Andrew Marriner

[Beefymcfc]

WTF was that last night?

[Nigels Tackle]

andre

[Wonderwall]

WTF was that last night?

disgraceful display, he should be ashamed of that performance, the independent adjudicator should mark him down.

Howard Webb wasnt even given a game this week and this joker was given our game?

We have got Mike Dean on Monday, I wonder if Jose will complain as he is a northern ref?

http://www.premierleague.com/content/pr ... tchWeek=23

[Beefymcfc]

andre

Is he fucking foreign!

How he came to some of those decisions last night is beyond me. From being so great to being kicked to fuck within the space of a minute was a disgrace. The 2 so called dubious decisions in our favour weren't even given by him, it was his lino. That first decision for the offside call resulted from undeniable foul on Zab's, followed by a undeniable dive by Rose and if the lino hadn't have flagged he would have basically given them 3 incorrect decisions and a goal for absolulely nothing.

The stamp on Demi, the stamp on Dave yet Yaya has a first niggle at a Spurs player and he's shown a yellow.

Definately had orders last night and anybody who believes that was some sort of impartial display needs their head testing.

[gmercer1]

Just seems every game the referee's make a real hash of some decisions.

I'm not sure if its me being biased but our players just don't seem to get any protection from the officials these days. Take that stamp on Silva just after half time.......he didn't even give a foul....never mind book the fella!!

Aguero is another one, I'm sure that if he played for the rags and dived he could easily have had 10 penalties this year for being fouled in the area, but he does he best to stay on his feet. He gets kicked to fuck but you never see him moaning!

[Beefymcfc]

Anybody remember the juggling act? How did he come to the conclusion that it wasn't a penalty?

[Ted Hughes]

We got nothing from him last night & the two decisions by the lino were correct.

The fact is though, we have suffered from shite refs all our lives & still get a lot of 50/50 decisions against & even 70/30 ones against but ten years ago ALL of the big decisions we have had in our favour this season, would have gone against us.

2 seasons ago the rags almost got the title thanks to refs/linos favouring them & shitting on us; it cost us about 12/15 points difference.

Last year was much less so but probably more than half of the big ones would have gone against. This season, we had a few big ones wrongly go against & a few for. It's evening out.

The profile of the club, plus the Ferguson era ending at the rags, plus the fantastic football we are playing, has all improved our ability to get big decisions.

[Rag_hater]

I thought the EPL was supposed to be a physical league yet when someone touches one ofr our players our fans moan and moan.Seems that we are turning into Gooner fans.

[gmercer1]

I thought the EPL was supposed to be a physical league yet when someone touches one ofr our players our fans moan and moan.Seems that we are turning into Gooner fans.

PL Physical?? Very rare now you get a good hard challenge that's not rewarded with a yellow card. If you fall and scream when a player is within 5 yards of you, you get a freekick.
Luckily we don't have to play that way!

[Duckman]

The gap between the quality of PL and the refs is so fucking huge...

City had 4 yellow cards last night, Spuds had 1...

Andre couldnt make the right call whole fucking night, and if there wasnt for the lino, he would have been even worse.

[Rag_hater]

I thought the EPL was supposed to be a physical league yet when someone touches one ofr our players our fans moan and moan.Seems that we are turning into Gooner fans.

PL Physical?? Very rare now you get a good hard challenge that's not rewarded with a yellow card. If you fall and scream when a player is within 5 yards of you, you get a freekick.
Luckily we don't have to play that way!

People go on about how players today are pussies,but yet fans want every bit of contact punished.Seems to me the fans are bigger pussies.

[ross.mcfc]

I thought the EPL was supposed to be a physical league yet when someone touches one ofr our players our fans moan and moan.Seems that we are turning into Gooner fans.

PL Physical?? Very rare now you get a good hard challenge that's not rewarded with a yellow card. If you fall and scream when a player is within 5 yards of you, you get a freekick.
Luckily we don't have to play that way!

People go on about how players today are pussies,but yet fans want every bit of contact punished.Seems to me the fans are bigger pussies.

100% agreed. One of my pet hates is fans chanting "off, off, off" at every tackle against one of their players. I utterly hate it when one of our players goes down and fans start booing because the opposition don't put the ball out of play.

Football fans get the game they deserve. This thread is about how shit the ref was which I agree with. He had to make two big calls last night and got them both wrong. Both worked in our favour.

[Ted Hughes]

I thought the EPL was supposed to be a physical league yet when someone touches one ofr our players our fans moan and moan.Seems that we are turning into Gooner fans.

PL Physical?? Very rare now you get a good hard challenge that's not rewarded with a yellow card. If you fall and scream when a player is within 5 yards of you, you get a freekick.
Luckily we don't have to play that way!

People go on about how players today are pussies,but yet fans want every bit of contact punished.Seems to me the fans are bigger pussies.

100% agreed. One of my pet hates is fans chanting "off, off, off" at every tackle against one of their players. I utterly hate it when one of our players goes down and fans start booing because the opposition don't put the ball out of play.

Football fans get the game they deserve. This thread is about how shit the ref was which I agree with. He had to make two big calls last night and got them both wrong. Both worked in our favour.

One can debate the penalty but not the offside.

Adebayor is offside under any interpretation of the rules either new or old. There is no room for debate; it's offside.

And the lino called both.

The one the ref got wrong was the handball which went against us.

[dazby]

I actually didn't think he was all that bad. Not the best performance but he let the game flow. Had he of ignored his linos I may have a different opinion, but I thought he was ok.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I actually didn't think he was all that bad. Not the best performance but he let the game flow. Had he of ignored his linos I may have a different opinion, but I thought he was ok.

I'm in this camp dazzler except for one thing.He didn't seem to be aware of how Spurs started to get overly physical in their attempt to get into the game.The "challenge" on Aguero wasn't exactly a straight elbow but I do think it was overly physical.Adebayor on Demechelis just wasn't spotted but was very deliberate and the stamp on Silva I also thought was deliberate and Marriner just wasn't with it.

I can sort of understand not giving the penalty for hand ball even though the guy all but caught it.I don't think he meantto do it but clearly his hands were not in a natural position were they? Shame for Edin as that was one of very few he caught perfectly.As for the pen given we might have been a fraction lucky there but I understand that very slow motion shows that Edin's heel was clipped before Rose got to the ball. Another correct decision by the linesman.

[Sideshow Bob]

unimaginably poor performance from that twunt marriner. strangely similar to Newcastle away, where the opposition quite deliberately attempt injure our players, but we get one "favorable" call (that was actually the correct call) and suddenly our win is tainted??

[Tokyo Blue]

I can understand missing one stamp but two stamps, a bloke catching the ball in the penalty area and an elbow are just too much of a coincidence. Sorry, but he's either remarkably incompetent or a cheat. Only he knows which. Either way he is not fit for purpose.

[Wonderwall]

clear as mud

What is 'deliberate' handball?

"Hand to ball or ball to hand?" Nothing stirs the passion like a controversial handball decision.

You've only got to look at players and managers jumping up and down enraged at a dodgy penalty to know that.

A ball slams into a player's arm and one team is screaming for a penalty, while the others are claiming it was an accident.

It's a tricky one for the referee to call in the heat of the moment.

So what is 'deliberate' handball?

In Fifa's Laws of the Game 2005, Law 12 says a free-kick or penalty will be awarded if a player "handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)".

Page 67 of the document gives "additional information for referees, assistant referees and fourth officials".

It adds: "Referees are reminded that deliberately handling the ball is normally punished only by a direct free-kick or penalty kick if the offence occurred inside the penalty area.

"A caution or dismissal is not normally required."

However, the document fails to describe what constitutes deliberate handball, which places the responsibility firmly on the referee and referees' assistants.

Former Premier League referee David Elleray said the referee's interpretation depends on whether the hand or arm is in an "unnatural" position at the point of contact.

"Referees look at two specifics - did the hand or arm go towards the ball or in a manner which would block the ball, or is the hand in a position where it would not normally be?" Elleray told BBC Sport.

"The challenging decisions are if the defending player spreads their arms to make themselves bigger.

"If the ball hits the arm then the referee must decide whether this action was to deliberately block the ball or whether the player has raised their arms to protect themselves - especially if the ball is hit at speed."

The referee and referees' assistants, therefore, have a matter of seconds to weigh up these factors, and take the appropriate action.

And there will always be at least one manager, 11 players and thousands of fans who will insist they have been hard done by.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

The penalty was 100% nailed on. Rose caught Dzeko's right heel with the inside of his left thigh before any contact with the ball, he also grabbed Dzeko's right wrist to give him leverage as he slid in and it's debatable whether he was endangering the safety of an opponent by going to ground from behind. I find it baffling that anyone can think this was an incorrect call and even more baffling that Andre had to wait for the lino to raise his flag before giving it.

What annoyed me more than anything was Demento Adebayor getting away with barreling Jovetic out over the sideline, pulling Kompany back by the neck and shoving Yaya off the pitch. Marriner didn't even so much as speak to him for these incidents.

[Ted Hughes]

I actually didn't think he was all that bad. Not the best performance but he let the game flow. Had he of ignored his linos I may have a different opinion, but I thought he was ok.

I'm in this camp dazzler except for one thing.He didn't seem to be aware of how Spurs started to get overly physical in their attempt to get into the game.The "challenge" on Aguero wasn't exactly a straight elbow but I do think it was overly physical.Adebayor on Demechelis just wasn't spotted but was very deliberate and the stamp on Silva I also thought was deliberate and Marriner just wasn't with it.

I can sort of understand not giving the penalty for hand ball even though the guy all but caught it.I don't think he meantto do it but clearly his hands were not in a natural position were they? Shame for Edin as that was one of very few he caught perfectly.As for the pen given we might have been a fraction lucky there but I understand that very slow motion shows that Edin's heel was clipped before Rose got to the ball. Another correct decision by the linesman.

His other leg catches Dzeko well before he reaches the ball, he was off the ground & it was from behind.

The ref booked Demichelis for going for a clear ball from a similar angle, because Adebayor jumped in front of him at the last second, yet going through the back of Dzeko with both feet off the ground isn't a penalty according to Dermott Gallagher.