The Rags

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Just read an interview with Van Butt & he says he's building a team, & it can't be done in a month etc.

It can if you're building a shit team.

[Dubciteh]

Titter.

If that's the case, then presumably the Glazers have told him they will back him & let him get on with it even if it's a struggle, which is fair enough, but if he means he's going to get the whole club playing 3-5-2, that is not tactical evolution, it's tactical devolution.

It's already been done numerous times & most have decided against it. Martinez & the Count for example, kind of use it for periods in a game by dropping Yaya or Barry etc into that central defender position, to create from the back, rather than having a defender there doing it. Fernando drops in that area defensively.

So they get some of the benefits of 3-5-2 without the weaknesses, which have been exploited many times in the Prem.

Strange to go tactically backwards.

I dont think there version of three at the back will work at all. When Mancini did it with us, we played with three narrow centrebacks and it worked in pre season but the times he introduced(usually champions league when losing) we went to shit, i think there was some solid theory behind it but not a mid game change. The rags are using a wide back three, so essentially each of there wide centre backs is playing where a normal full back would play and then they have one centre back isolated in the middle with massive gaps between them, This will never work, Dyer and routledge had the freedom of the park against them and any sort of diagonal ball meant it was a race, that isnt how 3 at the back is supposed to work.

So instead of

----RCB---CB---LCB---

They are playing:

RCB--------CB---------LCB

If that makes any sense! Anyway it wont work.

Also there other problem is Mata, they are changing everything to accommodate him and he is not worth it and cant fit in with there style of play, he is too slow. Jose was right to shift him out.

[Dubciteh]

Also i reckon as a club and a team they are 5 years behind where we are, from top to bottom which is absolutely brilliant!

[Foreverinbluedreams]

[Lee_R]

I think this all goes to show how desperate they are to return to the CL. 60m on Di Maria and out of the LC. Wouldnt be surprised if it was deliberate. Imagine them out of the CL for 2 or 3 years (Quite possible), the wheels are well and truely coming off. What a shit squad, shit team, shit club. #desperation #losers #pathetic

[Ted Hughes]

Titter.

If that's the case, then presumably the Glazers have told him they will back him & let him get on with it even if it's a struggle, which is fair enough, but if he means he's going to get the whole club playing 3-5-2, that is not tactical evolution, it's tactical devolution.

It's already been done numerous times & most have decided against it. Martinez & the Count for example, kind of use it for periods in a game by dropping Yaya or Barry etc into that central defender position, to create from the back, rather than having a defender there doing it. Fernando drops in that area defensively.

So they get some of the benefits of 3-5-2 without the weaknesses, which have been exploited many times in the Prem.

Strange to go tactically backwards.

I dont think there version of three at the back will work at all. When Mancini did it with us, we played with three narrow centrebacks and it worked in pre season but the times he introduced(usually champions league when losing) we went to shit, i think there was some solid theory behind it but not a mid game change. The rags are using a wide back three, so essentially each of there wide centre backs is playing where a normal full back would play and then they have one centre back isolated in the middle with massive gaps between them, This will never work, Dyer and routledge had the freedom of the park against them and any sort of diagonal ball meant it was a race, that isnt how 3 at the back is supposed to work.

So instead of

----RCB---CB---LCB---

They are playing:

RCB--------CB---------LCB

If that makes any sense! Anyway it wont work.

Also there other problem is Mata, they are changing everything to accommodate him and he is not worth it and cant fit in with there style of play, he is too slow. Jose was right to shift him out.

Yeah, we kind of shift to that in a way sometimes, when VK & Demi split & Yaya for example drops in & gets on the ball. And Martinez does it with Barry.

But then Yaya/Barry move out & we/Everton have a proper defence again.

Gullit was suggesting that Van Butt did this 3 at the back thing with Holland because the Dutch defenders are all shit, which is fair enough & in effect meant they almost had five at the back rather than 3.

But it seems strange to then take it on at the swamp & plan on using it through the club. This is like going back to the 90's for him.

[Cit.revenge]

Early yesterday on redcafe.net :
"Lot of people with great sense of humour I see. 5-0 prediction for MK Dons? Wow, that is hilarious. Can you guys please post it multiple times so that everyone gets your jokes?"
How i enjoy reading this :D

[hyper]

I see Van Gaal also refused to shake hands with the Dons manager until after he'd signed a few Un*ted shirts. Classy.

[Abu Dhabi]

All this doesn't matter. They have a philosophy!

[Hutch's Shoulder]

Titter.

If that's the case, then presumably the Glazers have told him they will back him & let him get on with it even if it's a struggle, which is fair enough, but if he means he's going to get the whole club playing 3-5-2, that is not tactical evolution, it's tactical devolution.

It's already been done numerous times & most have decided against it. Martinez & the Count for example, kind of use it for periods in a game by dropping Yaya or Barry etc into that central defender position, to create from the back, rather than having a defender there doing it. Fernando drops in that area defensively.

So they get some of the benefits of 3-5-2 without the weaknesses, which have been exploited many times in the Prem.

Strange to go tactically backwards.

I dont think there version of three at the back will work at all. When Mancini did it with us, we played with three narrow centrebacks and it worked in pre season but the times he introduced(usually champions league when losing) we went to shit, i think there was some solid theory behind it but not a mid game change. The rags are using a wide back three, so essentially each of there wide centre backs is playing where a normal full back would play and then they have one centre back isolated in the middle with massive gaps between them, This will never work, Dyer and routledge had the freedom of the park against them and any sort of diagonal ball meant it was a race, that isnt how 3 at the back is supposed to work.

So instead of

----RCB---CB---LCB---

They are playing:

RCB--------CB---------LCB

If that makes any sense! Anyway it wont work.

Also there other problem is Mata, they are changing everything to accommodate him and he is not worth it and cant fit in with there style of play, he is too slow. Jose was right to shift him out.

Yeah, we kind of shift to that in a way sometimes, when VK & Demi split & Yaya for example drops in & gets on the ball. And Martinez does it with Barry.

But then Yaya/Barry move out & we/Everton have a proper defence again.

Gullit was suggesting that Van Butt did this 3 at the back thing with Holland because the Dutch defenders are all shit, which is fair enough & in effect meant they almost had five at the back rather than 3.

But it seems strange to then take it on at the swamp & plan on using it through the club. This is like going back to the 90's for him.

Yes, changing formation because you have poor defenders makes sense at international level where you are choosing from a small pool, but at club level the first approach ought to be to sign better players. Perhaps he had no confidence in Ed getting them, or more likely got carried away by his own publicity.

[mr_nool]

Titter.

If that's the case, then presumably the Glazers have told him they will back him & let him get on with it even if it's a struggle, which is fair enough, but if he means he's going to get the whole club playing 3-5-2, that is not tactical evolution, it's tactical devolution.

It's already been done numerous times & most have decided against it. Martinez & the Count for example, kind of use it for periods in a game by dropping Yaya or Barry etc into that central defender position, to create from the back, rather than having a defender there doing it. Fernando drops in that area defensively.

So they get some of the benefits of 3-5-2 without the weaknesses, which have been exploited many times in the Prem.

Strange to go tactically backwards.

I dont think there version of three at the back will work at all. When Mancini did it with us, we played with three narrow centrebacks and it worked in pre season but the times he introduced(usually champions league when losing) we went to shit, i think there was some solid theory behind it but not a mid game change. The rags are using a wide back three, so essentially each of there wide centre backs is playing where a normal full back would play and then they have one centre back isolated in the middle with massive gaps between them, This will never work, Dyer and routledge had the freedom of the park against them and any sort of diagonal ball meant it was a race, that isnt how 3 at the back is supposed to work.

So instead of

----RCB---CB---LCB---

They are playing:

RCB--------CB---------LCB

If that makes any sense! Anyway it wont work.

Also there other problem is Mata, they are changing everything to accommodate him and he is not worth it and cant fit in with there style of play, he is too slow. Jose was right to shift him out.

Yeah, we kind of shift to that in a way sometimes, when VK & Demi split & Yaya for example drops in & gets on the ball. And Martinez does it with Barry.

But then Yaya/Barry move out & we/Everton have a proper defence again.

Gullit was suggesting that Van Butt did this 3 at the back thing with Holland because the Dutch defenders are all shit, which is fair enough & in effect meant they almost had five at the back rather than 3.

But it seems strange to then take it on at the swamp & plan on using it through the club. This is like going back to the 90's for him.

Yes, changing formation because you have poor defenders makes sense at international level where you are choosing from a small pool, but at club level the first approach ought to be to sign better players. Perhaps he had no confidence in Ed getting them, or more likely got carried away by his own publicity.

My bet is on the second option. van Ghoul is probably the most arrogant man in world football.

[I Just Blue Myself]

MK Dons taking the piss with the second goal.

https://vine.co/v/MlnpAa17lAv

[Mikhail Chigorin]

MK Dons taking the piss with the second goal.

https://vine.co/v/MlnpAa17lAv

I've only seen the goals in this game but they semed to come about through MK Dons trying to play a bit of football on the ground.

Is this how they tried to play throughout the game, or are the goals a bit deceptive in that sense ??

[Nigels Tackle]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... weets.html

[sandman]

[bayblue]

Wouldn't be surprised if it's Woodward who gets the chop first. One of the Glazers becomes CEO and Fergie returns as Director of Football

[Beefymcfc]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ..................................

[Nigels Tackle]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ..................................

i know

every time i think about them i piss myself laughing

hahahahahaha!!!!!!

[bigblue]

From 2011:

"Giggs: We would never collapse like Liverpool"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ng-3335336

lol

[Beefymcfc]

It was unimaginable when the draw was made and most had the Rags as 18 from 18, or even more until they got their first test from Everton. What was it, 8 easy games to start?