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Re: Technology in Football

Postby Im_Spartacus » Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:55 am

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Im_Spartacus wrote:I suspect that there's a country to the north of England who are seething with the quality of refereeing/technology right now, in that so much as video refereeing helps with the key calls, the ref has to make the call to go to the video ref in the first place. If he chooses not to, then human error still causes match defining moments


They'll get as much sympathy from me as England got from them when the handball by maradona happened and the Lampard goal was disallowed in the bought-by-Germany world cup, i.e. none at all.

A disallowed goal which of course makes you wonder just how much of it was bought.


Don't get me wrong, the sweaty socks can go fuck themselves, just highlighting the flaws with video refereeing in a game held up as a shining beacon of good refereeing.
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Re: Technology in Football

Postby Tokyo Blue » Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:22 am

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Tokyo Blue wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:I suspect that there's a country to the north of England who are seething with the quality of refereeing/technology right now, in that so much as video refereeing helps with the key calls, the ref has to make the call to go to the video ref in the first place. If he chooses not to, then human error still causes match defining moments


They'll get as much sympathy from me as England got from them when the handball by maradona happened and the Lampard goal was disallowed in the bought-by-Germany world cup, i.e. none at all.

A disallowed goal which of course makes you wonder just how much of it was bought.


Don't get me wrong, the sweaty socks can go fuck themselves, just highlighting the flaws with video refereeing in a game held up as a shining beacon of good refereeing.

Sorry, I should have said something to the effect that I agree with you. Rugby is not the paragon of honesty and gentlemanliness it is held up to be.
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Re: Technology in Football

Postby Plain Speaking » Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:37 am

Tokyo Blue wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:
Tokyo Blue wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:I suspect that there's a country to the north of England who are seething with the quality of refereeing/technology right now, in that so much as video refereeing helps with the key calls, the ref has to make the call to go to the video ref in the first place. If he chooses not to, then human error still causes match defining moments


They'll get as much sympathy from me as England got from them when the handball by maradona happened and the Lampard goal was disallowed in the bought-by-Germany world cup, i.e. none at all.

A disallowed goal which of course makes you wonder just how much of it was bought.


Don't get me wrong, the sweaty socks can go fuck themselves, just highlighting the flaws with video refereeing in a game held up as a shining beacon of good refereeing.

Sorry, I should have said something to the effect that I agree with you. Rugby is not the paragon of honesty and gentlemanliness it is held up to be.

The call the referee made in the Scotland game seemed the right one from his point of view. There was nothing "dishonest" about his decision. The refereeing and review system in top level rugby matches is usually much fairer and honest than that in equivalent football matches. The player respect for referees in rugby is far superior to that of football.

Controversy arose in the Scotland game, because the big screen showed multiple replays of another angle, which revealed the ball had in fact hit an Australian player and the Scottish player was not offside.

Imagine if there were multiple replays in a football match of a highly controversial "mistake" that decided the match (eg the Skertel punch or the Henry handball etc.) There would likely be a riot!

Apparently the current Rugby Union laws did not permit the referee to review or check his decision, even though he could see from the big screen replays he was mistaken. I expect the RU authorities to now revise their procedures to permit more reviews at the referees discretion, (or to avoid showing controversial replays?).

Rugby is not perfect but IMO there is a greater desire to achieve honest and fair results, there seems to be corruption at many levels in football.
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Re: Technology in Football

Postby iwasthere2012 » Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:53 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Tokyo Blue wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:I suspect that there's a country to the north of England who are seething with the quality of refereeing/technology right now, in that so much as video refereeing helps with the key calls, the ref has to make the call to go to the video ref in the first place. If he chooses not to, then human error still causes match defining moments


They'll get as much sympathy from me as England got from them when the handball by maradona happened and the Lampard goal was disallowed in the bought-by-Germany world cup, i.e. none at all.

A disallowed goal which of course makes you wonder just how much of it was bought.


Don't get me wrong, the sweaty socks can go fuck themselves, just highlighting the flaws with video refereeing in a game held up as a shining beacon of good refereeing.


That doesn't really highlight the flaws in video refereeing. If it had of gone to the TMO the chances are the penalty would not have been given.
The report stated;
It is important to clarify that, under the protocols, the referee could not refer to the television match official in this case and therefore had to rely on what he saw in real time. In this case, Law 11.3(c) should have been applied, putting Welsh onside. The appropriate decision, therefore, should have been a scrum to Australia for the original knock-on.

It just shows that refereeing of any sport is prone to human error and human interpretations. The ref made a call judged on what he saw in real time. The rules of the game did not permit him to put that to the TMO. If he was allowed the likelihood is that Scotland would be in the semi-finals now. That's huge.
Regardless of where your sympathies lie, that is a hell of a kick in the teeth. The refereeing with TMO in The Rugby world cup has, by and large, been brilliant in my opinion. When you compare it to Football there is no comparison. We've all been there. England, as has been pointed out. Ireland, definitely with the famous Thierry Henry incident. It just seems to happen so often and so matter-of-factly, in football. It's just accepted and really shouldn't be.

Fans know football is bent, but the powers that be have a captive audience and really don't care.
I love football and especially this era of watching City, but the game is a million miles away from what I grew up playing and what I see my son playing in under-age leagues. Fifa/Uefa and the rest are ruining it. The money involved, the sponsors, the TV companies the media, they are all culpable.
I don't know what the answer is. How does the ordinary supporter reclaim the game. Making it an even playing field for all teams. Making it an honest competition has to be a starting point. IMO there is no sufficient argument, not to have a very minimum of Goal Line technology in all major competitions.

Rugby players have GPS systems stitched into the back of their jerseys. As someone else pointed out, I think, surely football players could have the same and it wouldn't be too difficult to design a program that could determine offsides immediately.
Anything that gives a referee immediate accurate information has to be an improvement on the current situation that is so open to abuse.

As for Scotland. I can understand how you wouldn't have sympathy for them, but I do. It's not the same as the injustices I've seen in football, but purely from the point of view of being so close and yet so far, because of a wrong call (no matter how honestly called).
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Re: Technology in Football

Postby zuricity » Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:11 pm

I wonder how a TMO would measure a Robben 'Dive' ?

If he plays tonight i bet there will be one.

Average 5.8 for presentation ?
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Re: Technology in Football

Postby iwasthere2012 » Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:18 pm

zuricity wrote:I wonder how a TMO would measure a Robben 'Dive' ?

If he plays tonight i bet there will be one.

Average 5.8 for presentation ?


Yes. It can't sort all the ills of football. It would still come down to interpretation of the guy behind the monitor and unfortunately this concept of 'there was contact' that has infected the game. When I played football, it was very much a contact sport. There is also, so often a case of attacker contacting defender, rather than the other way around, that is so blatantly ignored these days. You'd be laughed off the park years ago for some of the antics you see in the professional game these days.
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Re: Technology in Football

Postby Im_Spartacus » Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:59 pm

iwasthere2012 wrote:
zuricity wrote:I wonder how a TMO would measure a Robben 'Dive' ?

If he plays tonight i bet there will be one.

Average 5.8 for presentation ?


Yes. It can't sort all the ills of football. It would still come down to interpretation of the guy behind the monitor and unfortunately this concept of 'there was contact' that has infected the game. When I played football, it was very much a contact sport. There is also, so often a case of attacker contacting defender, rather than the other way around, that is so blatantly ignored these days. You'd be laughed off the park years ago for some of the antics you see in the professional game these days.


Don't forget the pundits telling us every week that 'he has every right to go down'

The cheating has pervaded the game so badly that they actually believe the shit they come out with on TV
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Re: Technology in Football

Postby bayblue » Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:02 pm

No reason technology couldn't be better used, and it is long overdue.

There seems a bit of an elitist view in many football circles (ironic really) that has football as somehow different.

Looks more to me that football is lagging way behind rugby in so many ways.

Having been to one of the quarter finals at the weekend it was a great experience:
- fans mingling with no trouble despite the stakes being so high
- the same fans being massively noisy getting behind their teams
- effective interventions from the TMO
- reflink meaning you could hear the ref talking the players through his decisions and perspective
- the stadium billboards flashing up the refs decisions to those without reflink

Football leadership needs to take its head out of the sand and embrace the 21st century.
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Re: Technology in Football

Postby zuricity » Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:51 am

Im_Spartacus wrote:
iwasthere2012 wrote:
zuricity wrote:I wonder how a TMO would measure a Robben 'Dive' ?

If he plays tonight i bet there will be one.

Average 5.8 for presentation ?


Yes. It can't sort all the ills of football. It would still come down to interpretation of the guy behind the monitor and unfortunately this concept of 'there was contact' that has infected the game. When I played football, it was very much a contact sport. There is also, so often a case of attacker contacting defender, rather than the other way around, that is so blatantly ignored these days. You'd be laughed off the park years ago for some of the antics you see in the professional game these days.


Don't forget the pundits telling us every week that 'he has every right to go down'

The cheating has pervaded the game so badly that they actually believe the shit they come out with on TV



And that in a nutshell is the heart of the problem.

We have an absolute gobshite of a sports radio called Talksport bigging themselves up as the best sports Radio in the world. Airhead presenters , repeatedly having adverts about themselves because they have nothing to report or inform us about. Yet advertisers buy into this crap.
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Re: Technology in Football

Postby Tokyo Blue » Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:05 pm

Plain Speaking wrote:Imagine if there were multiple replays in a football match of a highly controversial "mistake" that decided the match (eg the Skertel punch or the Henry handball etc.) There would likely be a riot!


It did during Swansea v Stoke. Let's see what happens about that.
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