Ireland Departure?

[Blunderer]

I am a City fan and it can't do anything good for City?

Are you sure about that?

I just think it's sad that there are a lot of people who seem to like stirring things up when they get hold of something like this or even worse if they just make it up as some do.

There are some things I think are a little sad to be honest, too.

We all support out club in our own way.

[brite blu sky]

what questions? I've answered every question but to me by every one of you.

ok

1. how did your 'contact' come across such info?
2. how do you know this 'contact' is credible? ( being on the 'agent side' is not enough )
3. how did you ascertain this person did/does not have an agenda to push?

I've got to be a bit careful with these answers. I do not wish to reveal my source.

My contact is very close to SI. But he is not his agent and does not work for him or with him in any capacity.
His credibility is rock solid with me over time.
his agenda is that he wants SI to stay at City.
.

with all due respect, you are not really answering the first question.

HOW did your contact come across this info ( if you didnt bother to find out, just say so )

from your other answers it would appear the agenda behind this is coming from SI or his mates acting on his behalf in 'his ( SI ) interest'. What do you yourself think? would you agree with this?

[Mase]

I'm pretty sure that when my dog was barking at me this morning he was really telling me that Ireland was staying. So I believe him. Sorry.

[TonyM]

Haven't had the time to read everything but I just wanted to say that Ireland played poorly this season because of one main reason IMO. we stopped using his runs. Countless times I saw him make fansastic runs and meanwhile Tevez, Ade or Bellamy had their heads down watching the ball at their feet. It's infuriating that we may now lose him. We should try whatever we can to get him back into the team and get players to play with him. We can afford maybe 1 (Tevez) to play to his own tune but not all 3. Our forwards even at the best of time lack true fluidity. They should know whereh each will be. So Ireland IMO is only a symptom of the greater problem that needs to be resolved. We need to become like a well oiled machine if we hope to progress and I think Ireland is a vital cog in that. I'd have him over Bellamy or SWP anyday.

[pepsi_dave]

Seems to me like a classic WUM line of someone who is trying to prove their credibility to make at least one more person believe what they are saying...... if you were really that credible you wouldnt feel the need to mention how long you have been around City Forums......

I've been around them a while, but I have never felt the need to state how long in order to try to prove my point..... If your point carries any weight then the point you're maiking itself is enough, to go and throw in to the mix how long you've been around the forums for makes you look, well, quite frankly IMO, pretty silly, and takes all credibility away from your point anyway!

Let me explain it clearly...

When you have been around a forum a long time you build up credibility amongst posters. When you are on a new forum then you do not have that credibility.

Have a look how many posters called me a "bullshit" merchant on the BM thread. One or two newbies, maybe.

And let me tell you, they rip WUMs and ITKs to pieces for sport on Bluemoon. You lot are amateurs in comparison;)

But why are you so desperate to get people to believe you, and why do you seem to have such a big problem with people doubting you... it's not going to change anything. So far from what I can see in this thread you seem to be responding to every persone who is calling you out..... you simply don't need to.... you've posted your info, so leave it at that, we're all old enough to make up our minds as to whether we believe your information or not.

It's the fact you keep trying to drum home the point that you're not a WUM that isn't helping your cause....

If you're bothered about credibility, why make a statement on a forum where you've made about 20 posts about how long you've been around for(you would only say this if you were trying to prove how credible you are, otherwise why make the statement), when by your own admission, when you're on a new forum you dont have any.

[Blunderer]

If you're bothered about credibility, why make a statement on a forum where you've made about 20 posts about how long you've been around for(you would only say this if you were trying to prove how credible you are, otherwise why make the statement), when by your own admission, when you're on a new forum you dont have any.

You're clutching at straws mate.

You need to reread the thread and focus on the real issues. Seeing as it seems to upset you, I pointed out I've been around a long time because someone said I was trying to "promote my name".

I don't need to.

I'm well known on Bluemoon and other City forums. There's someone posted twice on this thread who knows me from another forum many years ago who knows I'm not a bullshitter, once to tell you that exactly that.

[ant london]

I don't care what people on cyberspace think to be honest.

I care about Manchester City FC. And I care that we appear to be on the brink of losing a great talent.

Fair do's mate, I still don't see why you took the time and effort to come over here though. I definitely don't understand why it needs some other guy from Bluemoon to come over and watch your back too....daft. I know lots on here slag off Bluemoon and I've personally never had much of a view as the content is hectic and I never look at it but I've even less interest in hearing someone from another site randomly come on defending the ITK credentials of a load of other people I've never heard of.

However, for the record....to echo the point made by others....I think spreading this kind of "story" is a rather strange way to show that you care about MCFC as, to me, it can have no positive effect whatsoever.

[Fidel Castro]

Your saying this guy is some kind of agent.
Since when do agents know the starting line-up a day before the game?

[brite blu sky]

you will notice i am not questioning your credibility or slagging you off.. i am just trying to get what i can out of you to see if any sense can be made of your original claims..

so again..

with all due respect, you are not really answering the first question.

HOW did your contact come across this info ( if you didnt bother to find out, just say so )

from your other answers it would appear the agenda behind this is coming from SI or his mates acting on his behalf in 'his ( SI ) interest'.
What do you yourself think?
would you agree with this?

[Blunderer]

I don't care what people on cyberspace think to be honest.

I care about Manchester City FC. And I care that we appear to be on the brink of losing a great talent.

Fair do's mate, I still don't see why you took the time and effort to come over here though. I definitely don't understand why it needs some other guy from Bluemoon to come over and watch your back too....daft. I know lots on here slag off Bluemoon and I've personally never had much of a view as the content is hectic and I never look at it but I've even less interest in hearing someone from another site randomly come on defending the ITK credentials of a load of other people I've never heard of.

However, for the record....to echo the point made by others....I think spreading this kind of "story" is a rather strange way to show that you care about MCFC as, to me, it can have no positive effect whatsoever.

I came over here to debate this issue...

And to piss on the chips of your resident cynics ;)

I thought City fans might want to know this news, believe it or not.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I am a City fan and it can't do anything good for City?

Are you sure about that?

I just think it's sad that there are a lot of people who seem to like stirring things up when they get hold of something like this or even worse if they just make it up as some do.

There are some things I think are a little sad to be honest, too.

We all support out club in our own way.

Are you sure about that? Well no not exactly so please enighten me on how it can be good for City to stir things up like this?

[Blunderer]

you will notice i am not questioning your credibility or slagging you off.. i am just trying to get what i can out of you to see if any sense can be made of your original claims..

so again..

with all due respect, you are not really answering the first question.

HOW did your contact come across this info ( if you didnt bother to find out, just say so )

from your other answers it would appear the agenda behind this is coming from SI or his mates acting on his behalf in 'his ( SI ) interest'.
What do you yourself think?
would you agree with this?

I am not going to reveal my source, no matter how hard you probe.

I answered your question about how he/she came about the info - he/she is very close to SI himself.

I've told you what I think. I want him to stay.

SI has no knowledge of the leaking of this information. None.

He has leaked information in the past via forums but only when he wants the fans to get the true story.

In this instance he's not doing that. Hand on heart.

You all need to get out your heads that there is someone with "an agenda" at work here. Me or anyone else. I guess the people who say that are the ones who think that all the papers are "rags" or "anti city" or whatever other bullshit some sections of our support spout.

It really is simpler than that. You've learnt the information from the internet instead of the paper, that's all.

[DoomMerchant]

I came over here to debate this issue...

what specifically is "this issue?" Ireland or your reputation?

cheers

[brite blu sky]

I came over here to debate this issue...

And to piss on the chips of your resident cynics ;)

I thought City fans might want to know this news, believe it or not.

What news exactly? that you spoke to someone who you cant identify but is not an agent but is on the 'agent side' who told you something that is 99% certain, but you failed to ascertain HOW they got this info and failed to question why they were telling you..

is that the news you came here to debate?

[brite blu sky]

you will notice i am not questioning your credibility or slagging you off.. i am just trying to get what i can out of you to see if any sense can be made of your original claims..

so again..

with all due respect, you are not really answering the first question.

HOW did your contact come across this info ( if you didnt bother to find out, just say so )

from your other answers it would appear the agenda behind this is coming from SI or his mates acting on his behalf in 'his ( SI ) interest'.
What do you yourself think?
would you agree with this?

I am not going to reveal my source, no matter how hard you probe.

I answered your question about how he/she came about the info - he/she is very close to SI himself.

I've told you what I think. I want him to stay.

SI has no knowledge of the leaking of this information. None.

He has leaked information in the past via forums but only when he wants the fans to get the true story.

In this instance he's not doing that. Hand on heart.

You all need to get out your heads that there is someone with "an agenda" at work here. Me or anyone else. I guess the people who say that are the ones who think that all the papers are "rags" or "anti city" or whatever other bullshit some sections of our support spout.

It really is simpler than that. You've learnt the information from the internet instead of the paper, that's all.

Mate, everyone has an agenda, your gilfriend, your dad, the bloke delivering the newspapers.. if you are not savvy to that then you can only be naive.

Now one last time HOW, did the person you spoke to get this info.. DO YOU KNOW OR NOT?
if you failed to ask HOW, then just tell us so and we can all move on..


move along, nothing to see here..

[Blunderer]

I am a City fan and it can't do anything good for City?

Are you sure about that?

I just think it's sad that there are a lot of people who seem to like stirring things up when they get hold of something like this or even worse if they just make it up as some do.

There are some things I think are a little sad to be honest, too.

We all support out club in our own way.

Are you sure about that? Well no not exactly so please enighten me on how it can be good for City to stir things up like this?

I'm not here to act as a PR man for Manchester City. Vicky Kloss and others get paid a good salaries to do that job. I'm a fan. If I like things, I'll say, if I don't, I'll say. And I don't want Stephen Ireland to leave this club.

Nothing is being "stirred". Just like your training threads, their will be no impact beyond the wierd, insular, deluded, angry world of the football forum.

See it for what it is ,a piece of information designed to inform fans of what's going on behind the scenes.

[Im_Spartacus]

I dont actually see the issue.

Some people on this thread saying it destabilises the club, dont be so fucking daft, it is an internet forum.

We "know" from the press that United have been interested for some time
We "know" from the press that Arsenal have considered what he could bring to the side
We "know from the press that he may be the makeweight in a Torres deal

Its hardly fucking rocket science to say that Ireland could be leaving this summer given that he can't get anywhere near the team of late and has spectcaularly failed to live upto last season, and yet again has failed to adapt to the differing tactics of two more managers.

If he wasnt looking at his options, he would be a fool

I am sure that the OP's source is better informed than we are, however he has not told us anything we didnt already know.

[DoomMerchant]

See it for what it is ,a piece of information designed to inform fans of what's going on behind the scenes.

sounds like you've done your work here Blunderman, and you can go on about your business. I for one appreciate the information about what's going on behind the scenes. Riveting stuff.

Keep us updated as things progress would you?

cheers

[david yearsley]

DD/Blunderer
I wish to retract the unjustified generalisation I made near the beginning of this thread - it was of course borne out of the whimsical experiences I have undergone in perusing the much maligned forum, examples of which are too countless to mention.
You have managed, with no little expertise and verbal dexterity to weave, dodge , duck and dive through a plethora of seemingly impertinent accusations. For this you command my fullest respect. However you quite clearly are something of a conundrum , a real life "riddler" So I´ll cut to the chase

Without wishing to sound like a game of twenty questions ,are you a journo , be it of the tabloid hack variety or a broadcaster of some repute?

As for SI , I concur with much of what you say but now SURELY isn´t the time to be rocking the proverbial boat

[DoomMerchant]

plethera

is that like a greek isle? that's not a reference to anal, tho this entire thread feels like it.

cheers