", "it's embarrasing" are a joke and embrassing.

27 and a professional footballer or not, he is a human being, he isn't a robot.

Firstly, he has just played 4 games over a 10 day period which are all high intensity for the first time in his professional career in a league where it is so fast and frantic to the laid back walking pace league he has been used to for the last 3 years.

Secondly, you watch a 100m race and you see those super fit athletes blow after a 100m sprint. Now you times that by two or three times in the game plus running between 8km-13km for 90 mins then you will find them blowing aswell because they are human beings.

Footballers aren't robots, those runs that he does are tiring, but they are worth it.





Well stated mate. And as a non-amateur fitness coach what you say is true. I will not bore anyone with details, but there is only so much energy one can burn in a 90 minute period, and only so much that can be replenished when you really only have a 15 minute half time to recover. Your body only really has sugars and fats to burn, once they are depleted muscle is all that the body has left to burn, and it just is not a good source of energy. So players, no matter how fit they are are going to hit a wall at some point no matter what. Yaya, runs 2/3 of the pitch most of the game, and at a sprint. She is not a small person, so there is only so much he can do before it shows late in the match.

How come players like Tevez and Silva seem to have perpetual motion then??

Would this theory translate into other sports? Ice Hockey for example? Would a big defence man be expected to have less ice time than a small winger because he is carrying more weight and so has less stamina?

Let's have it right, Yaya covers a fraction of the distance that some of our players do and these 'bursts' that people keep going on about last about 6 seconds each and rarely number more than 3 per game.




First off, sadly the "she" was a typo....

As for Silva and Tevez versus Yaya. You are talking two people that are 7 inches shorter and several stones lighter, you might think it is all relative but it is not. Think about the additional force Yaya must have to apply to overcome the same wind or forces. Quite a bit more surface area. Also, people have a predisposition to have better endurance, it just is what it is.

As for your hockey analogy, with the exception of a rushing defenseman, they really do not skate at the pace and distance a forward does. Look at Zdeno Chara, he is 6'7, but he doesn't skate as much, and on a smaller scale, think about home many strides he has to take versus a much smaller player to cover distance.

I am not saying Yaya if in the best shape, but there are many factors based on being 6'3 that come into play.
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Re: Yaya's Stamina

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:18 pm

Arjan Van Schotte wrote:true enough FB but i think these things are comparative - we don't see zab or barry or milner et al hunched over coz they made a run - it''s the whole "fuck that - am avin a rest" thing that annoys people i think.


exactly.

It's all well and good in sunday league game, after all nighter, to go on a 'mazy run', lose the ball and say ' fuck it, I'm having a fag now, rest of those bastards can defend'. But you'd expect top professional footballer to at least look like he is in top shape.
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Re: Yaya's Stamina

Postby Nigels Tackle » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:27 pm

didn't see him having any issues today....
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