***sheep shaggers vs city official match thread***

[Ted Hughes]

Totally agree with Ted. Fernandino was anonymous(let Ya Ya have it said Cardiff, he'll take forever). But I have noticed that he can't tackle which is perplexing. Both Milner and Rodwell look more suited to holding to me.But ofcourse one is bound to be a bit worried ifwe are out thought by Malki Mc Kay. If Fern is meant to do the carrying job why not tell the rest of them to pass to him occasionally, they were queuing up to pass it six yards to Ya Ya who did a passable imitation of Nige. I really do think the most pressing task for the manager is to find a way of motivating Ya Ya in a roll that makes more use of his ability - he's been playing at 30% for ages.

Neither Yaya, nor Fernadinho are 'holding' midfield players.

I said after the Newcastle game, that had we been playing someone like Dortmund, we would have been mugged at the back, with big daft cbs plus Yaya etc in that area, farting around with the ball, then potentially losing it.

Imo what we saw today was just a weak imitation of what could happen, as we had most of the possession. It could get much worse than this. The set piece problems can be solved by organisation, but the defenive system needs everyone at it, if it is to work.

IF, we had the energy to play a proper pressing game & didn't give the oppo time on the ball, then the lack of a screen in front of the cbs wouldn't be so crucial. But if we had given Arsenal or Chelsea the freedom Cardiff had today, the result would have been much worse.

[twosips]

The amount of slagging off Lescott gets baffles me. I just don't get it. He was easily the best of our defence today and wasn't culpable for anything serious at all. Couple of stray passes and slipped once, but nothing major. He was the only one actually properly defending at times. The rest were all over the fucking show.

Calling Fernandinho a holding midfielder is like calling Ramires one. He isn't and never will be. A two man mid of Yaya and Fernandinho is always going to concede chances sadly. Barry isn't past it and annoyingly he would have made a huge difference today.

[Ted Hughes]

The amount of slagging off Lescott gets baffles me. I just don't get it. He was easily the best of our defence today and wasn't culpable for anything serious at all. Couple of stray passes and slipped once, but nothing major. He was the only one actually properly defending at times. The rest were all over the fucking show.

Calling Fernandinho a holding midfielder is like calling Ramires one. He isn't and never will be. A two man mid of Yaya and Fernandinho is always going to concede chances sadly. Barry isn't past it and annoyingly he would have made a huge difference today.

If he is past it, then we need another one.

Either way, Fernandinho doesn't do that job, & Yaya has been directly involved in quite a few of the goals that knocked us out of the Champions League, two years running.

That's one of te problems you get when changing managers though; they often make the same mistakes as the previous one until they learn for themselves.

[DoomMerchant]

The amount of slagging off Lescott gets baffles me. I just don't get it. He was easily the best of our defence today and wasn't culpable for anything serious at all. Couple of stray passes and slipped once, but nothing major. He was the only one actually properly defending at times. The rest were all over the fucking show.

Calling Fernandinho a holding midfielder is like calling Ramires one. He isn't and never will be. A two man mid of Yaya and Fernandinho is always going to concede chances sadly. Barry isn't past it and annoyingly he would have made a huge difference today.

If he is past it, then we need another one.

Either way, Fernandinho doesn't do that job, & Yaya has been directly involved in quite a few of the goals that knocked us out of the Champions League, two years running.

That's one of te problems you get when changing managers though; they often make the same mistakes as the previous one until they learn for themselves.

i read a great quote today by a novelist who said something like "the problem with studio executives who want to make a movie from your book is that they have all these great ideas about your story, and they don't realize that as a writer you've already thought of all of them over the 8 months it took you to write your story, and picked the best options."

i think we can expect the Count to fuck up more in the next few months...new league, new players....this is why people didn't want to chop and change. i think he'll be fine if these people get their act together and play like they fucking have something to prove. Today Yaya was maybe my worst example, but Hart and Nasri were right up there for me as well. Hard to stomach.

[TheReturnOfTheSpecialOne]

i read a great quote today by a novelist who said something like "the problem with studio executives who want to make a movie from your book is that they have all these great ideas about your story, and they don't realize that as a writer you've already thought of all of them over the 8 months it took you to write your story, and picked the best options."

I can vouch for that, although no studio is as yet looking to take up the option rights for my first novel

[TheReturnOfTheSpecialOne]

I've only just now had the opportunity to watch the entire game. We didn't play that badly, especially in the first half and although the shots on target stats were poor, Silva - in particular - was particularly busy, and was unfortunate not to score or set up any goals, prior to doing so for Dzeko's.

Just some random observations:

1). Three particularly heavy touches by Ya Ya, in quick succession in the first half, where previously you'd expect him to be right on the money, and could otherwise have set up Navas and Dzeko

2). Fernandinho was anonymous as an attacking force

3). Ya Ya seemed to be assigned the role of central-midfield 'orchestrator', and he made no forward surges of any significance; in fact you could probably draw a long narrow oblong shape joining from just beyond the defensive and offensive extremities of the centre-circle and you would find that he didn't move outside its borders, other than for corners.

4). Clichy did look good going forward, and interacted well with Silva, but I don't recall him delivering a cross to any telling effect

5). Lescott our best defender - and I again maintain that his passing has continued to improve; Garcia wasn't as bad as people were making him out to be, plus he went close with two headers.
His lack of pace is a matter of fact, and can hardly be a secret to Pellegrini; but the fact that he got caught for pace by Campbell is more down to our tactics.

6). A major error of judgment by Joe Hart for their second goal: he decided Gunnarsson was their major attacking threat and pushed him in the back as the ball was in flight - and before he could see that Gunnarsson was never going to get to the ball, anyway.
Truly pub-league stuff.

7). Zaba was badly at fault for two goals; I didn't see the Bayern game but he looked badly at fault, there, also.
Could all this praise have gone to his head?
And his new contract?

Cardiff played well but, too often - in the first half, especially - simple passes went badly astray; and too many of our players displayed an inability to trap the ball; I'm also thinking of one of those heavy passes by Ya Ya, which I think Dzeko should easily have been able to take the sting out of, with the toe of his boot, but instead chose to turn and lay the blame entirely at Ya Ya's door.

Navas not so impressive, this time. I wonder will Pellegrini give Milner a start, next time?

[AG7]

I've only just now had the opportunity to watch the entire game. We didn't play that badly, especially in the first half and although the shots on target stats were poor, Silva - in particular - was particularly busy, and was unfortunate not to score or set up any goals, prior to doing so for Dzeko's.

Just some random observations:

1). Three particularly heavy touches by Ya Ya, in quick succession in the first half, where previously you'd expect him to be right on the money, and could otherwise have set up Navas and Dzeko

2). Fernandinho was anonymous as an attacking force

3). Ya Ya seemed to be assigned the role of central-midfield 'orchestrator', and he made no forward surges of any significance; in fact you could probably draw a long narrow oblong shape joining from just beyond the defensive and offensive extremities of the centre-circle and you would find that he didn't move outside its borders, other than for corners.

4). Clichy did look good going forward, and interacted well with Silva, but I don't recall him delivering a cross to any telling effect

5). Lescott our best defender - and I again maintain that his passing has continued to improve; Garcia wasn't as bad as people were making him out to be, plus he went close with two headers.
His lack of pace is a matter of fact, and can hardly be a secret to Pellegrini; but the fact that he got caught for pace by Campbell is more down to our tactics.

6). A major error of judgment by Joe Hart for their second goal: he decided Gunnarsson was their major attacking threat and pushed him in the back as the ball was in flight - and before he could see that Gunnarsson was never going to get to the ball, anyway.
Truly pub-league stuff.

7). Zaba was badly at fault for two goals; I didn't see the Bayern game but he looked badly at fault, there, also.
Could all this praise have gone to his head?
And his new contract?

Cardiff played well but, too often - in the first half, especially - simple passes went badly astray; and too many of our players displayed an inability to trap the ball; I'm also thinking of one of those heavy passes by Ya Ya, which I think Dzeko should easily have been able to take the sting out of, with the toe of his boot, but instead chose to turn and lay the blame entirely at Ya Ya's door.

Navas not so impressive, this time. I wonder will Pellegrini give Milner a start, next time?

Did you also count how many times Silva passed directly to their players? (Will save you watching it again: 6 frickin times)

[dazby]

I can't help think that if we were sticking with the zonal marking at corners this season we'd have 3 more points than we do now.

[maddog fenton]

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Your right pal I'm all for M P, but if your a manager u Wouldn't try to change things so so soon, could of least buyed his time with the zonal bit

[Original Dub]

Did you also count how many times Silva passed directly to their players? (Will save you watching it again: 6 frickin times)

Frick off? Six times.

For frick sake. He better up his game against the tigers or he can go frick himself.

[Slim]

Did you also count how many times Silva passed directly to their players? (Will save you watching it again: 6 frickin times)

Frick off? Six times.

For frick sake. He better up his game against the tigers or he can go frick himself.

Language like that will not be fucking tolerated, got it cunt?

[Green & Blue]

Wrong thread

[carl_feedthegoat]

There is a post match thread to post your shite, you fucking mega FUCKTARDS!!!!

[Original Dub]

Language like that will not be fucking tolerated, got it cunt?

Loud and fricking clear