***Burnley POST Match Thread*** (split from Matchday thread)

[Foreverinbluedreams]

The defence is no better or worse than it was last season.

[South Stand Balti]

I'm not trying to make excuses given the apparent attitude on the field, but..........at the beginning of the season I was worried about burn out. We played 60 games last season and then there was the World Cup. Zaba, for e.g., played most games last season then went all the way to the World Cup final. I can't believe he has an attitude problem. Looks to me lke our lads have hit a brick wall?

I'm sure there is some truth in that, but not enough to excuse that, after 10 days off.

I can't believe the players don't care about winning. They looked happy winning the titles and cups etc.

'Not care' is the wrong word i suppose.

Not care enough to produce the goods when it needs a bit extra, is more apt. If we'd got a new manager at Christmas, we'd probably get 6 months extra effort out of them, & they'd look like Champs, maybe win it, before they start this again & he has to go.

That may be true but our recent history suggests the opposite. We have been good at the run in. We won the last six on the boune and last four on the bounce to win our titles. The attitude has always been fantastic on the run in. Why would it be different this year Ted?

[nottsblue]

The debate over how much control the manager has: the manager has ultimate control. If a player doesn't do as he is asked then he is coached better in training. If the said player continuously doesn't perform as asked he then should be dropped. If his attitude in training thereafter stinks he is sold. Yes, once a player crosses the whitewash the manager is limited in his output. But this shit performance by a number of our players is not the first time it has happened. Or even the second or third. We are surely at a stage now where some of these guys should be dropped.

One of the best threads currently is detailing the progress made by our academy and the various lads who are making a name for themselves. I cannot be alone in thinking that one, maybe two at a push, should be integrated into the first team squad at the expense of those players who are continuously not doing what the manager asks. The benefits would be fairly obvious in that everyone in the academy gets a massive boost and the young lad in question would break his balls in effort. The drawback of lack of experience, to me is a lesser evil, as we cannot keep playing the same 18 players, week in week out, at the standard they are doing.

In regards to who the players play for, the immediate answer is the club. How many are actually playing for Pellegrini at present? They were last season, there's no question about that. One thing the old pros always say is they would have run through a brick wall for (x). Bacon, Clough, Paisley, Shankly, Mercer, Allison to name a few. Even fucking Gollum at Everton. Would Yaya say that about Pellegrini. Silva, Aguero, Kompany? You have to say none of them this season. What has made the change then? Certainly the attitude on the pitch is different and is actually getting worse. I fear we need a large clear out in the summer and if we have to play youngsters instead and we treat the campaign as a bedding in consolidation period and we end up 4th without a trophy, I for one would be happy with that. It's not as if this season has been all sweetness and light after all.

Whether Pellegrini will be the man to be that ruthless and have the necessary balls to blood lads from the academy is another matter entirely. One thing is for sure though. The manager and the current squad as is will not be in situ next season

[Hazy2]

The debate over how much control the manager has: the manager has ultimate control. If a player doesn't do as he is asked then he is coached better in training. If the said player continuously doesn't perform as asked he then should be dropped. If his attitude in training thereafter stinks he is sold. Yes, once a player crosses the whitewash the manager is limited in his output. But this shit performance by a number of our players is not the first time it has happened. Or even the second or third. We are surely at a stage now where some of these guys should be dropped.

One of the best threads currently is detailing the progress made by our academy and the various lads who are making a name for themselves. I cannot be alone in thinking that one, maybe two at a push, should be integrated into the first team squad at the expense of those players who are continuously not doing what the manager asks. The benefits would be fairly obvious in that everyone in the academy gets a massive boost and the young lad in question would break his balls in effort. The drawback of lack of experience, to me is a lesser evil, as we cannot keep playing the same 18 players, week in week out, at the standard they are doing.

In regards to who the players play for, the immediate answer is the club. How many are actually playing for Pellegrini at present? They were last season, there's no question about that. One thing the old pros always say is they would have run through a brick wall for (x). Bacon, Clough, Paisley, Shankly, Mercer, Allison to name a few. Even fucking Gollum at Everton. Would Yaya say that about Pellegrini. Silva, Aguero, Kompany? You have to say none of them this season. What has made the change then? Certainly the attitude on the pitch is different and is actually getting worse. I fear we need a large clear out in the summer and if we have to play youngsters instead and we treat the campaign as a bedding in consolidation period and we end up 4th without a trophy, I for one would be happy with that. It's not as if this season has been all sweetness and light after all.

Whether Pellegrini will be the man to be that ruthless and have the necessary balls to blood lads from the academy is another matter entirely. One thing is for sure though. The manager and the current squad as is will not be in situ next season

Rested or dropped he has tried every player. It just looks a mess sadly he will be without a chair when the music stops, IMHO the captain cannot go under the radar, he has had a mare.

[City64]

The debate over how much control the manager has: the manager has ultimate control. If a player doesn't do as he is asked then he is coached better in training. If the said player continuously doesn't perform as asked he then should be dropped. If his attitude in training thereafter stinks he is sold. Yes, once a player crosses the whitewash the manager is limited in his output. But this shit performance by a number of our players is not the first time it has happened. Or even the second or third. We are surely at a stage now where some of these guys should be dropped.

One of the best threads currently is detailing the progress made by our academy and the various lads who are making a name for themselves. I cannot be alone in thinking that one, maybe two at a push, should be integrated into the first team squad at the expense of those players who are continuously not doing what the manager asks. The benefits would be fairly obvious in that everyone in the academy gets a massive boost and the young lad in question would break his balls in effort. The drawback of lack of experience, to me is a lesser evil, as we cannot keep playing the same 18 players, week in week out, at the standard they are doing.

In regards to who the players play for, the immediate answer is the club. How many are actually playing for Pellegrini at present? They were last season, there's no question about that. One thing the old pros always say is they would have run through a brick wall for (x). Bacon, Clough, Paisley, Shankly, Mercer, Allison to name a few. Even fucking Gollum at Everton. Would Yaya say that about Pellegrini. Silva, Aguero, Kompany? You have to say none of them this season. What has made the change then? Certainly the attitude on the pitch is different and is actually getting worse. I fear we need a large clear out in the summer and if we have to play youngsters instead and we treat the campaign as a bedding in consolidation period and we end up 4th without a trophy, I for one would be happy with that. It's not as if this season has been all sweetness and light after all.

Whether Pellegrini will be the man to be that ruthless and have the necessary balls to blood lads from the academy is another matter entirely. One thing is for sure though. The manager and the current squad as is will not be in situ next season

Rested or dropped he has tried every player. It just looks a mess sadly he will be without a chair when the music stops, IMHO the captain cannot go under the radar, he has had a mare.

Also Pellegrini,s refusal to blood young players in his term as manager . This in itself is incomprehensible with the resources we have as a football club .

[South Stand Balti]

I hate football, me.

[blues2win]

Interesting analysis by Redknapp of the goal. MDM clearly at fault for the original foul which gave them a chance. However, he blamed Hart. The angle of the shot and the lack of run up showed that it was going to be a cross rather than a shot. Yet Hart asked for four in the wall which wasn't needed. It meant that Fernandinho was in the wall rather than marking the man outside the box who ultimately scored. Of course Vinny's header out was a poor one which didn't help. That plus the non penalty really cost us. Still it doesn't really tell the story of the game. We had 21 attempts on goal. Sounds good but only 5 were on target. We really didn't test the Burnley keeper because we hardly carved out a decent chance. They worked incredibly hard defended deep and hoped for a quick breakaway or a dead ball to score. Week after week that's the exam paper. Sometimes teams do it better than other times. It's no use complaining about it; we ought to be good enough to deal with this approach and too often we're not. Today we didn't run out of ideas; we didn't have any in the first place.

[getdressedmctavish]

A few thoughts. Ya Ya is a great player who is key to how we play. But he is not motivated any more to play for us.As a result he is not making runs so no space opens up. He must be sold. Fernandinho is a talented player who can run shoot and pass. He is a serial bottler. He must be sold.Dzeko is shit and why we have started him recently I do not know. He must be sold.Navas is greased lightning who cant outrun fucking Ben Mee. He must be sold.The manager thinks you have more chance of scoring if you put as many strikers on the pitch as you possess. He is dim. He must be dismissed. Oh, and Cliché must be replaced. Hart, Kompany, Zabba, Silver, Milner and Aguero are good enough. Some big decisions required.

[Hazy2]

The debate over how much control the manager has: the manager has ultimate control. If a player doesn't do as he is asked then he is coached better in training. If the said player continuously doesn't perform as asked he then should be dropped. If his attitude in training thereafter stinks he is sold. Yes, once a player crosses the whitewash the manager is limited in his output. But this shit performance by a number of our players is not the first time it has happened. Or even the second or third. We are surely at a stage now where some of these guys should be dropped.

One of the best threads currently is detailing the progress made by our academy and the various lads who are making a name for themselves. I cannot be alone in thinking that one, maybe two at a push, should be integrated into the first team squad at the expense of those players who are continuously not doing what the manager asks. The benefits would be fairly obvious in that everyone in the academy gets a massive boost and the young lad in question would break his balls in effort. The drawback of lack of experience, to me is a lesser evil, as we cannot keep playing the same 18 players, week in week out, at the standard they are doing.

In regards to who the players play for, the immediate answer is the club. How many are actually playing for Pellegrini at present? They were last season, there's no question about that. One thing the old pros always say is they would have run through a brick wall for (x). Bacon, Clough, Paisley, Shankly, Mercer, Allison to name a few. Even fucking Gollum at Everton. Would Yaya say that about Pellegrini. Silva, Aguero, Kompany? You have to say none of them this season. What has made the change then? Certainly the attitude on the pitch is different and is actually getting worse. I fear we need a large clear out in the summer and if we have to play youngsters instead and we treat the campaign as a bedding in consolidation period and we end up 4th without a trophy, I for one would be happy with that. It's not as if this season has been all sweetness and light after all.

Whether Pellegrini will be the man to be that ruthless and have the necessary balls to blood lads from the academy is another matter entirely. One thing is for sure though. The manager and the current squad as is will not be in situ next season

Rested or dropped he has tried every player. It just looks a mess sadly he will be without a chair when the music stops, IMHO the captain cannot go under the radar, he has had a mare.

Also Pellegrini,s refusal to blood young players in his term as manager . This in itself is incomprehensible with the resources we have as a football club .

I 100% agree with that, would a younger player benefit from a season with this squad of very strange cookies, Balo was a front page nutter, this squad has as serious issues as he had. Almost a lack of confidence which as double winners is baffling. Brittle and flakey sums up

[Hutch's Shoulder]

I hate football, me.

Agreed. The only plus was that the late kick-off meant they could not ruin the early part of the afternoon. Our form since the first game against Burnley at the end of December has been appalling in all competitions.

[Goaters 103]

Players look like they've downed tools. Manager looks lost with nary a clue how to alter this situation.

It's inevitable change has to happen and quickly, both in the managerial seat and playing staff. This is the 2nd time in 3 seasons that our "stars" appear to have jacked it in on the season. Hang your heads in shame at that performance City - the straw that broke the camels back.

[guv111]

The debate over how much control the manager has: the manager has ultimate control. If a player doesn't do as he is asked then he is coached better in training. If the said player continuously doesn't perform as asked he then should be dropped. If his attitude in training thereafter stinks he is sold. Yes, once a player crosses the whitewash the manager is limited in his output. But this shit performance by a number of our players is not the first time it has happened. Or even the second or third. We are surely at a stage now where some of these guys should be dropped.

One of the best threads currently is detailing the progress made by our academy and the various lads who are making a name for themselves. I cannot be alone in thinking that one, maybe two at a push, should be integrated into the first team squad at the expense of those players who are continuously not doing what the manager asks. The benefits would be fairly obvious in that everyone in the academy gets a massive boost and the young lad in question would break his balls in effort. The drawback of lack of experience, to me is a lesser evil, as we cannot keep playing the same 18 players, week in week out, at the standard they are doing.

In regards to who the players play for, the immediate answer is the club. How many are actually playing for Pellegrini at present? They were last season, there's no question about that. One thing the old pros always say is they would have run through a brick wall for (x). Bacon, Clough, Paisley, Shankly, Mercer, Allison to name a few. Even fucking Gollum at Everton. Would Yaya say that about Pellegrini. Silva, Aguero, Kompany? You have to say none of them this season. What has made the change then? Certainly the attitude on the pitch is different and is actually getting worse. I fear we need a large clear out in the summer and if we have to play youngsters instead and we treat the campaign as a bedding in consolidation period and we end up 4th without a trophy, I for one would be happy with that. It's not as if this season has been all sweetness and light after all.

Whether Pellegrini will be the man to be that ruthless and have the necessary balls to blood lads from the academy is another matter entirely. One thing is for sure though. The manager and the current squad as is will not be in situ next season

Rested or dropped he has tried every player. It just looks a mess sadly he will be without a chair when the music stops, IMHO the captain cannot go under the radar, he has had a mare.

Kompany is a good time boy. He revels in the upside - being captain of the PL champions, being an international footballer, being able to speak half a dozen languages - but appears to offer nothing when the chips are down, Maybe we'd be better with a Neanderthal like John Terry who can actually do the job he is paid for?

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

The players can play to his system, they scored 150 goals doing it last season.

The majority of this squad is made up of the same players who won the league under Mancini and then proceeded to fuck up the defence of their title the following season. Tonight 8 of the starting 11 won the league in 2012. Whilst not excusing Pellegrini the players need looking at - it can't be a coincidence that history is repeating itself. The club thought that Mancini's hard-line approach was alienating the players so they brought in a manager who is seen to be more approachable and less distant yet the same old shit is happening again. Two differing managerial styles - one end result

Bang fucking on.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

For all the bleating from us, we know this bunch of cunts have previous ! To lose a cup final to a bag of shite, tonight is no fucking surprise to me, this squad need a long hard look in the mirror, we got rid of an abrasive character, we have a nice guy now with a noose around his neck. Players are a disgrace and have fooked this season off a long time ago. Winners do it every season, not like a tap when they decide, CUNTS who do not give a toss !

Completely agree. Thing is, we treat our players like gods when they are mostly expensive cunts.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

3 of my 4 favourite City players are Nasri, Toure and Silva. I hope 2 of them are up the road in the summer.

[freshie]

3 of my 4 favourite City players are Nasri, Toure and Silva. I hope 2 of them are up the road in the summer.

Nasri and Touré?

[Hazy2]

For all the bleating from us, we know this bunch of cunts have previous ! To lose a cup final to a bag of shite, tonight is no fucking surprise to me, this squad need a long hard look in the mirror, we got rid of an abrasive character, we have a nice guy now with a noose around his neck. Players are a disgrace and have fooked this season off a long time ago. Winners do it every season, not like a tap when they decide, CUNTS who do not give a toss !

Completely agree. Thing is, we treat our players like gods when they are mostly expensive cunts.

QPR and the cup final, were in my sad memory bank, the players have no heart and no fucking idea what we have seen over the years. We more than any fan in English football, know shite, we have been bred on it, and the attitude of Vinny and Co is disgusting. He looked like a sulking cunt in the tunnel.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

3 of my 4 favourite City players are Nasri, Toure and Silva. I hope 2 of them are up the road in the summer.

Nasri and Touré?

Couldn't pick them, but two need to go.

[sheblue]

The defence is no better or worse than it was last season.

its fair to say vinny and zabba are at least 50% down on last season. Clichy shite a lot too.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

The defence is no better or worse than it was last season.

its fair to say vinny and zabba are at least 50% down on last season. Clichy shite a lot too.

The defence doesn't just comprise of the defenders.

As for Vinnie and Zaba, 50% is a bit of a stretch imo. Vinnie's form was patchy all last season, not quite as bad as his most recent dip but nowhere near his best season for us.

Zaba was excellent from an attacking pov last season but his old bad habits in the defensive side of his game had resurfaced. This season the defensive side hasn't changed but the attacking side has lapsed quite considerably, in line with the rest of the team.

Clichy has arguably been our most consistent defender, toss up between him and Demichelis.