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Re: Corruption

Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:56 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:
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Beefymcfc wrote:Could yesterdays 2nd goal for the Rags be classed as corruption or just incompetence? What makes me laugh is that although there is a specific rule for this kind of offence, dependant on club the media portray it in a certain way and therefore re-write the rules and then trot it out as fact.

Take this one for instance. 3 players stood in an offside position, obscuring the keepers vision. As the FK is taken they rush out but are still 2 yards offside when the ball is kicked. The keeper makes no move whatsoever as he cannot see the ball and the ball hits the back of the net.

Now, in this instance, the rule states that:

Preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or challenging an opponent for the ball.

Is that not what they did; can it be seen any other way?

I think a similar thing happened to us this season when Lukaku was stood in an offside position (by a few yards) when the ball was shot from he edge of the box. The ball passes very close to Lukaku and our keeper doesn't know which way to move. Ball hits back of net - goal.

There were a few other decisions that game and I think it was Gollum who tried to argue that some should have been given, including the one mentioned above. Again though, why was this allowed when the offside player was clearly interfering with play?

It's like the 'Preventing a clear cut goal scoring opportunity' or 'Handball' situation, how many times have we heard a completely different line trotted out when a referee gets it wrong?


Van Gaal claims that he can't believe it was allowed but the players asked the ref if it was legal before the kick and the ref said they were allowed.

Yes again the officials incompetence is plain to see

I didn't know that and it makes a mockery of the game. If the fucking ref's don't get, how the fuck does anybody else?

Or was it 'Yeah, do what you want, I have my orders'.


To be fair, LVG sounded unimpressed with it.
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Re: Corruption

Postby Mase » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:11 pm

In the next derby I'd like to see us do exactly the same thing if we've got a freekick around the area and see what the ref does.
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Re: Corruption

Postby gmercer1 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:14 pm

Mase wrote:In the next derby I'd like to see us do exactly the same thing if we've got a freekick around the area and see what the ref does.

He'll send out 3 players off!
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Re: Corruption

Postby Mase » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:34 pm

gmercer1 wrote:
Mase wrote:In the next derby I'd like to see us do exactly the same thing if we've got a freekick around the area and see what the ref does.

He'll send out 3 players off!


For arguing with the ref I'd hope, as that would bring more attention to how corrupt the refs are!
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Re: Corruption

Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:02 pm

gmercer1 wrote:
Mase wrote:In the next derby I'd like to see us do exactly the same thing if we've got a freekick around the area and see what the ref does.

He'll send out 3 players off!


That would risk the match being called off; two reds and a yellow, and send the manager to the stands.
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Re: Corruption

Postby Beefymcfc » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:11 pm

Hutch's Shoulder wrote:
gmercer1 wrote:
Mase wrote:In the next derby I'd like to see us do exactly the same thing if we've got a freekick around the area and see what the ref does.

He'll send out 3 players off!


That would risk the match being called off; two reds and a yellow, and send the manager to the stands.

Nope, he'd still have one to play with, just in case we were winning.
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Re: Corruption

Postby Original Dub » Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:22 pm

It's alive and well.

Getting a bit weird now isn't folks?
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Re: Corruption

Postby Green & Blue » Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:37 am

Yeah just more of the same on the penalty decisions OD but on multiple occasions tonight.
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Re: Corruption

Postby Original Dub » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:45 am

Green & Blue wrote:Yeah just more of the same on the penalty decisions OD but on multiple occasions tonight.


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Re: Corruption

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:20 pm

Anyone think what the ref did today regarding the (lack of a) penalty was not corrupt?
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Re: Corruption

Postby Dimples » Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:12 am

For me football is and will be corrupt - until they introduce technology.

Watched England rugby game this w/e. Puts football to shame.
Ref miked, instant replays, ref explains why he needs help, decisions clearly explained, etc...

Football authorities pretend instant replays will ruin the game - it is the opposite - not using the technology is switching people off.
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Re: Corruption

Postby Dameerto » Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:30 am

Dimples wrote:For me football is and will be corrupt - until they introduce technology.

Watched England rugby game this w/e. Puts football to shame.
Ref miked, instant replays, ref explains why he needs help, decisions clearly explained, etc...

Football authorities pretend instant replays will ruin the game - it is the opposite - not using the technology is switching people off.

I completely agree.
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Re: Corruption

Postby Blue In Bolton » Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:33 am

Dameerto wrote:
Dimples wrote:For me football is and will be corrupt - until they introduce technology.

Watched England rugby game this w/e. Puts football to shame.
Ref miked, instant replays, ref explains why he needs help, decisions clearly explained, etc...

Football authorities pretend instant replays will ruin the game - it is the opposite - not using the technology is switching people off.

I completely agree.


Me too. Spot on with that, Dimples.
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Re: Corruption

Postby Crossie » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:18 am

There is now a slim window of opportunity with Infantino being appointed where he might be able to bring in some Rugby like rules.

This needs to happen quickly before he's bribed by the various FIFA regions who I shall not name as I'd seem racist.
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Re: Corruption

Postby Im_Spartacus » Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:11 am

Crossie wrote:There is now a slim window of opportunity with Infantino being appointed where he might be able to bring in some Rugby like rules.

This needs to happen quickly before he's bribed by the various FIFA regions who I shall not name as I'd seem racist.


Assuming he's not already bent, which is highly unlikely given his background
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Re: Corruption

Postby zuricity » Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:20 am

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Crossie wrote:There is now a slim window of opportunity with Infantino being appointed where he might be able to bring in some Rugby like rules.

This needs to happen quickly before he's bribed by the various FIFA regions who I shall not name as I'd seem racist.


Assuming he's not already bent, which is highly unlikely given his background



I'd be very, very surprised if this fella is clean ! No way , down in Nyon with weasel Platini for ages.
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Re: Corruption

Postby Dimples » Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:30 am

3 'top of the head' thoughts on the Swiss/Italian Infantino and cleaniness:

1. UEFA - 16 years working and being promoted
2. Swiss banking
3. Italian football

Leaving now to take a shower as I feel dirty.
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Re: Corruption

Postby RodneyRodney » Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:18 am

Blue In Bolton wrote:
Dameerto wrote:
Dimples wrote:For me football is and will be corrupt - until they introduce technology.

Watched England rugby game this w/e. Puts football to shame.
Ref miked, instant replays, ref explains why he needs help, decisions clearly explained, etc...

Football authorities pretend instant replays will ruin the game - it is the opposite - not using the technology is switching people off.

I completely agree.


Me too. Spot on with that, Dimples.


Possible light at the end of the tunnel . Pun intended.

Video referees in football 'no later' than 2017-18 - IFAB

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/35736241

A trial of the use of video assistant referees for "game-changing decisions" in football will begin no later than the 2017-18 season.

Technology would only be applied to key incidents concerning goals, red cards, mistaken identities and penalties.

The International Football Association Board (IFAB) says it has had interest in hosting live trials from 12 national associations and one confederation.

The news was announced following a meeting of the IFAB in Cardiff.

New Fifa president Gianni Infantino, who believes greater use of technology within the game is inevitable, called it a "historic" day for the sport and said the decision proved the game's leaders were "listening to football".

The IFAB, which is made up of the four British football associations and Fifa, says a final decision on approving the technology for use throughout the game will only be made following a thorough period of testing and an agreement on the protocols for its use.

Infantino said: "We cannot close our eyes to the future but it doesn't mean to say it will work.

"The flow of the game is crucial. We cannot put that in danger. That is why we have to be open to test."

In addition to the video technology trials, the IFAB has also decided to end the 'triple punishment rule'.

It means in instances in which the referee feels defenders have made a legitimate attempt to make a tackle inside the penalty area, they will not be sent off if they commit a foul. A penalty and, possible goal against their team, is deemed sufficient punishment.

This would not apply when the offence is holding, pushing or pulling, the defender does not attempt to play the ball or the offence would be worthy of a red card if it had been committed elsewhere in the penalty area.

Video referee
England's rugby union match against Australia in November 2000 was the first time a video referee was used at Twickenham
How will video referees work?

Will the natural flow of the game be disrupted?

The IFAB is determined this must not happen. At their news conference on Saturday, it was stressed repeatedly that if the flow of the game was hindered, the video experiment would not be implemented on a full-time basis. Logistical issues, such as when a referee stops the game for a video review, are the major reasons the IFAB have been so reluctant to say when the experiment will begin.

What about offside?

Ordinarily, referees will not stop the game to review an offside decision. However, there is a caveat. Goals can be reviewed so if there is a potential offside in the build-up to a goal, this can be checked.

Will we see it in Britain?

It is possible. The IFAB says 12 countries have expressed interest in hosting trials. Scottish Football Association chief executive Stewart Regan said the Scottish Cup could be the ideal vehicle, so it is fair to assume Scotland is one of those interested.

At which levels of the game will it be used?

This is still to be decided. Football has always been proud of the fact the game is essentially the same, whether it is played on a park or in the biggest stadiums. Technology, clearly, is not available to all. However, even at a professional level, not all grounds in all countries have access to the number of cameras needed to provide adequate cover to make key decisions.

Will players like it?

Generally speaking, those involved in the game - be they players, managers or officials - are willing to embrace anything that ensures more correct decisions are made. No system is 100% foolproof. But tight goalline decisions, such as the one that went against Tottenham in Saturday's north London derby, are now being made correctly because of video technology. Provided it is implemented properly, there is no reason to believe further improvement will not be made with the forthcoming trials.

Further rule changes

The IFAB unanimously approved a comprehensive revision of the Laws of the Game - an 18-month project, led by former English referee David Elleray. It is the most comprehensive revision of the laws undertaken during the IFAB's 130-year existence.

The word count has been halved and gender neutral language introduced throughout.

One of the amendments relates to a player who is injured by a challenge punished by a yellow or red card. Rather than the injured player having to leave the field, which gives the offending team a numerical advantage, the player will be able to have treatment on the pitch (Law 5).

The kick-off is also changing, with players able to move the ball in any direction, rather than just forward (Law 8),

There will also be experimentation with a fourth substitution within extra time, although the league or competition for the trial is yet to be decided.
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Re: Corruption

Postby Dameerto » Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:41 am

If they had any sense, that 4th substitution would be tried in the Prem and would be reserved for under 21's only, they could even link it to an 8th sub spot on the bench reserved for a youngster as well. Let's see if Greg Dyke is just full of hot air or if he actually meant he wanted to help the English game rather than just issuing a populist soundbite.
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Re: Corruption

Postby Wonderwall » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:37 pm

I agree that the fouled teams player should not have to leave the pitch. How do you control the play acting on field treatment. It's open to abuse and the final of the Champions League with Juve v barca will take 6 hours.

The leave the field rule needs to be policed very carefully.
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