An end to coefficients?

[john68]

Whatever happens, it seems that UeFA are going into battle and that should suit City down to the ground. By addressing the debt and coefficients issues, they would certainly peg back the global clubs.
By making the CL fairer and more competitive, it is more likely that many of the clubs who only be makeweights in any super league may remain in the fold and therefore stop any new venture before it gets off the ground.
If they do go into battle against the global clubs, they are going to need the support of those clubs shut out, of which we are probably the biggest.

It will be absofuckinhilarious if we get the chance to watch the likes of Barca, the rags, Bayern, Real, the Arse and the scouse in particular being put through the mangle by those they have used and abused for so long. WTF will the media do then? You can almost hear the screams emitting from their boardrooms.

[Nigels Tackle]

i quite like the (crazy) idea of a super 2 tiered 'british' premier league

fuck bayern, barca, real, milan and the like

ship in rangers and celtic, set up a teams in belfast and dublin and then bring the likes of leeds, sheff wed, forest, derby etc get the bristol clubs to merge

it would be ultra competitive and sponsors would be creaming their pants at the the idea - as would the armchair fans in the rest of the world

[lets all have a disco]

i quite like the (crazy) idea of a super 2 tiered 'british' premier league

fuck bayern, barca, real, milan and the like

ship in rangers and celtic, set up a teams in belfast and dublin and then bring the likes of leeds, sheff wed, forest, derby etc get the bristol clubs to merge

it would be ultra competitive and sponsors would be creaming their pants at the the idea - as would the armchair fans in the rest of the world

I prefer the idea of winning the league getting into the top pot wnning the thing and sticking a finger up at Platini and co whilst bringing FFP to its knees.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

i quite like the (crazy) idea of a super 2 tiered 'british' premier league

fuck bayern, barca, real, milan and the like

ship in rangers and celtic, set up a teams in belfast and dublin and then bring the likes of leeds, sheff wed, forest, derby etc get the bristol clubs to merge

it would be ultra competitive and sponsors would be creaming their pants at the the idea - as would the armchair fans in the rest of the world

I prefer the idea of winning the league getting into the top pot wnning the thing and sticking a finger up at Platini and co whilst bringing FFP to its knees.

There's much merit in this thought, IMHO.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

We seem to be taking a different approach with uefa these days. We appear to be cooperating with FFP and instead of trying to smash through it, we are getting onside to and trying to dilute and tweak things in our favour. Maybe we think FFP can work for us, or perhaps we are waiting on DuPont. Hmm.

[Beefymcfc]

We seem to be taking a different approach with uefa these days. We appear to be cooperating with FFP and instead of trying to smash through it, we are getting onside to and trying to dilute and tweak things in our favour. Maybe we think FFP can work for us, or perhaps we are waiting on DuPont. Hmm.

Maybe UEFA are realising who the big players are going to be in the future and with certain sponsorship deals for other clubs, as well as UEFA, are now turning members approach to us, and the likes of PSG.

[john68]

Piccs,

I actually think it's the other way round. If UeFA are to have any future, they have to wrest control from the global brands. With the threat of a breakaway that would need the support of other clubs, By making the coefficients more fair and adding debt to the FFPRs, they make it more desirable for the non global brands to remain within their umbrella. We and PSG are the biggest clubs outside the global brands and if UeFAgo into battle,it is better that they have us inside there tent pissing out.

One of the big rising stars in European football is Mr Champagne and he certainly favours a more equitable competition.

It definitely seems UeFA are cosying up to us rather than the other way round.

[Wooders]

We seem to be taking a different approach with uefa these days. We appear to be cooperating with FFP and instead of trying to smash through it, we are getting onside to and trying to dilute and tweak things in our favour. Maybe we think FFP can work for us, or perhaps we are waiting on DuPont. Hmm.

We're canvassing to lift the ban on sustainable investment and penalizing clubs who are in debt, bit more than "tweeking" things in our favour - we're going to try and use ffp as a weapon just like mun u and Liverpool before us

[Mikhail Chigorin]

We seem to be taking a different approach with uefa these days. We appear to be cooperating with FFP and instead of trying to smash through it, we are getting onside to and trying to dilute and tweak things in our favour. Maybe we think FFP can work for us, or perhaps we are waiting on DuPont. Hmm.

We're canvassing to lift the ban on sustainable investment and penalizing clubs who are in debt, bit more than "tweeking" things in our favour - we're going to try and use ffp as a weapon just like mun u and Liverpool before us

It would be deliciously nice if we were playing some sort of double edged game and biding our time to, somehow, assist others in stabbing the Fat Frenchman - and his FFP 'brainchild' - in the back; hopefully at the most opportune time.

Don't know how such an opportunity would ever present itself (unless it's via Monsieur Dupont), but it really would be nice.

[john68]

Mikhail,

As daft as this may seem on the face of it,stabbing Platini in the back or weakening UeFA may not be the best course of pragmatic action for City as things stand.
The main enemy of European football since the mid 1980s has been those old G14 clubs. It is those clubs who through UeFA have combined to oppose us |(as their main threat) at every turn. It is the infrastructure designed by them, foisted on UeFA by threats and coercion that have ensured City failed the FFPRs and have been held back in the hierarchy of the coefficients. Whatever the media would have us believe, (and their silence in reportage has been deafening, the blame sits fairly and squarely on their unreported shoulders. UeFA. as the administrative body, has little power itself.

If UeFA are now taking on the global clubs , we need to be fairly and squarely on their shoulder, fighting alongside them to diminish the power of the likes of the rags, Bayern and Arsenal.

The vast majority of European clubs will choose to support the camp that offers them the best financial option and if the global clubs are isolated and brought to heel, that would serve tp bring equity back to European football and a evening out of the football financial rewards.

[Scatman]

Mikhail,

As daft as this may seem on the face of it,stabbing Platini in the back or weakening UeFA may not be the best course of pragmatic action for City as things stand.
The main enemy of European football since the mid 1980s has been those old G14 clubs. It is those clubs who through UeFA have combined to oppose us |(as their main threat) at every turn. It is the infrastructure designed by them, foisted on UeFA by threats and coercion that have ensured City failed the FFPRs and have been held back in the hierarchy of the coefficients. Whatever the media would have us believe, (and their silence in reportage has been deafening, the blame sits fairly and squarely on their unreported shoulders. UeFA. as the administrative body, has little power itself.

If UeFA are now taking on the global clubs , we need to be fairly and squarely on their shoulder, fighting alongside them to diminish the power of the likes of the rags, Bayern and Arsenal.

The vast majority of European clubs will choose to support the camp that offers them the best financial option and if the global clubs are isolated and brought to heel, that would serve tp bring equity back to European football and a evening out of the football financial rewards.

But what are the risks of the pendulum going so far the other way that we end up like the rags, Bayern, Arsenal in our approach?

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Just to be a pedant, Chelsea were never a G14 club. For all their money and success they weren't invited to join the party.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Mikhail,

As daft as this may seem on the face of it,stabbing Platini in the back or weakening UeFA may not be the best course of pragmatic action for City as things stand.
The main enemy of European football since the mid 1980s has been those old G14 clubs. It is those clubs who through UeFA have combined to oppose us |(as their main threat) at every turn. It is the infrastructure designed by them, foisted on UeFA by threats and coercion that have ensured City failed the FFPRs and have been held back in the hierarchy of the coefficients. Whatever the media would have us believe, (and their silence in reportage has been deafening, the blame sits fairly and squarely on their unreported shoulders. UeFA. as the administrative body, has little power itself.

If UeFA are now taking on the global clubs , we need to be fairly and squarely on their shoulder, fighting alongside them to diminish the power of the likes of the rags, Bayern and Arsenal.

The vast majority of European clubs will choose to support the camp that offers them the best financial option and if the global clubs are isolated and brought to heel, that would serve tp bring equity back to European football and a evening out of the football financial rewards.

Once again John, I just need to say that your series of posts on this topic have been spellbindingly interesting, with great perception and insight delivered by yourself.

I've really enjoyed reading them so it's very well done to you.

However, having said all that and even though it might be a mild/severe case of shooting ourselves in the foot, I just want revenge against the Fat French Fool, as he has been the figurehead of FFP, even if, as you allude, he has been a manipulated dummy. Our FFP 'punishment' was relatively far worse than the treatment meted out to PSG and we seem to have been the one singled out especially 'pour encourager les autres'. For that alone, I just feel he needs his head metaphorically kicking in and so I want absolute and utter revenge (in my book, the other 'criminals' can then step in line to be sorted out).

Anyway John, please disregard my utterances on this topic, being those of a philosophical bigot and keep up the good work, with all your plethora of fine posts on the conveyor belt.

[john68]

Piics,

Whilst Chelsea were initially excluded. They were invited not long before the G14 ceased and the ECA was formed.

Everything seemed to change whenthe ECA came into being, as some clubs were dumped and the likes of Chelsea joined the top table. I will reiterate that the current ruling clubs appear to be the Rags, Arsenal. Liverpool, Chelsea, Barca, Real, Milan, Inter and Bayern.

Interestingly when the Prem initially had two CL qualifinhg places and Chelsea came along, it was increased to four to accommodate them and decrease the risk of the rags or Arse being excluded.

It was Kenyon who represented the rags in those early days and he played a major part in policymaking within the G14 and a big role in its dealings with UeFA. Yet when he went to Chelsea, he was shut out.

[john68]

Mikhail,

Football is an emotional game and revenge is an emotion Mate....Strut your stuff...:-)