Silva v Kinkladze

[Crossie]

Kinky played in a different era. He wouldn't make it in the modern game. He would be like a Taarbat or Pizzaro, it's not enough to be world class with the ball at your feet.

[ashton287]

Kinky played in a different era. He wouldn't make it in the modern game. He would be like a Taarbat or Pizzaro, it's not enough to be world class with the ball at your feet.

If he played today. With the money and the superstardom and worldwide exposure he could of had he might have put in more effort. You never know.

[Alioune DVToure]

If he played today. With the money and the superstardom and worldwide exposure he could of had he might have put in more effort. You never know.

He wouldn't. That's a bullshit apology for him. £5-15k a week is plenty enough to pull your weight above and beyond what you feel like doing. He was a touch of class during a grim time at City but he still took the piss in some respects.

[Original Dub]

I'd have kinky in our team over silva tomorrow and the next day and the one after that.

Kinky had a bad attitude....if silva has such a good attitude why does he only perform 5/6 times a season? He's just as bone idle as Robinho and king and most other players. I can only think of 3 players in our squad that try their best every game and 1 of them can't even get a game, the other only plays because Richards is a walking/hobbling sick note and the last is probably the best striker in the world right now.

Silva only performs for 5 or 6 games a season??

Oh how I miss acid.

[Tokyo Blue]

Vastly vastly overrated by many IMO. Understandable that in those days we latched onto and loved any bright lights but, although hugely talented in natural talent terms he shamefully wasted it and attitude and application was poor.

I would have rather had Bernarbia 3 years earlier than we did than Kinkladze in his prime.

Neither is a patch on David Silva though in real terms...(ie. not "potential" and "latent talent" but as an actual professional footballer for Manchester City).

I believe Ali Benarbia was as good as Silva on the ball - if not better because he could do it with both feet - but he did not have anything like the work rate off it. Mind you, the game today is very different from 1992 and players today in general work a lot harder off the ball. Perhaps if he were 25 today he'd be just as hard a worker. It is impossible to tell.

I love Silva to bits and think he is the best player we have had in my time watching the club, but Ali Benarbia really was tremendous as well and pushes him all the way. Like you, I wish we had been able to get him earlier. When he was 20 would have been about right. Imagine 14 years of Ali B.

I wonder if Kinkladze was in some ways a product of the fawning he got from certain quarters at City. The idea he didn't have to work off the ball was one of his main failings. I would love to know where that idea came from. Had he been played in the formation we play now (which he wasn't - there is no place for that type of player in an old-style 4-4-2), maybe he'd have been a bit more the player he should have been. I loved watching him with the ball at his feet though.

The bottom line for me is that it is impossible to compare across eras.

[s1ty m]

It shows what a clueless tosser he is and always has been when talking about football. Anyone who has watched Silva (and Aguero and Yaya) two or three times this season would know who the (three) best player(s) in the league is/are.

Agreed. I'd throw in a fit Kompany to make 4 players who would walk into any side in the league, possibly Europe. Possibly. No other team in our league has 4 this good.

[DoomMerchant]

Vastly vastly overrated by many IMO. Understandable that in those days we latched onto and loved any bright lights but, although hugely talented in natural talent terms he shamefully wasted it and attitude and application was poor.

I would have rather had Bernarbia 3 years earlier than we did than Kinkladze in his prime.

Neither is a patch on David Silva though in real terms...(ie. not "potential" and "latent talent" but as an actual professional footballer for Manchester City).

I believe Ali Benarbia was as good as Silva on the ball - if not better because he could do it with both feet - but he did not have anything like the work rate off it. Mind you, the game today is very different from 1992 and players today in general work a lot harder off the ball. Perhaps if he were 25 today he'd be just as hard a worker. It is impossible to tell.

I love Silva to bits and think he is the best player we have had in my time watching the club, but Ali Benarbia really was tremendous as well and pushes him all the way. Like you, I wish we had been able to get him earlier. When he was 20 would have been about right. Imagine 14 years of Ali B.

I wonder if Kinkladze was in some ways a product of the fawning he got from certain quarters at City. The idea he didn't have to work off the ball was one of his main failings. I would love to know where that idea came from. Had he been played in the formation we play now (which he wasn't - there is no place for that type of player in an old-style 4-4-2), maybe he'd have been a bit more the player he should have been. I loved watching him with the ball at his feet though.

The bottom line for me is that it is impossible to compare across eras.

i'm interested in the last sentence of your post. My 7 year old son is learning to play the game and the best aspect of his game has him playing fullback a lot of times because he can actually defend unlike 95% of his cohorts, and it seems to me like as he ages it will be more like if 100% of his teammates can't defend at all, despite their position, then they will have a hard time playing football at a high level.

What was it about 20 years ago that made it acceptable to fuck off half of the actual pitch and just trot around like a cunt waiting for the ball?

My son has a reasonable grasp that his value, tho he is obv a midfielder, is that he's adaptable, and is 1000% the best "footballer" on his team at really any position, save goalie (altho i bet he could do that as well as any if he spent the time tbh since height and size difference isn't a big deal at 7)....

What do you think of that fatherly rant?

cheers

[horlock2000]

I'd have kinky in our team over silva tomorrow and the next day and the one after that. Kinky had a bad attitude....if silva has such a good attitude why does he only perform 5/6 times a season? He's just as bone idle as Robinho and king and most other players. I can only think of 3 players in our squad that try their best every game and 1 of them can't even get a game, the other only plays because Richards is a walking/hobbling sick note and the last is probably the best striker in the world right now.

Absolute dogshit... ! I've seen some rubbish posted on here but this is well up there with the worst!!!!

[Tokyo Blue]

What was it about 20 years ago that made it acceptable to fuck off half of the actual pitch and just trot around like a cunt waiting for the ball?

Fitness levels are far higher today than they were twenty years ago.

[Ted Hughes]

What was it about 20 years ago that made it acceptable to fuck off half of the actual pitch and just trot around like a cunt waiting for the ball?

Fitness levels are far higher today than they were twenty years ago.

20 years ago ?

Have a look back to when Hughes was here & he tried to get the front players & attacking mids to put a shift in. The utter bollocks written on here by a large number of the characters who then kissed Mancini's arse for 3 years for doing exactly that, was astounding.

'Fucking moron'. 'No idea how to get the best out of Robinho/Elano' etc etc. Remember the 'does he track back ?' sarcasm when going in for a signing ?

As soon as another manager comes in, fucks Robinho off immediately & insists on the attackers doing all that stuff, it''s the right way to go!! Now the Count is pushing even further, but go back 40 odd years have a look at Bell, Lee, Summerbee when they lost the ball. Of course then the fitness levels were lower but they all 'put a shift in'.

Then as we became mid table, so did the attitude. Liverpool Keegan etc, the rags' teams with Hughes, McClair, Kanchelskis, etc all worked hard. We stopped.

I think it's mainly been the case that we at City are used to watching teams of lazy arsed, losers, or just players without talent, so there was uproar & a lack of understanding when Hughes tried to get the newly aquired players with talent, the 'flair' players grafting. He didn't have the presence or power to make it happen but Bob actually succeeded & it became a requirement here rather than a luxury. Now the Count is trying to take it even further by having less defensive players & making the whole team work harder to compensate.

Kinkladze/Filitcroft v Ryan Giggs/Roy K**ne is an interesting local comparison in a similar era if you analyse the actual difference in football abilities compared to the difference in effort, effectiveness & success in football.