Champions League Last 16 | 2nd Leg

[Mikhail Chigorin]

I heard it mentioned briefly on the TV this morning, as I was going out, that it looks as though there is going to be a review of the number of English teams being allowed to enter the Champions League competition i.e. only three instead of four, as at present.

I didn't have the chance to listen further but has anyone else heard anything about this ??

Moreover, if this is correct, does it mean a 'de facto' end to The Wenger Trophy ??

[iwasthere2012]

As it was a bacon face training drill.

I watched a recording of the game last night & on commentary, Gary Neville basically admitted he did the same, so couldn't criticise. Said foreign teams do it & are smarter than teams here, & Mourinho said the same amongst the bollocks he sprouted in his interview. So both clubs are basically cheats & the reason being that they can't win in Europe without cheating.

Only thing is; they do it exactly the same in the Premier League, so, as Souness says, that shit is infecting our football.

Only problem there: Where the fuck has Souness been for the last 20 years of Ferguson doing it ? He's only just noticed it now ?

A short time ago, whilst I was bored out of my head making the dinner, I happened to switch on Talksport for the first time in months.

Hawksby and Jacobs were on the air, broadcasting their programme from Cheltenham and they wheeled in John Motson who was also in attendance at the Festival. It got quite interesting as Motson actually tore quite volubly into the behaviour of the Chelsea players when Ibrahimovitch was sent off and he stated it was a definite tactic to surround and influence or bully the referee, which had obviously been worked out, in pre-determined fashion in the dressing room, rather than being a spontaneous reaction.

Andy Jacobs is a big Chelsea fan and it was rather nice listening to his squirming acceptance of what Motson was saying and that it was a disgrace to English football for players to act in such a way. At this stage, another character in their makeshift 'studio' (whose name I didn't catch) also chimed in and stated that this tactic had been a perpetual device that The Scum had used for years, to sway things their way and, at this, there was wholehearted agreement amongst the four of them.

If Motson felt so strongly about this happening and agreed that the Scum had been conducting matters in this way for years and years, why did he never say anything about it until now ??

Fear of the consequences.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

As it was a bacon face training drill.

I watched a recording of the game last night & on commentary, Gary Neville basically admitted he did the same, so couldn't criticise. Said foreign teams do it & are smarter than teams here, & Mourinho said the same amongst the bollocks he sprouted in his interview. So both clubs are basically cheats & the reason being that they can't win in Europe without cheating.

Only thing is; they do it exactly the same in the Premier League, so, as Souness says, that shit is infecting our football.

Only problem there: Where the fuck has Souness been for the last 20 years of Ferguson doing it ? He's only just noticed it now ?

A short time ago, whilst I was bored out of my head making the dinner, I happened to switch on Talksport for the first time in months.

Hawksby and Jacobs were on the air, broadcasting their programme from Cheltenham and they wheeled in John Motson who was also in attendance at the Festival. It got quite interesting as Motson actually tore quite volubly into the behaviour of the Chelsea players when Ibrahimovitch was sent off and he stated it was a definite tactic to surround and influence or bully the referee, which had obviously been worked out, in pre-determined fashion in the dressing room, rather than being a spontaneous reaction.

Andy Jacobs is a big Chelsea fan and it was rather nice listening to his squirming acceptance of what Motson was saying and that it was a disgrace to English football for players to act in such a way. At this stage, another character in their makeshift 'studio' (whose name I didn't catch) also chimed in and stated that this tactic had been a perpetual device that The Scum had used for years, to sway things their way and, at this, there was wholehearted agreement amongst the four of them.

If Motson felt so strongly about this happening and agreed that the Scum had been conducting matters in this way for years and years, why did he never say anything about it until now ??

Fear of the consequences.

Or a complete lack of backbone, principles and integrity.

[iwasthere2012]

As it was a bacon face training drill.

I watched a recording of the game last night & on commentary, Gary Neville basically admitted he did the same, so couldn't criticise. Said foreign teams do it & are smarter than teams here, & Mourinho said the same amongst the bollocks he sprouted in his interview. So both clubs are basically cheats & the reason being that they can't win in Europe without cheating.

Only thing is; they do it exactly the same in the Premier League, so, as Souness says, that shit is infecting our football.

Only problem there: Where the fuck has Souness been for the last 20 years of Ferguson doing it ? He's only just noticed it now ?

A short time ago, whilst I was bored out of my head making the dinner, I happened to switch on Talksport for the first time in months.

Hawksby and Jacobs were on the air, broadcasting their programme from Cheltenham and they wheeled in John Motson who was also in attendance at the Festival. It got quite interesting as Motson actually tore quite volubly into the behaviour of the Chelsea players when Ibrahimovitch was sent off and he stated it was a definite tactic to surround and influence or bully the referee, which had obviously been worked out, in pre-determined fashion in the dressing room, rather than being a spontaneous reaction.

Andy Jacobs is a big Chelsea fan and it was rather nice listening to his squirming acceptance of what Motson was saying and that it was a disgrace to English football for players to act in such a way. At this stage, another character in their makeshift 'studio' (whose name I didn't catch) also chimed in and stated that this tactic had been a perpetual device that The Scum had used for years, to sway things their way and, at this, there was wholehearted agreement amongst the four of them.

If Motson felt so strongly about this happening and agreed that the Scum had been conducting matters in this way for years and years, why did he never say anything about it until now ??

Fear of the consequences.

Or a complete lack of backbone, principles and integrity.

That too.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

As far as I know it is something based on League coefficients. I think the top three or four leagues get an extra place. We have done poorly in recent seasons and maybe France is set to overtake us

[DoomMerchant]

As far as I know it is something based on League coefficients. I think the top three or four leagues get an extra place. We have done poorly in recent seasons and maybe France is set to overtake us

France? Are you smoking crack and fucking your dogs? Bite your tongue homie.

Cheers

[Wonderwall]

As far as I know it is something based on League coefficients. I think the top three or four leagues get an extra place. We have done poorly in recent seasons and maybe France is set to overtake us

France? Are you smoking crack and fucking your dogs? Bite your tongue homie.

Cheers

Italy are 4th place, its explained here Roger, we are good for a while yet

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Just had a look and it seems we are fine.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Imagine the panic if it was down to three qualifiers. You can almost hear the bleating from our old friends in the "Sky Four"

[Beefymcfc]

As it was a bacon face training drill.

I watched a recording of the game last night & on commentary, Gary Neville basically admitted he did the same, so couldn't criticise. Said foreign teams do it & are smarter than teams here, & Mourinho said the same amongst the bollocks he sprouted in his interview. So both clubs are basically cheats & the reason being that they can't win in Europe without cheating.

Only thing is; they do it exactly the same in the Premier League, so, as Souness says, that shit is infecting our football.

Only problem there: Where the fuck has Souness been for the last 20 years of Ferguson doing it ? He's only just noticed it now ?

A short time ago, whilst I was bored out of my head making the dinner, I happened to switch on Talksport for the first time in months.

Hawksby and Jacobs were on the air, broadcasting their programme from Cheltenham and they wheeled in John Motson who was also in attendance at the Festival. It got quite interesting as Motson actually tore quite volubly into the behaviour of the Chelsea players when Ibrahimovitch was sent off and he stated it was a definite tactic to surround and influence or bully the referee, which had obviously been worked out, in pre-determined fashion in the dressing room, rather than being a spontaneous reaction.

Andy Jacobs is a big Chelsea fan and it was rather nice listening to his squirming acceptance of what Motson was saying and that it was a disgrace to English football for players to act in such a way. At this stage, another character in their makeshift 'studio' (whose name I didn't catch) also chimed in and stated that this tactic had been a perpetual device that The Scum had used for years, to sway things their way and, at this, there was wholehearted agreement amongst the four of them.

If Motson felt so strongly about this happening and agreed that the Scum had been conducting matters in this way for years and years, why did he never say anything about it until now ??

There's a couple of replays that actually show Terry standing/stamping on Oscar to ensure he stays down. Oscar then looks up to confirm what's going on.

What they do is a genuine tactic, proved by how far Costa ran just to get into the act.

[PrezIke]

I believe italy is the biggest threat to pass england but come now...

[Saul Goodman]

I believe italy is the biggest threat to pass england but come now...

This is true. I commented on this in the Europa League thread. But if it happens it wont be for at least 2 seasons probably.
There was a fantastic write up on Sky yesterday explaining it in understandable detail. Maybe someone can paste that for those interested

[Ted Hughes]

A bizarre amount of sense & truth talked on Soccer Saturday.

All made the point that if the Chelsea players were genuinely concerned about Oscar being injured by a bad tackle, then they would be running to him, & to give Ibra shit, not ignoring both & running straight at the ref. Also Thompson pointed out that Chelsea were a fucking mess & Mourinho had no answer to it. He was poor.

Merson mentioned that George Graham told his players to go at the ref, & that Brian Robson never stopped. Those two teams were both fucking horrible & indeed brought this kind of shit to a new level, which Ferguson continued & Mourinho has kept the flag flying.

We have now had Merson & Neville admit to it, as well as Gerrard.

All of these cunts deserve showing up for what they were; cheats. Just like Chelsea & Mourinho.

[phips]

I believe italy is the biggest threat to pass england but come now...

This is true. I commented on this in the Europa League thread. But if it happens it wont be for at least 2 seasons probably.
There was a fantastic write up on Sky yesterday explaining it in understandable detail. Maybe someone can paste that for those interested

Here:

Chelsea's defeat by PSG on Wednesday was a shock for all involved, but fans of other Premier League teams were concerned at how it may impact that fourth Champions League place. Here, we explain whether those fears are justified ....

Will the Premier League always get four Champions League places?

No. That coveted fourth place in the Premier League – occupied by Arsenal for three of the last four years – has been a privilege since the 2001/02 season.

For fairness, UEFA hand out Champions League places depending on how a particular country has performed in the last five years. At its height, the Premier League had eight Champions League finalist in eight seasons between 2005 and 2012, winning three. But events of the last two-and-a-half years have threatened to ruin all that hard work…

Why are people now saying the Premier League could soon lose a Champions League spot?

English clubs' underwhelming record in Europe this season was highlighted when Chelsea were knocked out of the Champions League by PSG on Wednesday night.

Liverpool went out at the group stage and were then knocked out of the Europa League round of 32, Arsenal must overcome a 3-1 first-leg deficit at Monaco, Manchester City go to Barcelona 2-1 down, and Everton are the only side left in Europe’s secondary competition.

Which countries get which places?

Currently, the top three ranked countries – Spain, England and Germany - are given four Champions League places, while the three countries below - currently Italy, Portugal and France - are given three.

The countries are ranked on a coefficient score, based on 'points' gained from performance in the Champions League and Europa League.

How is this coefficient score calculated?

The coefficient is calculated by working out an average score for the country, which is gained by dividing the number of 'points' obtained by the total number of clubs representing a country (for example, England have seven clubs this season).

That resulting number is then added to the results of the previous four seasons to calculate the coefficient.

How do you gain 'points'?

Still with us? Good. Each team gets two points for a win and one point for a draw, though points are halved for matches in the qualifying and play-off rounds.

Clubs that reach the last 16, quarter-final, semi-final or final of the Champions League, or the quarter-final, semi-final or final of the Europa League, are awarded an extra point for each round.

In addition, four points are awarded for participation in the group stage of the Champions League and four points for qualifying for the last 16.

So how many points have we got this season?

Chelsea have gained 20 points, Arsenal 19.5, Man City 15, Everton 12, Liverpool 10, Tottenham 11 and Hull 2.5, meaning up to now England have scored 90 points. Dividing that by seven gets you 12.857, England’s current coefficient score for the season.

How does this compare to other countries this season?

England’s score of 12.857 is currently fourth-best; Spain have 14.642, Germany 13.857 and Italy 13.833. France trail England in fifth with 10.250.

So where are England in the overall rankings when taking into account the past five seasons (including 2014/15)?

England are currently second in the overall coefficient ranking – the one that counts - with 79.677 points over the past five seasons. That's 18.357 (2010/11) + 15.250 (2011/12) + 16.428 (2012/13) + 16.785 (2013/14) + this year's 12.857.

Spain are top with 94.427, while Germany are just behind England with 77.415.

Could anybody overtake England this year?

It is virtually impossible for England’s closest challengers, Italy, to overtake this year. They are currently just over 14 points behind England in the overall standings. To put that into context, in the whole of the 2013/14 season, Italy gained 14.166 points, while England gained 16.785.

However, with the 2010/11 season dropping off the coefficient list next season, the gap will narrow considerably. With Manchester United reaching the final in 2011, England gained 18.357 points to Italy’s 11.571, meaning Italy will gain just under seven points.

The most points scored in a single season in the past five years was Spain's 23 in 2013/14 when both Atletico Madrid and Real Madrid reached the Champions League final, as well as Sevilla beating Benfica in the Europa League final.

So Italy are the biggest threat to the Premier League's fourth spot?

Yes – and they still have six teams playing this season. Juventus are 2-1 up in the Champions League last-16 as they travel to Dortmund, while Torino, Roma, Fiorentina, Napoli and Inter Milan remain in the Europa League.

However, it would take a few years of rapid decline for Italy to overtake England in the coefficients.

What can Everton do to help the situation?

A Champions League or Europa League win usually gains a country around five points (depending on qualifying-round participation) towards that season’s overall coefficient, so an Everton victory come May would be extremely useful for England.

It’s not all about the Champions League teams being eliminated – Europa League is just as important for the coefficient.

Worst-case scenario: what’s the earliest the Premier League could realistically lose its fourth Champions League place?

To wildly predict the future, England’s fourth place will not be affected for the 2015/16 season, should be protected for the 2016/17 season, but may come under threat for the 2017/18 season - but only if Italian clubs consistently out-perform English clubs across both European competitions for the rest of this season and next season.