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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby Lev Bronstein » Mon May 23, 2011 9:14 am

When you think about it, Chelsea have been poor for a good part of the season. Once we beat them in autumn they seemed to fall apart, then got it back together, after a fashion. But generally, they've looked like a team in decline with an aging squad struggling to reach earlier heights and few, if any, ready made replacements in the wings. All in all, a disappointing season.

How much of this is down to Ancelotti is anyone's guess. But, no matter how much can be laid at Abramivic's door, Carlo has to burden some responsibilty.

You'd like to think that the Sheikh would be a bit more patient should City not do as well next year. However, if that was the case, the higher management would have to make a cold, and accurate assessment of the manager and do what's best for the club.
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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Mon May 23, 2011 9:26 am

Ted Hughes wrote:Abramovic has made only one mistake in sacking a manager imo & that is with Mourinho. His mistake with the others has been appointing them in the 1st place as they do fuck all other than send out what's left of Mourinho's team & occasionally tinker with it thus fucking it up. The best performances are when Mourinho's team is allowed to play in the formation it used to play in, with the players who used to play in it.

Hiddink is the only manager who's had the side looking of a similar standard to when Mourinho was there.


This on all accounts.

Sacking Mourinho was massive disaster. All the managers that have come in since were poor appointments to begin with and have just been giving flock a dead horse that's the squad Mourinho built.

The fact that they STILL need Lampard to perform in order for that side to tick tells that there has been no evolution whatsoever since Mourinho left.

They NEED Hiddink if they even think about being competitive AND they need to spend money to rebuild that team.
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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby Wooders » Mon May 23, 2011 9:54 am

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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby dazby » Mon May 23, 2011 12:59 pm

Absolute craziness. What a terrible decision by Abram. Roma will win the league with him at the helm next season.
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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon May 23, 2011 1:04 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
Dameerto wrote:
Avalon wrote:
Hiddink has denied this several times in the past already, including recently. It's media tribe. The only relation Hiddink has with Abramovich is that Hiddink was the manager of Russia and they get on well. The only reason Hiddink took over Chelsea was to help Abramovich. Hiddink has stated many times in the past, he's focused on Turkey at the moment.


Taken from the BBC:
Dutchman Hiddink, who has a close relationship with Abramovich, revealed he still has an advisory role at Stamford Bridge.

"Since I left two years ago I've been advising the club on things concerning the squad," he wrote in De Telegraaf on Saturday.

"Sometimes I become a sounding board. It costs me very little time and I can combine it well with my position with Turkey. There is no conflict at all."

I wonder if he advised them on sacking Ancelotti?


The biggest mistake Chelsea made this season was sacking Wilkins. It took them a long time to get over him leaving and that period handed United the title. I wonder who it was who sacked him?



If losing the football genius of Ray Wilkins causes such upheaval it begs the question; what does Ancelotti do? Imo the answer is; fuck all.

But that's the Chelsea way isn't it. Whoever is there is just a puppet for RA, he gives the manager the rules, the manager then just shows face.
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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby CityFanFromRome » Mon May 23, 2011 2:01 pm

dazby wrote:Absolute craziness. What a terrible decision by Abram. Roma will win the league with him at the helm next season.

Would love that, but sadly I don't think he'll go to Roma; he seems to have put the reaching of Champions League as a necessary condition, and Roma failed to get that. However he then said he's even ready to go to West Ham, which are definitely not in the CL, so he puzzles me. unless he really loves England I don't see why he would go to West Ham in the Championship but not to Roma with the new American owners and fresh cash to spend...
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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby Renato_CTID » Mon May 23, 2011 2:12 pm

dazby wrote:Absolute craziness. What a terrible decision by Abram. Roma will win the league with him at the helm next season.


Disagree with you, mate! Carlo is now an old Italian divorced rich sportsman, miles far from the young talented manager who won everything at AC Milan! And Giallorossi actually are a true financial enigma. Their next chairman? An American Ashton!
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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby bigblue » Mon May 23, 2011 3:15 pm

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Jesus, I'm having flashbacks to MGMT 101. Didn't think anyone actually took all those bullshit pseudonyms seriously. But yeah, stability is key. Players need to know whose boss, and exactly how to play. Changing things up undermines the whole structure of the club.
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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Mon May 23, 2011 3:16 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:Abramovic has made only one mistake in sacking a manager imo & that is with Mourinho. His mistake with the others has been appointing them in the 1st place as they do fuck all other than send out what's left of Mourinho's team & occasionally tinker with it thus fucking it up. The best performances are when Mourinho's team is allowed to play in the formation it used to play in, with the players who used to play in it.

Hiddink is the only manager who's had the side looking of a similar standard to when Mourinho was there.


You dont fuck with a Russian OLIGARCH mate....they are an arrogant race and even the common peasant Russian is a cunt with an attitude so imagine a Russian cunt with billions in the bank.......if he feels insulted he will fuck you.....like he did do with Mourinho.......and they will not get on a phone to say sorry.pmsl.
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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby Renato_CTID » Mon May 23, 2011 3:23 pm

Gus Hiddink would be the best option for Chelski. He knows all of Drogba and company at Stamford Bridge and don't forget how brilliant should be a management with Gianfranco Zola!
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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby DoomMerchant » Mon May 23, 2011 3:25 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
Dameerto wrote:
Avalon wrote:
Hiddink has denied this several times in the past already, including recently. It's media tribe. The only relation Hiddink has with Abramovich is that Hiddink was the manager of Russia and they get on well. The only reason Hiddink took over Chelsea was to help Abramovich. Hiddink has stated many times in the past, he's focused on Turkey at the moment.


Taken from the BBC:
Dutchman Hiddink, who has a close relationship with Abramovich, revealed he still has an advisory role at Stamford Bridge.

"Since I left two years ago I've been advising the club on things concerning the squad," he wrote in De Telegraaf on Saturday.

"Sometimes I become a sounding board. It costs me very little time and I can combine it well with my position with Turkey. There is no conflict at all."

I wonder if he advised them on sacking Ancelotti?


The biggest mistake Chelsea made this season was sacking Wilkins. It took them a long time to get over him leaving and that period handed United the title. I wonder who it was who sacked him?



If losing the football genius of Ray Wilkins causes such upheaval it begs the question; what does Ancelotti do? Imo the answer is; fuck all.


Grant proved that to be the case, didn't he? one JT slip away from a CL winner's medal for standing around looking like a character in a Jean-Paul Sartre short story.

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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Mon May 23, 2011 4:18 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:Abramovic has made only one mistake in sacking a manager imo & that is with Mourinho. His mistake with the others has been appointing them in the 1st place as they do fuck all other than send out what's left of Mourinho's team & occasionally tinker with it thus fucking it up. The best performances are when Mourinho's team is allowed to play in the formation it used to play in, with the players who used to play in it.

Hiddink is the only manager who's had the side looking of a similar standard to when Mourinho was there.


You dont fuck with a Russian OLIGARCH mate....they are an arrogant race and even the common peasant Russian is a cunt with an attitude so imagine a Russian cunt with billions in the bank.......if he feels insulted he will fuck you.....like he did do with Mourinho.......and they will not get on a phone to say sorry.pmsl.


It's the fucking thruth. Every single Russian I've ever met have been fucking arrogant. I met some alright Russian exchange students in university but even they were arrogant. Oh and Russians have no idea how to wait for their turn. You see loads of Russian tourists in central Helsinki and if you stand in line in a shop waiting to pay for something, they just walk casually by you. Reckon it has something to do with Soviet era and having to stand in line for everything. What do you think having lived there?

Also, imo Roman is soft sack of shite compared to most Russian oligarchs. I mean, half of them would have Ancellotti's head hanging from Stamford Bridge gate at this stage. I don't think paying compensation is something they are accustomed to. That's not how they roll.
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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Mon May 23, 2011 5:09 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:Abramovic has made only one mistake in sacking a manager imo & that is with Mourinho. His mistake with the others has been appointing them in the 1st place as they do fuck all other than send out what's left of Mourinho's team & occasionally tinker with it thus fucking it up. The best performances are when Mourinho's team is allowed to play in the formation it used to play in, with the players who used to play in it.

Hiddink is the only manager who's had the side looking of a similar standard to when Mourinho was there.


You dont fuck with a Russian OLIGARCH mate....they are an arrogant race and even the common peasant Russian is a cunt with an attitude so imagine a Russian cunt with billions in the bank.......if he feels insulted he will fuck you.....like he did do with Mourinho.......and they will not get on a phone to say sorry.pmsl.


It's the fucking thruth. Every single Russian I've ever met have been fucking arrogant. I met some alright Russian exchange students in university but even they were arrogant. Oh and Russians have no idea how to wait for their turn. You see loads of Russian tourists in central Helsinki and if you stand in line in a shop waiting to pay for something, they just walk casually by you. Reckon it has something to do with Soviet era and having to stand in line for everything. What do you think having lived there?

Also, imo Roman is soft sack of shite compared to most Russian oligarchs. I mean, half of them would have Ancellotti's head hanging from Stamford Bridge gate at this stage. I don't think paying compensation is something they are accustomed to. That's not how they roll.


I tell you when I lived there (2 years) I fucking hated them.......you go into a supermarket and being nice is not an option as they just look at you like you were shit on a shoe......I would walk in and say.."Hag....give me one of them...da....fucking da.....and one of them..da..you old miserable hag (my mrs was cringing at my side but fuck being nice to these miserable cunts) and one of them too....da da you are an ugly little fuckpig arnt you...fuckyou very much" and Id leave...I used to come out with those lines on a regular basis...horrible people.

I did the polite British Thank you, yes please, ect ect and it went down like a lead balloon.....with these cunts you have to grunt to get a decent reaction..............

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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby Goaters 103 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:51 am

Avalon wrote:
Goaters 103 wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Hope it's not our Bob they have in mind as replacement.


They couldnt afford him
They couldnt afford him
They couldnt afford him

Hiddink is the new manager, put your money on. Old team with Drogba, Anelka, Terry, Fat Frank, Malouda, Cashley and Essien all north side of or touching 30 - big rebuilding job on.


Hiddink has denied this several times in the past already, including recently. It's media tribe. The only relation Hiddink has with Abramovich is that Hiddink was the manager of Russia and they get on well. The only reason Hiddink took over Chelsea was to help Abramovich. Hiddink has stated many times in the past, he's focused on Turkey at the moment.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13665584.stm
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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby Avalon » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:04 am

Goaters 103 wrote:
Avalon wrote:
Goaters 103 wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Hope it's not our Bob they have in mind as replacement.


They couldnt afford him
They couldnt afford him
They couldnt afford him

Hiddink is the new manager, put your money on. Old team with Drogba, Anelka, Terry, Fat Frank, Malouda, Cashley and Essien all north side of or touching 30 - big rebuilding job on.


Hiddink has denied this several times in the past already, including recently. It's media tribe. The only relation Hiddink has with Abramovich is that Hiddink was the manager of Russia and they get on well. The only reason Hiddink took over Chelsea was to help Abramovich. Hiddink has stated many times in the past, he's focused on Turkey at the moment.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13665584.stm


Always a cute trick; dig up previous comments, just to "prove a point." Don't worry, I have seen all the latest media in England and decided to Google Translate some Dutch websites

from www.nu.nl:

BRUSSELS - Guus Hiddink can not guarantee that he is still head coach in September in Turkey. The 64-year-old Dutchman continued Friday following the draw in the European Championship qualifier against Belgium (1-1) vague about his future.


© AP

Hiddink is strongly linked with Chelsea, which is looking for a successor to Carlo Ancelotti.

The Achterhoeker got the press conference whether he was on Sept. 2 against Kazakhstan still on the bench in Turkey.






Hiddink said that unable to guarantee. ''I'm not currently in that position. I always like to be very clear. I can formally say that I still have a contract until 2012.''

The Dutchman would leave a clause in his contract with the Turkish federation have. ''If there is something to discuss, we can always talk. This is a very short but clear answer''said Hiddink.

That was posted today. Gotta love the diffirence in journalism. English media: he is definitely signing for Chelsea. Dutch media: "I'm not sure, we'll have to talk about things first."

He has said for years he wasn't interested in club football, even when he temporarily took over at Chelsea. This is a fact. He might have changed his opinion now, which is what people do in the natural course of life, just like how you didn't like eggs when you were a kid and suddenly you do. So, in all likelyhood, he might have had a change of heart. However, nothing is a guarantee, as it is made out to be in the English media.
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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby Dameerto » Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:41 pm

Avalon wrote:Always a cute trick; dig up previous comments, just to "prove a point." Don't worry, I have seen all the latest media in England and decided to Google Translate some Dutch websites

from http://www.nu.nl:

BRUSSELS - Guus Hiddink can not guarantee that he is still head coach in September in Turkey. The 64-year-old Dutchman continued Friday following the draw in the European Championship qualifier against Belgium (1-1) vague about his future.


© AP

Hiddink is strongly linked with Chelsea, which is looking for a successor to Carlo Ancelotti.

The Achterhoeker got the press conference whether he was on Sept. 2 against Kazakhstan still on the bench in Turkey.






Hiddink said that unable to guarantee. ''I'm not currently in that position. I always like to be very clear. I can formally say that I still have a contract until 2012.''

The Dutchman would leave a clause in his contract with the Turkish federation have. ''If there is something to discuss, we can always talk. This is a very short but clear answer''said Hiddink.

That was posted today. Gotta love the diffirence in journalism. English media: he is definitely signing for Chelsea. Dutch media: "I'm not sure, we'll have to talk about things first."

He has said for years he wasn't interested in club football, even when he temporarily took over at Chelsea. This is a fact. He might have changed his opinion now, which is what people do in the natural course of life, just like how you didn't like eggs when you were a kid and suddenly you do. So, in all likelyhood, he might have had a change of heart. However, nothing is a guarantee, as it is made out to be in the English media.



I think that's the key sentance - to me it sounds like a 'Google translate' fucl up for "The Dutchman has a clause in his contract with the Turkish FA allowing him to leave."
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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby Goaters 103 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:34 pm

Dameerto wrote:
Avalon wrote:Always a cute trick; dig up previous comments, just to "prove a point." Don't worry, I have seen all the latest media in England and decided to Google Translate some Dutch websites

from http://www.nu.nl:

BRUSSELS - Guus Hiddink can not guarantee that he is still head coach in September in Turkey. The 64-year-old Dutchman continued Friday following the draw in the European Championship qualifier against Belgium (1-1) vague about his future.


© AP

Hiddink is strongly linked with Chelsea, which is looking for a successor to Carlo Ancelotti.

The Achterhoeker got the press conference whether he was on Sept. 2 against Kazakhstan still on the bench in Turkey.






Hiddink said that unable to guarantee. ''I'm not currently in that position. I always like to be very clear. I can formally say that I still have a contract until 2012.''

The Dutchman would leave a clause in his contract with the Turkish federation have. ''If there is something to discuss, we can always talk. This is a very short but clear answer''said Hiddink.

That was posted today. Gotta love the diffirence in journalism. English media: he is definitely signing for Chelsea. Dutch media: "I'm not sure, we'll have to talk about things first."

He has said for years he wasn't interested in club football, even when he temporarily took over at Chelsea. This is a fact. He might have changed his opinion now, which is what people do in the natural course of life, just like how you didn't like eggs when you were a kid and suddenly you do. So, in all likelyhood, he might have had a change of heart. However, nothing is a guarantee, as it is made out to be in the English media.



I think that's the key sentance - to me it sounds like a 'Google translate' fucl up for "The Dutchman has a clause in his contract with the Turkish FA allowing him to leave."


Very true. And the refusal of some to accept the bleedin obvious as well.
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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby dazby » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:05 pm

This is how Hiddink operates. He always plays hard to get. He builds the desire for his services from the fans so that when he does come he's like a messiah and gets a long long honeymoon period.
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Re: Celski sacks Ancelotti

Postby Avalon » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:59 am

Dameerto wrote:I think that's the key sentance - to me it sounds like a 'Google translate' fucl up for "The Dutchman has a clause in his contract with the Turkish FA allowing him to leave."


Sounds like it, however, I'm just repeating what Hiddink and his agent have been saying for years, which started back when he was managing South Korea and Australia, as well as Russia when he took over Chelsea temporarily.

Anyway, I'm just pointing out the fact that in England the media are saying he's coming, whereas in the Netherlands, the reports are still "possibly." The most likely scenario would be that he'd resign from his Turkey job if they fail to qualify.

dazby wrote:This is how Hiddink operates. He always plays hard to get. He builds the desire for his services from the fans so that when he does come he's like a messiah and gets a long long honeymoon period.


Probably because he liked the attention he got after getting South Korea to the semis. He's worshipped there.
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