Joe Hart - Europe's Number 1

[ant london]

according to the Castrol UEFA player rankings

One for Rag Hater this as, much as I do think Joe has had a tremendous year I have to question the integrity of a statistics based ranking system where Joe is number one (this is fine in theory....) BUT Heureleo Gomes is 15th....in front of Iker Casillas (17th) and Pepe Reina (20th).

http://cn.castrolfootball.com/rankings/ ... omp=#label

this is where I picked it up....good blog entry

http://thisisfutbol.com/2011/04/blogs/i ... ier-league?

The Premier League plays host to a number of a top class goalkeepers from all around the world. According to the Castrol rankings, however, Manchester City’s Joe Hart is the number one goalkeeper playing in Europe. The Castrol Ranking system seeks to give a ‘definitive answer’ on who the top performers are throughout Europe through the use of the latest technology and a team of well-equipped data-analysts. They track every touch of the ball and adjudicate whether the player in question has had a positive or negative influence upon the game.

Given the amount of time and effort that’s spent collating the data, the Castrol Ranking system has to be given some credence. Joe Hart’s had a fantastic season and is one of the best goalkeepers in the Premier League, but are the lads working for Castrol right to suggest that he’s the very best European football has to offer?

Statistical analysis and data handling is one thing, but there’s also something to be said for gut instinct and the importance of things that can’t be covered in statistics. Data, for instance, can’t capture how well a keeper marshals their defence, how much confidence he inspires in the back-four and whether he’s a good motivator both on and off the pitch.

Given that the Castrol Ranking System judges Edwin van der Sar to be only the fourth best keeper in Europe at the moment, behind Hart, Idriss Carlos Kameni and Christian Abbiati, I’d say that something has to be amiss. That just doesn’t seem right to me. On what basis can we say that Hart has had a better season between the sticks than Van der Sar?

Whilst I’d certainly put Joe Hart up there with the likes of Edwin van der Sar, Petr Cech and Pepe Reina, he’s got some way to go until he’s the undisputed number one goalkeeper in the Premier League and Europe. I doubt for instance that any Manchester United fan would have been too keen to swap Van der Sar with Joe Hart on a season-long basis.

Naturally every fan brings bias to the proceedings in some way or another. I’m neither a City nor a United fan, but I can’t help but feel it’s wrong to favour Hart over Van der Sar. Perhaps this is merely a result of Van der Sar’s career coming to an end, whilst Hart’s career is just beginning to take off. Whether or not he’s the best in Europe as things currently stand, Hart has a huge career ahead of him and could well go on to become a City legend.

[Chinners]

Joe didn't get in the Prem team of the season so obviously he's not Number 1 even in his own league let alone the whole of Europe

[kinkylola]

they're trying to quantify who is performing the best in the league ... not necessarily who is "the best" GK. So, first thing you would look at if you were coming up with a list like that would be cleansheets ... then you'd probably look at saves vs. goals conceded, stuff along those lines. I don't think it's so far fetched to think that the stats say Joe is having the best season performance wise. I don't think he's the best GK in the world, not at this point anyway, but he may very well have the best stats ... which is what they are saying. If I understand correctly that is.

[DoomMerchant]

where's our fucking Andie on this list goddammit?

just sayin

[Trueblue]

While I agree Joe is having a good season and you can't fault him as a shot stopper, before he can be compared to Europes elite, he needs to do some serious work on his distribution.
If the stats were to compare this 'important' part of a keepers game I fear Joe would come out near the bottom. I've lost count in games where under no particular pressure he just launches it out of play or at best to an opposing player. Last night was no different.
This is a regular frustrating part of his game that so far has not been addressed even after 9 months in the first team.
Before everybody says he is only young etc etc . . . this is currently the England choice no.1 with the best coaching staff he could have,
so why is this allowed to carry on ?

[sandman]

While I agree Joe is having a good season and you can't fault him as a shot stopper, before he can be compared to Europes elite, he needs to do some serious work on his distribution.
If the stats were to compare this 'important' part of a keepers game I fear Joe would come out near the bottom. I've lost count in games where under no particular pressure he just launches it out of play or at best to an opposing player. Last night was no different.
This is a regular frustrating part of his game that so far has not been addressed even after 9 months in the first team.
Before everybody says he is only young etc etc . . . this is currently the England choice no.1 with the best coaching staff he could have,
so why is this allowed to carry on ?

Spot on... Top keeper with one BIG flaw!

[Rag_hater]

according to the Castrol UEFA player rankings

One for Rag Hater this as, much as I do think Joe has had a tremendous year I have to question the integrity of a statistics based ranking system where Joe is number one (this is fine in theory....) BUT Heureleo Gomes is 15th....in front of Iker Casillas (17th) and Pepe Reina (20th).

http://cn.castrolfootball.com/rankings/ ... omp=#label

this is where I picked it up....good blog entry

http://thisisfutbol.com/2011/04/blogs/i ... ier-league?

The Premier League plays host to a number of a top class goalkeepers from all around the world. According to the Castrol rankings, however, Manchester City’s Joe Hart is the number one goalkeeper playing in Europe. The Castrol Ranking system seeks to give a ‘definitive answer’ on who the top performers are throughout Europe through the use of the latest technology and a team of well-equipped data-analysts. They track every touch of the ball and adjudicate whether the player in question has had a positive or negative influence upon the game.

Given the amount of time and effort that’s spent collating the data, the Castrol Ranking system has to be given some credence. Joe Hart’s had a fantastic season and is one of the best goalkeepers in the Premier League, but are the lads working for Castrol right to suggest that he’s the very best European football has to offer?

Statistical analysis and data handling is one thing, but there’s also something to be said for gut instinct and the importance of things that can’t be covered in statistics. Data, for instance, can’t capture how well a keeper marshals their defence, how much confidence he inspires in the back-four and whether he’s a good motivator both on and off the pitch.

Given that the Castrol Ranking System judges Edwin van der Sar to be only the fourth best keeper in Europe at the moment, behind Hart, Idriss Carlos Kameni and Christian Abbiati, I’d say that something has to be amiss. That just doesn’t seem right to me. On what basis can we say that Hart has had a better season between the sticks than Van der Sar?

Whilst I’d certainly put Joe Hart up there with the likes of Edwin van der Sar, Petr Cech and Pepe Reina, he’s got some way to go until he’s the undisputed number one goalkeeper in the Premier League and Europe. I doubt for instance that any Manchester United fan would have been too keen to swap Van der Sar with Joe Hart on a season-long basis.

Naturally every fan brings bias to the proceedings in some way or another. I’m neither a City nor a United fan, but I can’t help but feel it’s wrong to favour Hart over Van der Sar. Perhaps this is merely a result of Van der Sar’s career coming to an end, whilst Hart’s career is just beginning to take off. Whether or not he’s the best in Europe as things currently stand, Hart has a huge career ahead of him and could well go on to become a City legend.

What Kinky says is IMO correct and to some extent what you say is aswell.
And as he says if Joe is top of the charts in the criteria that Castrol are using what is the point of dismissing them if your only going to use them as a source of information.
Obviously there are things that they measure that you may think paint far from a full picture.
The point still stands though,in certain things our Joe is better in stuff that can be measured.

[1664agreatyear]

watching Neuer tonight ,i would say he could be the best in Europe.

[brite blu sky]

where's our fucking Andie on this list goddammit?

just sayin

She was second for most of the season and then dropped right out of the rankings for some reason not that long ago. Shame really I thought she had a bit of promise.