Bellamy

[Slim]

fuck it, you may as well lock the topic.

If saying that Bellamy would have been a fantastic option to have now compares to Sibierski or Ireland after he went downhill rapidly, then I fucking give up.

You bunch of fucking retards.

Was a very small hill to begin with.

[Beefymcfc]

fuck it, you may as well lock the topic.

If saying that Bellamy would have been a fantastic option to have now compares to Sibierski or Ireland after he went downhill rapidly, then I fucking give up.

You bunch of fucking retards.

Was a very small hill to begin with.

From small hills, mighty mountains grow.

[Slim]

fuck it, you may as well lock the topic.

If saying that Bellamy would have been a fantastic option to have now compares to Sibierski or Ireland after he went downhill rapidly, then I fucking give up.

You bunch of fucking retards.

Was a very small hill to begin with.

From small hills, mighty mountains grow.

Does that actually fool the ladies around your way?

[Mikhail Chigorin]

When the opposition gives you no space it's because you aren't stretching them to create it, right? it takes two to tango, and you know this game better than me, don't you?

cheers[/quote]

No, we weren't stretching Villa because their defensive line was so deep we couldn't get behind them. There simply was no space space behind the line. Now this is something we have been struggling throughout Mancini's time with us. When opposition completely closes the shop.

There are two ways around this. A) you start crossing the ball like motherfucker and get loads of people in the box to win the heeaders OR B) you start cracking some decent shots from distance, as close to defensive line as possible. In ideal scenario you mix those two (putting low crosses to someone on the edge of the box when everyone is in six yard expecting high cross is cracking move in this situation for example). What you do NOT want to do is run, run and run trying to go through that meatwall. And THAT is what Bellamy does best.

Quote from Niall Quinn's Disco Pants

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This assessment of NQDP's is, IMHO, the most pertinent in this entire thread. When people start extolling the virtues of pace/pure pace/bistering pace etc etc I find it most tiresome and largely avoids the issue of what we do when a side comes, to Eastlands, to defend in numbers at the edge of the box (which seems to have caused us the most trouble at home). All 'through' balls and balls 'over the top' for the pace merchants to run onto, merely end up in the goalkeeper's gloves.

In fact, if pure pace/blistering pace was so out and out desirable and was 100% workable for 100% of the time, you could take it to the ultimate conclusion and play something like a 4-3-3 formation, with three defensive midfielders winning the ball and then banging it forward long, for three rocket assisted roadrunners, up front, to run onto. In such a system you wouldn't need any guile in midfield, no David Silvas etc, as we would be bypassing midfield completely (with the added bonus of saving on the high wages of artistic players no longer needed). Job done:- a sort of exciting (or not) and sophisticated (or not) kick and rush style.

Hang on a second though, where's the Plan B, in case the opposition has nippy defenders and doesn't allow space for the roadrunners to run onto ?? Well, one of the three front runners (what an abject description) doesn't have to be an out and out pace merchant; no, he could be a six foot plus centre forward and he could get his head to all the long balls hoofed up by the midfield defenders. He wouldn't need to be skillful on the ground because the ball would be in the air all the time and he could nod the ball onwards for the other two pacey front runners to run onto. However, this is where it gets excitingly flexible; the centre forward could actually knock the ball downwards for team mates to run onto. Phew........hang on though, aren't the three players who could run onto the knock downs those same three defensive midfielders who have knocked it up long for the big No 9 in the first place ?? On that basis, in order to get forward to receive the knock downs, one or two of theses defensive midfielders need to be 'box to box' players with oodles of pace to be able to get forward quick enough. In order to assist this , it would be helpful if we had defenders who were good at hoofing the ball forward as well, so that the 'box to boxers' had a bit of a start by being able to be further forward.

This is all very logical and sounds just like a Big Fat Sam side, which could eveolve from believing in out and out pace to the exclusion of all else.

I'd much rather have the side trying to play like Barcelona with all players irrespective of their positions having excellent ball control in tight situations, passing skills, artistry, guile and patience. A side that breaks down the opposition's massed defence by imagination and guile, coupled with good shooting and intelligent movement in and around the box, much in the same way as NQDP was saying in the above post.

Pace is useful in certain situations, especially quickness and alertness over the first five yards or so, but it's not the be all and end all of football life.

Just my own opininions for what they're worth..........rant over

[Bridge'srightfoot]

What a stupid comment.
No one is saying pace alone is enough but it certainly helps. Not only did bellamy have pace but he had fantastic ability to match it. I'd argue he was the best winger in the league last season and he had the ability to cause any fullback problems.

Defenders hate playing against pace and we have no one with blistering pace. It is a necessity in modern day football.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

What a stupid comment.
No one is sayign pace alone is enough but it certainly helps. Not only did bellamy have pace but he had fantastic ability to match it. I'd argue he was the best winger in the league last season and he had the ability to cause any fullback problems.

Defenders hate playing against pace and we have no one with blistering pace. It is a necessity in modern day football.

Don't agree with a single word you've written there, but they're your opinions and your entitled to them.

[Beefymcfc]

Ahhhhhh.

[youtube]7vv2zXBuFc8[/youtube]

[Bridge'srightfoot]

What a stupid comment.
No one is sayign pace alone is enough but it certainly helps. Not only did bellamy have pace but he had fantastic ability to match it. I'd argue he was the best winger in the league last season and he had the ability to cause any fullback problems.

Defenders hate playing against pace and we have no one with blistering pace. It is a necessity in modern day football.

Don't agree with a single word you've written there, but they're your opinions and your entitled to them.

Not a single word?
So Bellamy didn't have any pace?
You're telling me he wasn't one of the league's best wingers?
What so defenders love playing against rapid wingers?
Oh and tell me who currently do we have with blistering pace?

Come on, I want answers

[Original Dub]

What a stupid comment.
No one is sayign pace alone is enough but it certainly helps. Not only did bellamy have pace but he had fantastic ability to match it. I'd argue he was the best winger in the league last season and he had the ability to cause any fullback problems.

Defenders hate playing against pace and we have no one with blistering pace. It is a necessity in modern day football.

Don't agree with a single word you've written there, but they're your opinions and your entitled to them.

Not a single word?
So Bellamy didn't have any pace?
You're telling me he wasn't one of the league's best wingers?
What so defenders love playing against rapid wingers?
Oh and tell me who currently do we have with blistering pace?

Come on, I want answers

I think this Mikhail fella's a bit mad mate - how the fuck can you "not agree" with what you said???!

[Ted Hughes]

Ahhhhhh.

[youtube]7vv2zXBuFc8[/youtube]

Interesting that quite a few of those goals are nothing to do with pace, just a nice body swerve & the ability to shoot with both feet. Just the kind of ability Bob trys to sign now. Bizarre & tragic decision.

[carl_feedthegoat]

[youtube]KWHobZRuFIk[/youtube]

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

[youtube]KWHobZRuFIk[/youtube]

HAHA

[lets all have a disco]

On that Bellamy video 42 seconds in, 'Theyve come back from two down to lead three two'

Ahhhhhhh

[Mikhail Chigorin]

What a stupid comment.
No one is sayign pace alone is enough but it certainly helps. Not only did bellamy have pace but he had fantastic ability to match it. I'd argue he was the best winger in the league last season and he had the ability to cause any fullback problems.

Defenders hate playing against pace and we have no one with blistering pace. It is a necessity in modern day football.

Don't agree with a single word you've written there, but they're your opinions and your entitled to them.

Not a single word?
So Bellamy didn't have any pace?
You're telling me he wasn't one of the league's best wingers?
What so defenders love playing against rapid wingers?
Oh and tell me who currently do we have with blistering pace?

Come on, I want answers

I think this Mikhail fella's a bit mad mate - how the fuck can you "not agree" with what you said???!

Oh well, as they say; it takes one to know one.

Have a nice day

[Bridge'srightfoot]

What a stupid comment.
No one is sayign pace alone is enough but it certainly helps. Not only did bellamy have pace but he had fantastic ability to match it. I'd argue he was the best winger in the league last season and he had the ability to cause any fullback problems.

Defenders hate playing against pace and we have no one with blistering pace. It is a necessity in modern day football.

Don't agree with a single word you've written there, but they're your opinions and your entitled to them.

Not a single word?
So Bellamy didn't have any pace?
You're telling me he wasn't one of the league's best wingers?
What so defenders love playing against rapid wingers?
Oh and tell me who currently do we have with blistering pace?

Come on, I want answers

I think this Mikhail fella's a bit mad mate - how the fuck can you "not agree" with what you said???!

Oh well, as they say; it takes one to know one.

Have a nice day

You still didn't answer me. You said you didn't agree with anything I put, I put things :

"So Bellamy didn't have any pace?
You're telling me he wasn't one of the league's best wingers?
What so defenders love playing against rapid wingers?
Oh and tell me who currently do we have with blistering pace?"

you are yet to answer any of these.

[Original Dub]

What a stupid comment.
No one is sayign pace alone is enough but it certainly helps. Not only did bellamy have pace but he had fantastic ability to match it. I'd argue he was the best winger in the league last season and he had the ability to cause any fullback problems.

Defenders hate playing against pace and we have no one with blistering pace. It is a necessity in modern day football.

Don't agree with a single word you've written there, but they're your opinions and your entitled to them.

Not a single word?
So Bellamy didn't have any pace?
You're telling me he wasn't one of the league's best wingers?
What so defenders love playing against rapid wingers?
Oh and tell me who currently do we have with blistering pace?

Come on, I want answers

I think this Mikhail fella's a bit mad mate - how the fuck can you "not agree" with what you said???!

Oh well, as they say; it takes one to know one.

Have a nice day

What a come back.

I see you still haven't pointed out reasons for why you disagreed with FACTS?

Fucking lunatic.

[BobKowalski]

Good player with a bit of pace when his knees ain't giving him gyp. Upside: Would have been useful as an impact sub at times Downside: Mouthy git which people confuse for 'passion' and has a tendency to slip off into 'Bellamy World' oh and Manager thinks he's a twat * Result: Shipped out and replaced with better players.

* Being a twat not necessarily a problem for Mancini but you have to something special to make it worth his while.

The End.

Well at least until we lose again in which case this thread will be revisited although in an attempt to forestall this resuscitation I would like to point out that picking away at the Bellamy issue is going to change nothing. He ain't coming back. We have already had one miracle comeback with Jo so the odds on another are fucking slime to none. Unless its a gay thing in which case be my guest and campaign to bring back the Welsh One from exile.

[Original Dub]

Good player with a bit of pace when his knees ain't giving him gyp. Upside: Would have been useful as an impact sub at times Downside: Mouthy git which people confuse for 'passion' and has a tendency to slip off into 'Bellamy World' oh and Manager thinks he's a twat * Result: Shipped out and replaced with better players.

* Being a twat not necessarily a problem for Mancini but you have to something special to make it worth his while.

The End.

Well at least until we lose again in which case this thread will be revisited although in an attempt to forestall this resuscitation I would like to point out that picking away at the Bellamy issue is going to change nothing. He ain't coming back. We have already had one miracle comeback with Jo so the odds on another are fucking slime to none. Unless its a gay thing in which case be my guest and campaign to bring back the Welsh One from exile.

What a strange post.

We could do with pace. Bellamy fit the bill nicely.

Not replacing that pace was a mistake and is the essence of this thread that you happened to COMPLETELY miss.
I don't understand why you tried to make it a sexual thing.

Like I said, very strange.

[BobKowalski]

Good player with a bit of pace when his knees ain't giving him gyp. Upside: Would have been useful as an impact sub at times Downside: Mouthy git which people confuse for 'passion' and has a tendency to slip off into 'Bellamy World' oh and Manager thinks he's a twat * Result: Shipped out and replaced with better players.

* Being a twat not necessarily a problem for Mancini but you have to something special to make it worth his while.

The End.

Well at least until we lose again in which case this thread will be revisited although in an attempt to forestall this resuscitation I would like to point out that picking away at the Bellamy issue is going to change nothing. He ain't coming back. We have already had one miracle comeback with Jo so the odds on another are fucking slime to none. Unless its a gay thing in which case be my guest and campaign to bring back the Welsh One from exile.

What a strange post.

We could do with pace. Bellamy fit the bill nicely.

Not replacing that pace was a mistake and is the essence of this thread that you happened to COMPLETELY miss.
I don't understand why you tried to make it a sexual thing.

Like I said, very strange.

Thank you.

I guess the thread was just too pacey for me which was why I missed it.

As for the sex thing my bad. I thought I was posting on chapsinleather.com. On the upside and as a consequence of my confusion there is now an interesting debate on chapsinleather.com about Bellamy and where he would fit into the fluid dynamic of a 4-2-3-1 and the merits or otherwise of his pace in such a formation as opposed to a standard 4-4-2. They also want to know if anyone has his telephone number and if he likes soapy showers.

[Original Dub]

Good player with a bit of pace when his knees ain't giving him gyp. Upside: Would have been useful as an impact sub at times Downside: Mouthy git which people confuse for 'passion' and has a tendency to slip off into 'Bellamy World' oh and Manager thinks he's a twat * Result: Shipped out and replaced with better players.

* Being a twat not necessarily a problem for Mancini but you have to something special to make it worth his while.

The End.

Well at least until we lose again in which case this thread will be revisited although in an attempt to forestall this resuscitation I would like to point out that picking away at the Bellamy issue is going to change nothing. He ain't coming back. We have already had one miracle comeback with Jo so the odds on another are fucking slime to none. Unless its a gay thing in which case be my guest and campaign to bring back the Welsh One from exile.

What a strange post.

We could do with pace. Bellamy fit the bill nicely.

Not replacing that pace was a mistake and is the essence of this thread that you happened to COMPLETELY miss.
I don't understand why you tried to make it a sexual thing.

Like I said, very strange.

Thank you.

I guess the thread was just too pacey for me which was why I missed it.

As for the sex thing my bad. I thought I was posting on chapsinleather.com. On the upside and as a consequence of my confusion there is now an interesting debate on chapsinleather.com about Bellamy and where he would fit into the fluid dynamic of a 4-2-3-1 and the merits or otherwise of his pace in such a formation as opposed to a standard 4-4-2. They also want to know if anyone has his telephone number and if he likes soapy showers.

The thread wasn't too pacey for you, it would seem you just wanted to be funny.

My bad, I'm in fucking stitches now after your second attempt.

:) See, I even smiled.