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Re: Mancini

Postby Original Dub » Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:33 pm

the_georgian_genius wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:
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the_georgian_genius wrote:Redknapp over Mancini
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Just some of the insane OTT ramblings by modern day football fans on the internet after a defeat.

I'm off for a chinese, watch the X Factor with the family.

See you next week lads!

p.s i thought Zabaleta for Adebayor was a strange and bad decision, doesn't mean i wish we had Redknapp with his solitary league cup win though

What an absolute extreme arse. I knew I'd sussed you as a Roberto Rubber but tonight you've proved it; fuck the team as you say!


Yep course, cookie for you mate, Redknapp is on his way!!

Don't talk shit (EXCUSE MY FRENCH), don't lose any creditibility that you've earnt.


That's not my "idea", it's original dubs.

p.s i'm a football fan not a politican, i don't need credibility.


Hold on there for one second sunshine...

Redknapp has won the FA Cup with fucking Portsmouth and guided spurs into the champions league, with entertaining flowing football. The fact you laugh him off is fucking ridiculous, especially while defending Mancini like he's your fucking lover.

I didn't say I want him gone, I said IF this brand of football continues I want him gone, because (and here's the important bit you fail to address) in the premier league this season, from where I'm sat, we've only looked in complete control of maybe 2 or 3 matches... whilst playing extremely frustrating football.

That is NOT good enough for a top team, no matter how much you happen to like this guy.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Im_Spartacus » Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:38 pm

Thats quite a good point about Harry. He might be a dodgy fucker, but he does appear to be a solid manager.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Original Dub » Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:47 pm

johnpb78 wrote:Thats quite a good point about Harry. He might be a dodgy fucker, but he does appear to be a solid manager.


Well, I'm not saying I want him to replace Mancini, but the fact that this "genius" thinks its laughable and says so in the same breath while defending Mancini is ridiculous.

I like watching Spurs play. I don't like them winning and I don't like Redknapp, but I like the way they play. You most certainly can get into the champions league playing flowing football, so where this idea came from that HAVE to be solid as a rock and abandon entertaining football is total bollox.

I'll say it again, we're the richest club in world football and there is no reason why we can't try to play like Barcelona or Arsenal. Absolutely fucking none.
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Re: Mancini

Postby david yearsley » Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:15 pm

Original Dub wrote:
johnpb78 wrote:Thats quite a good point about Harry. He might be a dodgy fucker, but he does appear to be a solid manager.


Well, I'm not saying I want him to replace Mancini, but the fact that this "genius" thinks its laughable and says so in the same breath while defending Mancini is ridiculous.

I like watching Spurs play. I don't like them winning and I don't like Redknapp, but I like the way they play. You most certainly can get into the champions league playing flowing football, so where this idea came from that HAVE to be solid as a rock and abandon entertaining football is total bollox.

I'll say it again, we're the richest club in world football and there is no reason why we can't try to play like Barcelona or Arsenal. Absolutely fucking none.


Don´t like Harry either but Spuds have been together and playing that way since Jol and Ramos . The other thing about Spuds is they persevered with Bale when he wasn´t ready - now look at him. That´s made a huge difference to them. Imo we aren´t ready , yet , and as for comparisons with playing like Barca , come on!! Xavi , Iniesta , Villa , Alves and last but not least Messi have been together in some cases for years playing the same way right through the ranks
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Re: Mancini

Postby Original Dub » Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:21 pm

david yearsley wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
johnpb78 wrote:Thats quite a good point about Harry. He might be a dodgy fucker, but he does appear to be a solid manager.


Well, I'm not saying I want him to replace Mancini, but the fact that this "genius" thinks its laughable and says so in the same breath while defending Mancini is ridiculous.

I like watching Spurs play. I don't like them winning and I don't like Redknapp, but I like the way they play. You most certainly can get into the champions league playing flowing football, so where this idea came from that HAVE to be solid as a rock and abandon entertaining football is total bollox.

I'll say it again, we're the richest club in world football and there is no reason why we can't try to play like Barcelona or Arsenal. Absolutely fucking none.


Don´t like Harry either but Spuds have been together and playing that way since Jol and Ramos . The other thing about Spuds is they persevered with Bale when he wasn´t ready - now look at him. That´s made a huge difference to them. Imo we aren´t ready , yet , and as for comparisons with playing like Barca , come on!! Xavi , Iniesta , Villa , Alves and last but not least Messi have been together in some cases for years playing the same way right through the ranks


Its not only the players, its the style of football that Barca want to play. And arsenal. And Spurs. I'm not saying Spurs have mastered it, or indeed are on the same level, but they WANT to play that way.

We don't.

What I am saying is that it is proven that you can achieve as a team playing attacking football, so I refuse to buy into this "we need to be totally solid" lark.

We are the richest club in world football and that should be reflected on the pitch by TRYING to play that way. It may take time to achieve, but what exactly are we doing right now?
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Re: Mancini

Postby the_georgian_genius » Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:27 pm

Original Dub wrote:I'll say it again, we're the richest club in world football and there is no reason why we can't try to play like Barcelona or Arsenal. Absolutely fucking none.


and i'll say it again mate, Barca and Arsenal took years to get the style of play they play now, we are 10 months into a new project, TEN MONTHS!!!. Once Mancini has been here 2-3 years with a trophy in the bank then we will start to play like them as that is how Mancini sets up his sides, but you don't build a winning team by just telling them to attack and play nice football, a solid base is needed, something Barca have and Arsenal lack. Look at the players he has bought Silva, Johnson, Yaya, Balotelli - all good technical footballers, Kolarov and Boateng - two attacking fullbacks who like to attack but are solid in defending.

It takes time to build a title winning side, not 10 months.

Sacking managers constantly has not worked for 34 years and it will never work.

The sheik won't sack Mancini because A) he is good enough to win us the top prizes and there is no one better than him that we could realisticly replace him with and B) because he would have wasted nearly a billion quid in 2 years on 2 managers, yes a billion quid when you take it the huge wages on players for 4-5 years and he would have to give the new manager another £200m to build his own side, it is madness.

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Re: Mancini

Postby brite blu sky » Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:30 pm

Original Dub wrote:
david yearsley wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
johnpb78 wrote:Thats quite a good point about Harry. He might be a dodgy fucker, but he does appear to be a solid manager.


Well, I'm not saying I want him to replace Mancini, but the fact that this "genius" thinks its laughable and says so in the same breath while defending Mancini is ridiculous.

I like watching Spurs play. I don't like them winning and I don't like Redknapp, but I like the way they play. You most certainly can get into the champions league playing flowing football, so where this idea came from that HAVE to be solid as a rock and abandon entertaining football is total bollox.

I'll say it again, we're the richest club in world football and there is no reason why we can't try to play like Barcelona or Arsenal. Absolutely fucking none.


Don´t like Harry either but Spuds have been together and playing that way since Jol and Ramos . The other thing about Spuds is they persevered with Bale when he wasn´t ready - now look at him. That´s made a huge difference to them. Imo we aren´t ready , yet , and as for comparisons with playing like Barca , come on!! Xavi , Iniesta , Villa , Alves and last but not least Messi have been together in some cases for years playing the same way right through the ranks


Its not only the players, its the style of football that Barca want to play. And arsenal. And Spurs. I'm not saying Spurs have mastered it, or indeed are on the same level, but they WANT to play that way.

We don't.

What I am saying is that it is proven that you can achieve as a team playing attacking football, so I refuse to buy into this "we need to be totally solid" lark.

We are the richest club in world football and that should be reflected on the pitch by TRYING to play that way. It may take time to achieve, but what exactly are we doing right now?


Disagree with that, if anything we have shown signs that we do.

If you think that it si a matter of buying some good players and clicking your fingers then im afraid your not going to be dancing much Dub Step, Dubby ol chum. It is going to take time and some painful lessons along the way.
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Re: Mancini

Postby david yearsley » Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:31 pm

I think first it´s win then evolve into an expansive style with the confidence gained from that - that´s what Arse did pre Wengers youth revolution - they´re still to win anything since that policy was initiated btw! I tend to look at the way Chelski did it as our model - we´ve had to cram it into 2 years and that´s not easy
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Re: Mancini

Postby BobKowalski » Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:07 pm

brite blu sky wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
david yearsley wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
johnpb78 wrote:Thats quite a good point about Harry. He might be a dodgy fucker, but he does appear to be a solid manager.


Well, I'm not saying I want him to replace Mancini, but the fact that this "genius" thinks its laughable and says so in the same breath while defending Mancini is ridiculous.

I like watching Spurs play. I don't like them winning and I don't like Redknapp, but I like the way they play. You most certainly can get into the champions league playing flowing football, so where this idea came from that HAVE to be solid as a rock and abandon entertaining football is total bollox.

I'll say it again, we're the richest club in world football and there is no reason why we can't try to play like Barcelona or Arsenal. Absolutely fucking none.


Don´t like Harry either but Spuds have been together and playing that way since Jol and Ramos . The other thing about Spuds is they persevered with Bale when he wasn´t ready - now look at him. That´s made a huge difference to them. Imo we aren´t ready , yet , and as for comparisons with playing like Barca , come on!! Xavi , Iniesta , Villa , Alves and last but not least Messi have been together in some cases for years playing the same way right through the ranks


Its not only the players, its the style of football that Barca want to play. And arsenal. And Spurs. I'm not saying Spurs have mastered it, or indeed are on the same level, but they WANT to play that way.

We don't.

What I am saying is that it is proven that you can achieve as a team playing attacking football, so I refuse to buy into this "we need to be totally solid" lark.

We are the richest club in world football and that should be reflected on the pitch by TRYING to play that way. It may take time to achieve, but what exactly are we doing right now?


Disagree with that, if anything we have shown signs that we do.

If you think that it si a matter of buying some good players and clicking your fingers then im afraid your not going to be dancing much Dub Step, Dubby ol chum. It is going to take time and some painful lessons along the way.


Well not too many painful lessons I hope as I'm not sure I can take the pain of unrequited expectations.

Not sure about the Harry love either. Unlike most I quite like good old 'arry but he does have a lot of man love for taggart and seems intent on supinely losing to manu at every opportunity oh and correct me if I'm wrong but they are below us in the table and them losing against west ham (or wigan) is no different to us losing to wolves. Both are shite results so not sure where getting in someone like Harry would get us apart from a different set of shite results and a different set of posters starting threads like this one about how shite the manager is.

We are still some way off being greater than the sum of our parts and still have new players making their full PL debuts but there are glimpses of how it will work when it is fully firing and sometimes we look fucking glorious when it is on baby yeah; but at the moment we can either make the defence work or the attack work. To get both to work simultaneously that is the tricky bit and for that we need hard work and time oh and not to have too many painful lessons whilst getting there.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Slim » Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:12 pm

BobKowalski wrote:Not sure about the Harry love either. Unlike most I quite like good old 'arry but he does have a lot of man love for taggart and seems intent on supinely losing to manu at every opportunity oh and correct me if I'm wrong but they are below us in the table and them losing against west ham (or wigan) is no different to us losing to wolves. Both are shite results so not sure where getting in someone like Harry would get us apart from a different set of shite results and a different set of posters starting threads like this one about how shite the manager is.

We are still some way off being greater than the sum of our parts and still have new players making their full PL debuts but there are glimpses of how it will work when it is fully firing and sometimes we look fucking glorious when it is on baby yeah; but at the moment we can either make the defence work or the attack work. To get both to work simultaneously that is the tricky bit and for that we need hard work and time oh and not to have too many painful lessons whilst getting there.


While they aren't exactly paupers themselves, Spurs did not have hundreds of millions of pounds in which to put together a squad, we did and that carries with it certain expectations.

With the amount we have spent we should be looking at either entertainment or results on a weekly basis, it's a bitter pill when we get neither.
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Re: Mancini

Postby BobKowalski » Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:36 pm

Slim wrote:
BobKowalski wrote:Not sure about the Harry love either. Unlike most I quite like good old 'arry but he does have a lot of man love for taggart and seems intent on supinely losing to manu at every opportunity oh and correct me if I'm wrong but they are below us in the table and them losing against west ham (or wigan) is no different to us losing to wolves. Both are shite results so not sure where getting in someone like Harry would get us apart from a different set of shite results and a different set of posters starting threads like this one about how shite the manager is.

We are still some way off being greater than the sum of our parts and still have new players making their full PL debuts but there are glimpses of how it will work when it is fully firing and sometimes we look fucking glorious when it is on baby yeah; but at the moment we can either make the defence work or the attack work. To get both to work simultaneously that is the tricky bit and for that we need hard work and time oh and not to have too many painful lessons whilst getting there.


While they aren't exactly paupers themselves, Spurs did not have hundreds of millions of pounds in which to put together a squad, we did and that carries with it certain expectations.

With the amount we have spent we should be looking at either entertainment or results on a weekly basis, it's a bitter pill when we get neither.


Spurs have spent a lot of money over the last 5 years or so putting together a squad and then taking it apart and putting it back with er the same players and aside from the Ramos year in which they won the Carling Cup they finished 5th twice and have always been there or there abouts of CL qualification. Whilst they were finishing 5th we couldn't score a fucking league goal at home. We have spent a lot of money in very short space of time under two managers so as bbs says there are going to be fuckups along the way as every fucking team in the league has fuckups. We are not fucking unique or fucking exempt from the normal rules that govern football, life and the universe as a whole. What our money does or should guarantee is the minimisation of these fuckups and over time this will happen. We should be looking at entertainment or results or both every week but like every other team you cannot guarantee it and whining like babies over one shite performance and result ain't going to change that fact. We were poor. We got what we deserved. Mancini isn't making excuses and has to put it right. We all know it and if he don't put it right and we don't finish top 4 then in the summer he will probably be sacked. Or he will sack some of the players and get others in. One of the two. Personally I have a feeling that they will stick with Mancini for another season but hey what do I know.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:04 pm

Harry has a plan A, which is leather the ball at Crouch's head, a plan B which is give the ball to Garth Bale & hope he wins the game or puts the ball on Crouch's head & a plan C which is look puzzled & get beat.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Spurge » Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:43 pm

To sack Mancini would be a mistake right now, recent history tells us the same - look at Hughes and SGE, neither were given much time to let their signings bond and make an impact on a consistent level, yet we saw signs of what City could be capable of under both. Neither were given long enough to see through what they were striving to achieve. In the modern game Rome really does need to be built in a day it seems.

Every time we sack a manager another comes in and after a short time, the rebuilding process begins, millions of pounds spent on bringing in 'his' players. Then 12 months or so down the line there's every chance he will either be dismissed or will leave by 'mutual consent' and so the cycle begins again - a cycle which must be broken in order for City to begin to progress as a football club, instead of becoming the richest team of non achievers in the history of the game.

You can throw in all the money you want, it won't guarantee success, it's a TEAM game requiring a TEAM ethic/mentality, and without this we will just be a 'team' of individuals.

Whats going on right now at City, who knows for sure, but it seems things are not good behind the scenes. Mancini seems to me to be professional in his approach on the outside, what goes on behind closed doors could be something altogether different. As for his tactical approach, well whilst I'm not excited about the way we play at times currently (playing a lone striker at home doesn't always inspire for example) I think he is moving in the right direction. First and foremost he's going to be judged on winning matches - home to Newcastle, not pretty but he changed the formation at the right time and we won. At Blackpool we started with 442 and again when he needed to, changed the formation and we went on to win (we would have lost both last season).

We can't play the same way each week, we need to be dynamic otherwise teams will suss us out, equally the likes of Wolves and Sunderland will approach games against us very differently to that of say Chelsea and Arsenal. Both the latter teams style of play is more suited to that of Mancini's, which in a way makes it easier to set up against. (I think 11 v 11 we would have beaten Arsenal).

So Mancini (as any Manager does) needs to work out his approach to each game, based on available players, home or away, style of opposition etc etc. Someone in this thread suggested he doesn't know his ' strongest starting 11' and thats right, he doesn't, as it will vary depending on whats required to beat who is in front of us. He has a pretty big 'squad' of quality players and intends to utilise fully those players within the squad throughout the season, depending on the opposition or indeed the competition we are playing in. Therfore he doesn't have a defined 'starting 11' as such.

The one thing achieving success requires is time to get it right, several players arrived in the summer, the likes of David Silva joined up with the squad at the 11th hour and we are only now beginning to see how good he can be - how many games have we played in the league to date? Just the 10.

The biggest problem might be managing the egos of the players and if some of the recent reports in the press are true then much of the fans frustration should lie with the players rather than the manager.

It's not good to hear of the likes of Yaya Toure clearing off at half time to 'avoid the traffic' after being subbed (irrespective of whether he and Milner had fallen out). Whatever the reason for leaving the ground, It's unacceptable that a player on a reported £200k a week decides that getting home early is preferable to sitting on the bench with his colleagues and supporting those on the pitch.

The recent footage of some City players out pissing it up again just a day after a defeat at home to Arsenal isn't good, this after the club had already read the players the riot act after similar behaviour, shows a total lack of respect and a complete disregard for their privileged position. Some may argue that they were only doing what all lads in their 20's want to do, and were just having a bit of fun, but if the club has laid out clear guidelines then they need to abide by these end of. If someone was going to pay me anything like the wages these guys are on and asked me to keep a low profile where drinking/partying was concerned it wouldn't be a hardship.

Adam Johnson is case in point - this lad has it all in my opinion and can go as far as he wants in the game, but is in danger of pissing it up the wall - I really hope he doesn't.

So I think Mancini is doing ok at this early stage, he has assembled a good squad with depth, from which he can vary the line up as required and we should continue to improve as the season moves on. But ultimately we need to move forward together as a team in order to progress.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:22 am

Alioune DVToure wrote:I've just wasted 10 minutes reading this whole thread. Nowhere near as rowdy as it should be. Admirable tongue-biting from NQDP though.

Today was garbage, but we're still top 4 and can get back on track. As was the case with Hughes and Sven, I really don't want to see another change of manager. If we want Wenger-esque sustained results, we're gonna have to give one fella a run at some point. Managers will continually get undermined and we'll never settle if the management position is constantly under threat.

In a different note, if the_georgian_genius seriously thinks Ted is a poor poster, I'd say he's in a minority of one.


I only got to see the game on sunday because we weren't live on telly on saturday and rather than watch a stream I rather waited to see it on telly. Generally, win, lose or draw I've stayed away from this site during the games and in immediate aftermath for the reasons that I want to form my own opinions and see how they match with opinion of others.

Seeing as we are in top 4 I find it rather interesting how certain people found the time and place to vent their deep down feelings. At least I've never hid my true feelings about anything in the past. Starter of this topic mostly stayed away from football discussions for weeks when things were going great only to make incidental comeback after saturdays result. Maybe you should think about that?
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Re: Mancini

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:04 am

I reckon it will be a disaster for us to miss out on the time table of qualifying for the CL this season. Does Mancini inspire the faith that we will make the top four? Not for me he doesn't. We should be confident of victory going into games such as Wolves, Blackpool, Newcastle at home and West Brom. I'm certainly not though. I see nothing about him that makes me feel confident things are improving. In fact it is all starting to look a bit of a shambles.
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I don't believe Mancini will get us where we want him to and so I wouldn't be bothered if he went sooner rather than later. Can we afford him to fuck it up this season with all the financial restrictions coming, when the general feeling is that we need to qualify this time out or face a new set of problems?
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Re: Mancini

Postby saulman » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:16 am

Well I'm happy.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Dronny » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:24 am

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I reckon it will be a disaster for us to miss out on the time table of qualifying for the CL this season. Does Mancini inspire the faith that we will make the top four? Not for me he doesn't. We should be confident of victory going into games such as Wolves, Blackpool, Newcastle at home and West Brom. I'm certainly not though. I see nothing about him that makes me feel confident things are improving. In fact it is all starting to look a bit of a shambles.
It's a funny thing that when this board was so split on Hughes there were few at the game getting too worked up. And now as the feeling here is fairly agreed on Bobby, there are furious rows between fans every game. I wonder what that means. In 118 there is now definitely a fair bit of tension in the air.
I don't believe Mancini will get us where we want him to and so I wouldn't be bothered if he went sooner rather than later. Can we afford him to fuck it up this season with all the financial restrictions coming, when the general feeling is that we need to qualify this time out or face a new set of problems?


It's strange Piccs#1blue, for fear of being labelled a Mancini licker ( first mention perhaps or was that expression just reserved to bait people ref Hughes?) I don't agree with you mate. Yes the situation is devisive at the moment, but ffs we are 4th, we have a team that does appear in disarray - at times, but who the hell are we going to get to come in and take over. It's all very well folks saying get rid, but getting rid with no contingency is suicide.

We need to man up, stick 2 finger's up to all and sundry and grind it out. Time will tell, but if we don't get into CL then are we really that much in the shit? If Cook reckons we are only maximising 40% of projected revenue stream then surely the CL money is nowhere near the majority of the balance? Yes, I agree that it would be a huge blow but surely one we would have to address for the following year?

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Re: Mancini

Postby MaineRoadMemories » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:29 am

Excellent and thoughtful post there Spruge. Was a good read and mostly I agree. The one thing I do have a different opinion is this paragraph though. The only signing which was started by Mancini was signing Mario.

We have this committee nowadays of about 5 people at Director level and the manager who picks which signings the club should make. Milner, Yaya, Boateng et al were all on that list long before Mancini turned up. Therefore, any manager who comes to City has to work with what is decided by Committee.

Maybe its why some players aren't liking him at the moment as they weren't solely chosen by him?

Spurge wrote:Every time we sack a manager another comes in and after a short time, the rebuilding process begins, millions of pounds spent on bringing in 'his' players. Then 12 months or so down the line there's every chance he will either be dismissed or will leave by 'mutual consent' and so the cycle begins again - a cycle which must be broken in order for City to begin to progress as a football club, instead of becoming the richest team of non achievers in the history of the game.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:41 am

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I reckon it will be a disaster for us to miss out on the time table of qualifying for the CL this season. Does Mancini inspire the faith that we will make the top four? Not for me he doesn't. We should be confident of victory going into games such as Wolves, Blackpool, Newcastle at home and West Brom. I'm certainly not though. I see nothing about him that makes me feel confident things are improving. In fact it is all starting to look a bit of a shambles.
It's a funny thing that when this board was so split on Hughes there were few at the game getting too worked up. And now as the feeling here is fairly agreed on Bobby, there are furious rows between fans every game. I wonder what that means. In 118 there is now definitely a fair bit of tension in the air.
I don't believe Mancini will get us where we want him to and so I wouldn't be bothered if he went sooner rather than later. Can we afford him to fuck it up this season with all the financial restrictions coming, when the general feeling is that we need to qualify this time out or face a new set of problems?


Mancini will get sacked if he misses out on Champion's League. He knows, I know it and my neighbours dog knows it. Therefore "Mancini out of we miss out on CL" discussion is completely pointless.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:44 am

I don't see Ancelotti or Pep Guardiola as characters who are more likely to motivate a team than Mancini, yet both have won the Champion's League. I don't see any reason to question Mancini's motivational skills. A few weeks ago the rags turned in several performances worse than ours effort wise but nobody blamed Ferguson for the lack of effort, just the players. Whatever people agree or disagree about Mancini's tactics & selections, there's no excuse for players not putting in the effort, it's their duty to do it & shouldn't need a manager shouting at them.

All this talk by Mancini about a drop in workrate & effort does give us a problem though regarding Balotelli. He's a bit of a lazy twat & Mancini can hardly let him stroll around & then shout at the bloke next to him for not working hard enough. Is Balotelli ever going to up his workrate? If he does he'll be the best around but if he doesn't & Mancini favours him, that may well be the end of Mancini.
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