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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri May 17, 2013 10:41 am

Alioune DVToure wrote:The worst manager and most depressing era of my life was definitely 1997-98 under Frank Clark. The word 'clueless' gets thrown about a lot on here but, seriously, what the fuck was Frank Clark about? He signed shit players and then immediately played them out of position, never had a Plan B and looked like he'd be more at home working in a post office.

I was baffled when he was later appointed head of the LMA.


It was like he deliberately removed all width & pace from the team as a plan, rather than by accident.

I remember Rosler used to beg Peter Beagrie to hurry up & get fit, he was counting the days, then when he did, Clark sold him immediately.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:36 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:I've been supporting City since mid-80's but I'm not going to go that far. What does your track record with managerial predictions go in this site since you've been around and how did you feel about each of them?

I joined the site in the end of Royle era so I'm going to include him.

Royle - we were in deep mess when we appointed him and he looked like a REALLY GOOD appointment at the time. Loved him to the end (although football was bit rubbish but you can't be picky) and felt that he should've had the chance to continue. CORRECT

Keegan - LOVED this appointment. Quality football for most of the time and we did really well with him considering the circumstances. It was time for him to go when he left as it was slowly starting to turn bit sour (especially as he had said he'd be quitting in a year anyway). MOSTLY CORRECT

Pearce - LOVED this appointment. I so desperately wanted this guy to be succesfull but the football was some of the worst I've ever witnessed in any level and this guy was absolutely clueless with tactics. EPIC FAIL

Erickson - LOVED this appointment. Football was mostly good and I felt we did pretty well/alright. In the end it was starting to go pretty sour mainly because of the circumstances but he brought right sort of flair to club. I can understand people who didn't like him too and some of his buys were suspect. NOT RIGHT OR WRONG

Hughes - Fucking HATED this appointment from the day his name was mentioned as possible target. After his appointment came Sheik and "the project". He was never their man and was appointed originally to do different sort of job ie thread water. He wasn't suitable candidate for that sort of building project as he had made his name ín doing ok with limited resources. There were ups and downs. Some really good performances but overall I don't think he ever quite grasped what was expected of him. Some good buys though. NOT RIGHT OR WRONG

Mancini - LOVED this appointment. Did exactly what was expected of him from day one. Shored up the defense immediately and then brought FA Cup and later League Title. Had a season of clear step back and it was slowly starting to turn sour. Still his record speaks for itself. MOSTLY CORRECT

Pellegrini - Overall pretty indifferent if slightly negative feeling.


Time for topic update from yesteryear.

PELLEGRINI - Not right or wrong. He always felt like someone who was keeping the seat warm. The league title was fantastic and two league cup wins were great but I felt he might've been able to do bit better overall. NOT RIGHT OR WRONG.

Pep - Absolutely love the appointment and feel like over the years will bring us trophy after trophy including European title. Excstatic.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby nottsblue » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:42 pm

Pellegrini - Not right or wrong. Couldn't disagree on this more. Absolutely the right appointment at the time and with hindsight. Won the PL and League cup double scoring record levels of goals. Brought the squad together when it could have unravelled after Mancini. Also was probably aware he was a short term appointment and just filling in until Pep was attained. Not many managers out there could or would have done what he did. I for one look back on his reign with a lot of fondness.

Pep. Wholeheartedly in agreement
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Cocacolajojo » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:17 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:I've been supporting City since mid-80's but I'm not going to go that far. What does your track record with managerial predictions go in this site since you've been around and how did you feel about each of them?

I joined the site in the end of Royle era so I'm going to include him.

Royle - we were in deep mess when we appointed him and he looked like a REALLY GOOD appointment at the time. Loved him to the end (although football was bit rubbish but you can't be picky) and felt that he should've had the chance to continue. CORRECT

Keegan - LOVED this appointment. Quality football for most of the time and we did really well with him considering the circumstances. It was time for him to go when he left as it was slowly starting to turn bit sour (especially as he had said he'd be quitting in a year anyway). MOSTLY CORRECT

Pearce - LOVED this appointment. I so desperately wanted this guy to be succesfull but the football was some of the worst I've ever witnessed in any level and this guy was absolutely clueless with tactics. EPIC FAIL

Erickson - LOVED this appointment. Football was mostly good and I felt we did pretty well/alright. In the end it was starting to go pretty sour mainly because of the circumstances but he brought right sort of flair to club. I can understand people who didn't like him too and some of his buys were suspect. NOT RIGHT OR WRONG

Hughes - Fucking HATED this appointment from the day his name was mentioned as possible target. After his appointment came Sheik and "the project". He was never their man and was appointed originally to do different sort of job ie thread water. He wasn't suitable candidate for that sort of building project as he had made his name ín doing ok with limited resources. There were ups and downs. Some really good performances but overall I don't think he ever quite grasped what was expected of him. Some good buys though. NOT RIGHT OR WRONG

Mancini - LOVED this appointment. Did exactly what was expected of him from day one. Shored up the defense immediately and then brought FA Cup and later League Title. Had a season of clear step back and it was slowly starting to turn sour. Still his record speaks for itself. MOSTLY CORRECT

Pellegrini - Overall pretty indifferent if slightly negative feeling.


Time for topic update from yesteryear.

PELLEGRINI - Not right or wrong. He always felt like someone who was keeping the seat warm. The league title was fantastic and two league cup wins were great but I felt he might've been able to do bit better overall. NOT RIGHT OR WRONG.

Pep - Absolutely love the appointment and feel like over the years will bring us trophy after trophy including European title. Excstatic.


I would have loved to see what Pellegrini could have done had he not only kept the seat warm. I think it's fair to say that his last season was spoiled because Pep was coming and in all fairness, I think the problems of the second season can at least partly be put down to that as well.

Loved his first season. It was such a pleasure to watch us play.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby patrickblue » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:28 pm

I do think Pierce is being done a disservice.
Although without a doubt his teams played the most abysmal football ever seen, he did keep us up when we should have been dead and buried.
And if we had gone down then, I don't think that the dodgy Thai, and then the Sheik would ever have happened.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby mr_nool » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:56 pm

patrickblue wrote:I do think Pierce is being done a disservice.
Although without a doubt his teams played the most abysmal football ever seen, he did keep us up when we should have been dead and buried.
And if we had gone down then, I don't think that the dodgy Thai, and then the Sheik would ever have happened.


If Joey Barton is the best player into the squad nd you stay up, you have done extremely well.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby nottsblue » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:20 pm

mr_nool wrote:
patrickblue wrote:I do think Pierce is being done a disservice.
Although without a doubt his teams played the most abysmal football ever seen, he did keep us up when we should have been dead and buried.
And if we had gone down then, I don't think that the dodgy Thai, and then the Sheik would ever have happened.


If Joey Barton is the best player into the squad nd you stay up, you have done extremely well.

And your best summer signing is a Bosman called Dabo!
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Mase » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:14 pm

mr_nool wrote:
patrickblue wrote:I do think Pierce is being done a disservice.
Although without a doubt his teams played the most abysmal football ever seen, he did keep us up when we should have been dead and buried.
And if we had gone down then, I don't think that the dodgy Thai, and then the Sheik would ever have happened.


If Joey Barton is the best player into the squad nd you stay up, you have done extremely well.


We stayed up because of players like Barton. People forget that.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:47 pm

patrickblue wrote:I do think Pierce is being done a disservice.
Although without a doubt his teams played the most abysmal football ever seen, he did keep us up when we should have been dead and buried.
And if we had gone down then, I don't think that the dodgy Thai, and then the Sheik would ever have happened.


Jeesus. The football was just so mindnumbingly terrible and he had absolutely zero tactical awareness. I like him as a man and loved him as a player but my fod he was in wrong profession as football manager.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:49 pm

Cocacolajojo wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:I've been supporting City since mid-80's but I'm not going to go that far. What does your track record with managerial predictions go in this site since you've been around and how did you feel about each of them?

I joined the site in the end of Royle era so I'm going to include him.

Royle - we were in deep mess when we appointed him and he looked like a REALLY GOOD appointment at the time. Loved him to the end (although football was bit rubbish but you can't be picky) and felt that he should've had the chance to continue. CORRECT

Keegan - LOVED this appointment. Quality football for most of the time and we did really well with him considering the circumstances. It was time for him to go when he left as it was slowly starting to turn bit sour (especially as he had said he'd be quitting in a year anyway). MOSTLY CORRECT

Pearce - LOVED this appointment. I so desperately wanted this guy to be succesfull but the football was some of the worst I've ever witnessed in any level and this guy was absolutely clueless with tactics. EPIC FAIL

Erickson - LOVED this appointment. Football was mostly good and I felt we did pretty well/alright. In the end it was starting to go pretty sour mainly because of the circumstances but he brought right sort of flair to club. I can understand people who didn't like him too and some of his buys were suspect. NOT RIGHT OR WRONG

Hughes - Fucking HATED this appointment from the day his name was mentioned as possible target. After his appointment came Sheik and "the project". He was never their man and was appointed originally to do different sort of job ie thread water. He wasn't suitable candidate for that sort of building project as he had made his name ín doing ok with limited resources. There were ups and downs. Some really good performances but overall I don't think he ever quite grasped what was expected of him. Some good buys though. NOT RIGHT OR WRONG

Mancini - LOVED this appointment. Did exactly what was expected of him from day one. Shored up the defense immediately and then brought FA Cup and later League Title. Had a season of clear step back and it was slowly starting to turn sour. Still his record speaks for itself. MOSTLY CORRECT

Pellegrini - Overall pretty indifferent if slightly negative feeling.


Time for topic update from yesteryear.

PELLEGRINI - Not right or wrong. He always felt like someone who was keeping the seat warm. The league title was fantastic and two league cup wins were great but I felt he might've been able to do bit better overall. NOT RIGHT OR WRONG.

Pep - Absolutely love the appointment and feel like over the years will bring us trophy after trophy including European title. Excstatic.


I would have loved to see what Pellegrini could have done had he not only kept the seat warm. I think it's fair to say that his last season was spoiled because Pep was coming and in all fairness, I think the problems of the second season can at least partly be put down to that as well.

Loved his first season. It was such a pleasure to watch us play.


Yes but it was just so clear from the get go that he was going to be goner sooner or later. Found really hard to really root for someone I KNEW wouldn't be around long term. But yeah, I will never forget the titles he brought us.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby patrickblue » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:01 pm

Mase wrote:
mr_nool wrote:
patrickblue wrote:I do think Pierce is being done a disservice.
Although without a doubt his teams played the most abysmal football ever seen, he did keep us up when we should have been dead and buried.
And if we had gone down then, I don't think that the dodgy Thai, and then the Sheik would ever have happened.


If Joey Barton is the best player into the squad nd you stay up, you have done extremely well.


We stayed up because of players like Barton. People forget that.


Barton was a huge part of us staying up that season.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby South Stand Balti » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:18 pm

patrickblue wrote:I do think Pierce is being done a disservice.
Although without a doubt his teams played the most abysmal football ever seen, he did keep us up when we should have been dead and buried.
And if we had gone down then, I don't think that the dodgy Thai, and then the Sheik would ever have happened.

I've had this debate once or twice over the years. I agre with your post and would go so far as to say we really should have a statue built in his honour at the Etihad. No idea how he kept that team up.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby freshie » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:38 pm

patrickblue wrote:I do think Pierce is being done a disservice.
Although without a doubt his teams played the most abysmal football ever seen, he did keep us up when we should have been dead and buried.
And if we had gone down then, I don't think that the dodgy Thai, and then the Sheik would ever have happened.


I thought he was better than Pearce
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:24 am

Loved Pellers.
As for Pep, so far it's a case of "The Emperor's New Clothes"
Although the appt did excite me originally and still does to a degree.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Cocacolajojo » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:27 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Cocacolajojo wrote:I would have loved to see what Pellegrini could have done had he not only kept the seat warm. I think it's fair to say that his last season was spoiled because Pep was coming and in all fairness, I think the problems of the second season can at least partly be put down to that as well.

Loved his first season. It was such a pleasure to watch us play.


Yes but it was just so clear from the get go that he was going to be goner sooner or later. Found really hard to really root for someone I KNEW wouldn't be around long term. But yeah, I will never forget the titles he brought us.


Carl called the biggest mistake of Pellegrini's regime: should have tried to replace Yaya after the first season in charge. No not sold, but not relied on him. Tough ask I know with one of the best players in the world at your disposal but nonetheless true.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby iwasthere2012 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:48 am

Cocacolajojo wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Cocacolajojo wrote:I would have loved to see what Pellegrini could have done had he not only kept the seat warm. I think it's fair to say that his last season was spoiled because Pep was coming and in all fairness, I think the problems of the second season can at least partly be put down to that as well.

Loved his first season. It was such a pleasure to watch us play.


Yes but it was just so clear from the get go that he was going to be goner sooner or later. Found really hard to really root for someone I KNEW wouldn't be around long term. But yeah, I will never forget the titles he brought us.


Carl called the biggest mistake of Pellegrini's regime: should have tried to replace Yaya after the first season in charge. No not sold, but not relied on him. Tough ask I know with one of the best players in the world at your disposal but nonetheless true.


True. But Pep is addressing that now.
I'll always respect Pellers for his double, but I am excited, by what I've seen of Pep so far. I don't think we'll sweep all aside this year although if we're in contention in the New Year, who knows what may happen.
But, I like the fact that certain things that we all saw as problems are being addressed and no player will be allowed get in the way of what is good for the team.
That's a start, but he has quite a few areas to address. Given time I'm sure he is the best man to get it right.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:05 pm

Cocacolajojo wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Cocacolajojo wrote:I would have loved to see what Pellegrini could have done had he not only kept the seat warm. I think it's fair to say that his last season was spoiled because Pep was coming and in all fairness, I think the problems of the second season can at least partly be put down to that as well.

Loved his first season. It was such a pleasure to watch us play.


Yes but it was just so clear from the get go that he was going to be goner sooner or later. Found really hard to really root for someone I KNEW wouldn't be around long term. But yeah, I will never forget the titles he brought us.


Carl called the biggest mistake of Pellegrini's regime: should have tried to replace Yaya after the first season in charge. No not sold, but not relied on him. Tough ask I know with one of the best players in the world at your disposal but nonetheless true.


And an ever tougher ask when you consider we couldn't increase our wage bill that summer due to FFP sanction.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Cocacolajojo » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:12 pm

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Cocacolajojo wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Cocacolajojo wrote:I would have loved to see what Pellegrini could have done had he not only kept the seat warm. I think it's fair to say that his last season was spoiled because Pep was coming and in all fairness, I think the problems of the second season can at least partly be put down to that as well.

Loved his first season. It was such a pleasure to watch us play.


Yes but it was just so clear from the get go that he was going to be goner sooner or later. Found really hard to really root for someone I KNEW wouldn't be around long term. But yeah, I will never forget the titles he brought us.


Carl called the biggest mistake of Pellegrini's regime: should have tried to replace Yaya after the first season in charge. No not sold, but not relied on him. Tough ask I know with one of the best players in the world at your disposal but nonetheless true.


And an ever tougher ask when you consider we couldn't increase our wage bill that summer due to FFP sanction.


I know, I'm not saying it was an easy task.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:16 pm

I know you're not mate, I was backing up your point on how tough it was to do that at the time.
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