***city vs cardiff official match thread***

[twosips]

No fucking way it was Hart's fault in my opinion. He was left totally stranded by Vinnie's naff attempt at a challenge. You could see Joe was totally wrong footed by the guy all of a sudden bursting threw on him and twatting it near post when 99% of the time from that angle it'd go the other side. If Hart had managed to somehow get down to save that then we'd be talking about the save of the season - he'd need to be fucking psychic to be able to predict that a) Noone would have skipped past Vinnie that easily and b) that Noone was gonna smack it the exact opposite way it looked like he was going to all in the matter of a solitary second.

After 'a' happened there just wasn't the time to even consciously realise that 'b' was about to happen. It was over in a blink in an eye.

[gmercer1]

I'd blame the defenders before Hart especially for the first goal.

[Cocacolajojo1]

First goal the player has the entire goal to shoot at. Perhaps could have stood closer to the post but in that situation when Kompany sells him short, it's a tricky one.

Second corner goes in low so Joe can't parry it and then Demi let's go of his man. What you could get at that point is a reaction save but if you don't get it you can't really fault him for it as the trajectory of the ball is so steep.

Worst keeper of the league, you're having a laugh.

Honestly you can't name 3 keepers having a poorer season than him. I bet the stats would show he has the poorest shots vs goals conceded ratio in the league.

This is what I could dig up from Squawka.com

Szcesny: 0.86 goals per game, 2.47 saves per goal and 2.14 saves per game

Howard: .85 goals per game, 3 saves per goal and 2.25 per game

Cech: .90 goals per game, 1.37 saves per goal and 1.24 per game

Lloris: 1.20 goals per game, 2.09 saves per goal and 2.40 saves per game

MIgnolet: 1.27 goals per game, 1.88 saves per goal and 2.23 saves per game

De Gea: 1.14 goals per game, 2 saves per goal and 2.29 per game

Hart: 1.20 goals per game, 1.47 saves per goal and 1.67 saves per game

It's a very... rough... estimate but this is what I got.... THis says nothing about the types of chances these goalies are faced with and so forth.

For some comparison, here are some other goalies

Begovic: 1.24 goals per game, 1.90 saves per goal and 2.35 per game

Krul: 1.27 goals per game, 1.92 saves per goal and 2.27 saves per game

Mannone 1.08 goals per game, 4.00 saves per goal and 3.69 saves per game

Speroni: 1.41 goals per game, 1.47 saves per goal and 2 saves per game

[Slim]

Is this a fucktard convention?

At no point did I say it was Joe's fault and only Joe's fault. The problem I have, which I think anyone watching the fucking game would have seen was Joe was poised to dive to his far post, as you would expect in that situation. This is why when it ends up at his left he looks wrong footed and can do nothing more than fall on his arse. However when you are poised to go to your right, you have to make sure you left is covered. I have shown his was at an angle and 12 yards out, despite fucktardery claiming otherwise, I have shown he was not in the middle of the box and HAD HIS POSITIONING BEEN BETTER, Noone would not have had the whole goal to shoot at, rather be forced to fire across goal(which after Zabs slipped meant, at best, the other Cardiff player scores).

I did however say the majority of the blame falls at Kompany's feet, Demi scrambling to cover two attackers and ending up covering neither and Garcia who should have filled in when Kolarov was caught out of position on one of his bombing runs. Any one of those players are more to blame than Hart, but when you are beaten at your near post, you are never completely without blame.

I am done explaining this shit to fucktards.

[Sister of fu]

IMO utter dog shite dog defending from both our centre backs,Demichaels gets beaten to easy as does Vinnie. I wouldn't be expecting Vinnie to get beat like he did and I imagine Joe thought the same thing. By the time it's got to him he is exposed and Nooone gives him the eyes.

[carl_feedthegoat]

IMO utter dog shite dog defending from both our centre backs,Demichaels gets beaten to easy as does Vinnie. I wouldn't be expecting Vinnie to get beat like he did and I imagine Joe thought the same thing. By the time it's got to him he is exposed and Nooone gives him the eyes.

I have more of an issue with the second goal..he should have taken control of that instead of being planted to the spot...imo.

[Sister of fu]

IMO utter dog shite dog defending from both our centre backs,Demichaels gets beaten to easy as does Vinnie. I wouldn't be expecting Vinnie to get beat like he did and I imagine Joe thought the same thing. By the time it's got to him he is exposed and Nooone gives him the eyes.

I have more of an issue with the second goal..he should have taken control of that instead of being planted to the spot...imo.

I agree on the 2nd, your told as a keeper to dominate the 6 yard box and anything that comes in there should be yours. It was really sloppy and had a very switched off end of game feel about it. I'm sure Pellers will be having a word at it was shit.

[london blue 2]

For the record I couldn't believe vinny let him come inside so easily. I can't really blame hart. But it was near post.

[DoomMerchant]

Is this a fucktard convention?

It is now. Glad the keynote speaker has arrived.

[Slim]

Is this a fucktard convention?

It is now. Glad the keynote speaker has arrived.

You shouldn't have to introduce yourself, there are enough attendees present for someone to take the job.

[Ted Hughes]

IMO utter dog shite dog defending from both our centre backs,Demichaels gets beaten to easy as does Vinnie. I wouldn't be expecting Vinnie to get beat like he did and I imagine Joe thought the same thing. By the time it's got to him he is exposed and Nooone gives him the eyes.

I have more of an issue with the second goal..he should have taken control of that instead of being planted to the spot...imo.

I agree on the 2nd, your told as a keeper to dominate the 6 yard box and anything that comes in there should be yours. It was really sloppy and had a very switched off end of game feel about it. I'm sure Pellers will be having a word at it was shit.

If it was a normal flighted corner I would agree, but it looked to me, as Doug said, that due to the trajectory of the ball he was expecting a header before it reached that area. I was expecting it to be cleared or headed by the oppo before it got there as about five players all jumped for it & somehow all missed it. By the time it got through & Demichelis had let their striker run past him & tap it in, it was shin high.

What if he had come out & someone near post headed it into an empty net before it reached him, would he not be getting shit for that ?

[Cocacolajojo1]

What if he had come out & someone near post headed it into an empty net before it reached him, would he not be getting shit for that ?

Pretty much yeah. It would've looked pathetic to say the least

[DoomMerchant]

Is this a fucktard convention?

It is now. Glad the keynote speaker has arrived.

You shouldn't have to introduce yourself, there are enough attendees present for someone to take the job.

as apparently one has just done....well played.

cheers

[Cit.revenge]

Ok honest opinion Hart on some games look like world class keeper, but there is for me in PL at list 6 7 better ones. I like Hart but number of points these season he take from us is about 7 in my view and he did not play all games. We have problem with corners much more when Hart is on goal then Panty ( i m not saying Panty is better far from it ) ,but that is hes problems and sometime he go out with no reason , some goals in last two season was just because hes not cover the near post ( example Sunderland goal last season ) , or not on right place. He can be brilliant but i think we can at list bring somebody to challenge him .

[blue-nova]

No Keeper Should Ever Be Beaten at the Near Post

Perhaps there's a goalkeeper on here who could explain this to me, because as far as I'm concerned it's simply a cliche on a par with 'he should have scored from there' (even Messi wouldn't live up to the typical co-commentator's expectations!).

I understand the basic point that if it's the 'near post' the keeper is nearer to it, so there's theoretically less room to shoot in, however that seems a little simplistic to me. (I'm not sure it even applies in this situation as the view from behind the player suggests he had quite a lot of the goal to aim for - but I'm interesting in people's view's anyway).

Surely a goalkeepers job is to position himself so that it's equally difficult for the attacker to score either side. If I wanted to protect my near post I'd move closer to it, and try to stay light on my feet so I'd be ready to make the kind of quick foot movements that help with shots close to the body (similar to when coming out to meet an oncoming player). However it feels to me that if I did this I'd be less able to push off with my feet to quickly dive with distance if the player decides to shoot for the far post. If I wanted to protect my far side, I'd be preparing my body stance to push off with my feet and to throw my upper body weight quickly to one side.

Those seem to be conflicting stances, one light on your feet, ready to lift them up quickly and make darting hand movements while keeping your body steady - the other being ready to push down with your feet, and preparing to throw your weight to one side.

That leads me to the conclusion that I'd have to balance what I was going to do, trying to make it equally likely that I could go either way, while trying to anticipate which way the attacker will go.

I'd be interested to hear why that's not the case and the 'near post' is more important.

[dazby]

I spot two issues with Joe for the goal.

1. His feet are moving still trying to get in position when the shot is taken. He should be stationary in the set position. Which results in

2. When the shot goes in he falls on his toosh which means his weight is on his heels rather than on his toes. A keepers weight needs to be on their toes.

[Ted Hughes]

I spot two issues with Joe for the goal.

1. His feet are moving still trying to get in position when the shot is taken. He should be stationary in the set position. Which results in

2. When the shot goes in he falls on his toosh which means his weight is on his heels rather than on his toes. A keepers weight needs to be on their toes.

I can accept all of that, but I'm sat looking at it from the angle behind the bloke taking the shot, & he's putting it in the opposite corner, then suddenly the net bulges on the other side & you don't even see the ball move. Hart didn't have a cat in hell's chance.

On the other hand, I saw Demichelis take an absolute age getting into position & was already mid groan before the bloke rather obviously backheeled it, then sat shaking my head as Vinny made a quite pathetic attempt to push Noone down the line.

If we're talking technical reason's that goal went in, the defenders are the people we should be looking at; they had a chance of stopping it & in fact, it wasn't that difficult a job, at all. They were incompetent.

[dazby]

I spot two issues with Joe for the goal.

1. His feet are moving still trying to get in position when the shot is taken. He should be stationary in the set position. Which results in

2. When the shot goes in he falls on his toosh which means his weight is on his heels rather than on his toes. A keepers weight needs to be on their toes.

I can accept all of that, but I'm sat looking at it from the angle behind the bloke taking the shot, & he's putting it in the opposite corner, then suddenly the net bulges on the other side & you don't even see the ball move. Hart didn't have a cat in hell's chance.

On the other hand, I saw Demichelis take an absolute age getting into position & was already mid groan before the bloke rather obviously backheeled it, then sat shaking my head as Vinny made a quite pathetic attempt to push Noone down the line.

If we're talking technical reason's that goal went in, the defenders are the people we should be looking at; they had a chance of stopping it & in fact, it wasn't that difficult a job, at all. They were incompetent.

I blame the forwards and mids for letting the ball go over half way. Keepers union.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I spot two issues with Joe for the goal.

1. His feet are moving still trying to get in position when the shot is taken. He should be stationary in the set position. Which results in

2. When the shot goes in he falls on his toosh which means his weight is on his heels rather than on his toes. A keepers weight needs to be on their toes.

I can accept all of that, but I'm sat looking at it from the angle behind the bloke taking the shot, & he's putting it in the opposite corner, then suddenly the net bulges on the other side & you don't even see the ball move. Hart didn't have a cat in hell's chance.

On the other hand, I saw Demichelis take an absolute age getting into position & was already mid groan before the bloke rather obviously backheeled it, then sat shaking my head as Vinny made a quite pathetic attempt to push Noone down the line.

If we're talking technical reason's that goal went in, the defenders are the people we should be looking at; they had a chance of stopping it & in fact, it wasn't that difficult a job, at all. They were incompetent.

I blame the forwards and mids for letting the ball go over half way. Keepers union.

You could be onto something there Dazby. When the ball is lofted into the corner Dzeko is our furthest player back on the left hand side, he let his man run off him unchallenged meanwhile Garcia allows his man to run off him too, this leaves Demichelis in a 1 v 2 situation at LB, he dives in as usual and Vinnie is left 1 v 1 with Noone and makes an absolute balls off his challenge leaving our keeper completely exposed as has been the case on the vast majority of goals we've conceded. All the while Silva was nowhere to be seen and Kolarov and Garcia made little effort to retrieve the situation. Some just want to blame Hart every time we concede for some bizarre reason.