New Super League

[Green & Blue]

If anything I thought City would have been one of the clubs to oppose such a move.

It’s a disgusting greedy move by all clubs involved. They’ve basically guaranteed their own future to compete at the highest level, what about all the other football clubs?

It’s very disappointing that after all the years of supporting City I’m in a position where I’m not sure I want to follow the path the club is taking.

[johnny crossan]

Just listening to the pearls wisdom of dripping from the SSN guests - the fact that this is simply the next stage of FFP has escaped them but they are now recovering from PEG just being given the push!

[john@staustell]

If anything I thought City would have been one of the clubs to oppose such a move.

It’s a disgusting greedy move by all clubs involved. They’ve basically guaranteed their own future to compete at the highest level, what about all the other football clubs?

It’s very disappointing that after all the years of supporting City I’m in a position where I’m not sure I want to follow the path the club is taking.

Hedging bets surely?

[Mase]

Lot's of Neville licking going on via social media. Understandable as the points he makes resonate.

He knew this was coming and knew many of the details, I suspect he has spend days, perhaps weeks writing that rant.

We can agree with him, but what are his motivations? A poster above mentioned that as an investor in a non league club, he has vested interests and loses out.

This (nicked from FB) sums up my doubts... "[Neville] works for Sky and they were the ones who changed football and made it more about money and overseas investors . Are Sky making the most noise as they don't have the rights to show the games yet?"

100% this. The guy is a walking contradiction.

[patrickblue]

If anything I thought City would have been one of the clubs to oppose such a move.

It’s a disgusting greedy move by all clubs involved. They’ve basically guaranteed their own future to compete at the highest level, what about all the other football clubs?

It’s very disappointing that after all the years of supporting City I’m in a position where I’m not sure I want to follow the path the club is taking.

Hedging bets surely?

I actually think they are, but that's hardly the point. City have tarred themselves with the same brush and have destroyed their credibility.

[patrickblue]

Lot's of Neville licking going on via social media. Understandable as the points he makes resonate.

He knew this was coming and knew many of the details, I suspect he has spend days, perhaps weeks writing that rant.

We can agree with him, but what are his motivations? A poster above mentioned that as an investor in a non league club, he has vested interests and loses out.

This (nicked from FB) sums up my doubts... "[Neville] works for Sky and they were the ones who changed football and made it more about money and overseas investors . Are Sky making the most noise as they don't have the rights to show the games yet?"

100% this. The guy is a walking contradiction.

He may be, and he's a total cunt, but on this, he's totally right, rehearsed or not.

[patrickblue]

And it's the club regarded by most as the total mercenaries, PSG, who've made the stand we should have.

[ross.mcfc]

And it's the club regarded by most as the total mercenaries, PSG, who've made the stand we should have.

PSG haven't made a stance out principle. The relationship between Qatar and FIFA is at stake here. FIFA's plan of a World Club World Cup every two years is now out the window.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Lot's of Neville licking going on via social media. Understandable as the points he makes resonate.

He knew this was coming and knew many of the details, I suspect he has spend days, perhaps weeks writing that rant.

We can agree with him, but what are his motivations? A poster above mentioned that as an investor in a non league club, he has vested interests and loses out.

This (nicked from FB) sums up my doubts... "[Neville] works for Sky and they were the ones who changed football and made it more about money and overseas investors . Are Sky making the most noise as they don't have the rights to show the games yet?"

This. 100% what I was thinking. Every cunt and their dog licking Neville right now. For me that was nothing but rehearsed poor theatrics.

[Hazy2]

And it's the club regarded by most as the total mercenaries, PSG, who've made the stand we should have.

PSG haven't made a stance out principle. The relationship between Qatar and FIFA is at stake here. FIFA's plan of a World Club World Cup every two years is now out the window.

I would prefer to be in there shoes right now.

[john68]

lots of issues here that go far beyond the moral issue of "It's the end of football etc."

I'm gobsmacked at the surprise of everyone that this is happening. Not just on here, I posted around 2013 that discussions had been taking place to form a Euro Super League. It had been confirmed by the ownwe of Galatasary and Agnelli, owner of Juve. So nowt new here then.

EuFA have been aware of this for years, as have FiFA, every national football institution and national league and the ECA. If I knew it I am sure as fuck so did they. SO ALL THIS SHOCK HORROR AND SURPRISEFROM THEM IS BOLLOCKS.

Another point I made shortly after our takeover was that our owners' interests at that time (and up til now), were/are identical. I warned that, that would not necessarily be the case and we needed to keep watch on where they might eventually take our club. Not sure anyone bothered to take much notice as we all rode the tidal wave of success....we failed to watch
I am also gobsmacked that posters on here are suddenly shocked to find that City have joined with the enemy to chase the dollar. City haven't been a football club for many years. We haven't been supporters for many years and those who believed the old order still existed must have been blind or stupid.
CITY ARE A MULTI NATIONAL BUSINESS AND WE HAVE MERELY BEEN CUSTOMERS FOR MANY YEARS. (MONEY MONEY MONEY)

As a business, City HAVE to join this group, there are far too many megabucks at stake to not jump on this bandwagon. Think Premier League and Swales, he had to sign up, it was the only thing that made financial sense at the time.

I'm not sure when City joined the enemy or even whether we were used bythe cartel clubs to batter UeFA for them and diminish UeFA's strength.

Interestingly, everyone seesthis as a Europe wide league. but that founders' list only includes clubs from England, Spain and Italy. As with the financial dealings when setting up the CL, France are ommited....Where are PSG?

WHAT ABOUT THE SUPPORTERS?.... Who involved with any of this gives a flying fuck for us. Football is a global market and there is a World of customers to conquer via TV and the written media. Billions of new customers, so who involved in this is worried about losing the realtively few dedicated fans in comparison?

While it may be horrendous to consider we have been written off, consider the next generation who will grow up with a Super Leagus as normal. We ranted against the Prem's formation but the very next season, we were there and our kids know no different.

Finally, those who still call our league the EPL are well out of touch. It hasn't been an ENGLISH PL for years. Owned mainly by foreign owners, played in by mainly foreign players and supported via the global media mainly by foreign supporters.
The Prem has been an international league, owned, played, and supported by foreigners for years. It is merely situated in England.

And like you, I hate every particle of this proposed shite.

Just a few thoughts

[ross.mcfc]

This is actually really positive for lower league clubs. Attendances will shoot up for them when fans from the 6 clubs stop following them and go and watch their nearest lower league team.

I was looking at message boards of both Celtic and Rangers fans this morning just to see what other fans were thinking.

They are absolutely loving the super league idea. Not because they believe they will ever be joining but because in the past 20 years they have had to put up with teams like Bournemouth and Southampton financially out-muscling them despite having a fraction of the worldwide fanbase. Those teams are absolutely fucked now without the bumper EPL deal.

I'd imagine that view is replicated by the supporters of Dutch and Portuguese teams. The other side of this ESL is a more even playing field outwith the elite league. These teams have been feeding on scraps for so long that the top table is so out of reach now that they couldn't care less what City, Real and Barca are doing.

[ross.mcfc]

I know this sounds unbelievable but it's true. I chatted with someone who is very high ranking member of FIFA few years back. He said that City were about to set this league up in a about five years. Seems to me that pandemic has speeded up the process.

Hello NQDP, great to see your name back on the board. Hope all is well.

I wrote an exceptionally long post in 2013 (I think) stating where this is all going. I believed we were behind the attempts to set up a World Club Football World Cup as a way of breaking the G14 monopoly.

I'm disappointed but not surprised we have joined in on this. I knew something was afoot when we didn't sue UEFA over the FFP case. The days after City's message was all 'water under a bridge'

Anyone surprised by this development has not been paying attention in the last 10 years.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Man City - Founder Member of the ESL. Matchday income is largely irrelevant, it is the dawn of the the digital supporter. We've got maybe 20k current fans who'd turn up no matter what and provide the illusion of a packed stadium I suppose.

This feller gets it.

Look, this is bunch of middle aged and older men (and some women) complaining where the football is heading. For us the "glory days" of football where somewhere in our childhood/teens and any chances will be considered bad. I'm as bad as the next guy, I hate fucking VAR, I don't even like Champion's League that much compared to league, I think FA Cup is a massive thing and having group of loyal committed fan in my opinion is the core of the club.

But that is NOT where football is heading. Do I like it? No. But that's just the way it is.

Look, my son, who loves the club as much as anyone, came home from school ten minutes ago with couple of his mates and started changing for their training. They are ABSOLUTELY BUZZING about this. Bubbly conversation going on about the amazing ties and all that. They are the ones who pay the stupid amount of money to watch that shit on telly and buy the Athletico friendship scarves or whatever. That is the future of the game. Unfortunately I have to say.

Now can we get rid of VAR at least?

[zuricity]

"No German teams will take part in the Euro Super League " lol - they banked on the 'Super' bit being irresistible to the krauts

Actually, since clubs are 51 fan owned in Germany ( with the unusual set up at RB Leipzig), there s every chance they wouldn't get it passed the fans.

[salford city]

I know this sounds unbelievable but it's true. I chatted with someone who is very high ranking member of FIFA few years back. He said that City were about to set this league up in a about five years. Seems to me that pandemic has speeded up the process.

Hello NQDP, great to see your name back on the board. Hope all is well.

I wrote an exceptionally long post in 2013 (I think) stating where this is all going. I believed we were behind the attempts to set up a World Club Football World Cup as a way of breaking the G14 monopoly.

I'm disappointed but not surprised we have joined in on this. I knew something was afoot when we didn't sue UEFA over the FFP case. The days after City's message was all 'water under a bridge'

Anyone surprised by this development has not been paying attention in the last 10 years.

Pretty much my view of this. We were always going to be a part of any proposed break away thereis too much money on offer not to be. Do i like it do i fuck but it will come in in one guise or another

[Dameerto]

And it's the club regarded by most as the total mercenaries, PSG, who've made the stand we should have.

PSG haven't made a stance out principle. The relationship between Qatar and FIFA is at stake here. FIFA's plan of a World Club World Cup every two years is now out the window.

They're also the only club in the semi finals of the Champion's League that isn't (at the moment, at least) involved in the Super League - I think this is probably the biggest thing in their decision not to joing just yet. I would expect to see them added at the end of the season if the others get expelled and they inherit the win.

[ross.mcfc]

lots of issues here that go far beyond the moral issue of "It's the end of football etc."

I'm gobsmacked at the surprise of everyone that this is happening. Not just on here, I posted around 2013 that discussions had been taking place to form a Euro Super League. It had been confirmed by the ownwe of Galatasary and Agnelli, owner of Juve. So nowt new here then.

EuFA have been aware of this for years, as have FiFA, every national football institution and national league and the ECA. If I knew it I am sure as fuck so did they. SO ALL THIS SHOCK HORROR AND SURPRISEFROM THEM IS BOLLOCKS.

Another point I made shortly after our takeover was that our owners' interests at that time (and up til now), were/are identical. I warned that, that would not necessarily be the case and we needed to keep watch on where they might eventually take our club. Not sure anyone bothered to take much notice as we all rode the tidal wave of success....we failed to watch
I am also gobsmacked that posters on here are suddenly shocked to find that City have joined with the enemy to chase the dollar. City haven't been a football club for many years. We haven't been supporters for many years and those who believed the old order still existed must have been blind or stupid.
CITY ARE A MULTI NATIONAL BUSINESS AND WE HAVE MERELY BEEN CUSTOMERS FOR MANY YEARS. (MONEY MONEY MONEY)

As a business, City HAVE to join this group, there are far too many megabucks at stake to not jump on this bandwagon. Think Premier League and Swales, he had to sign up, it was the only thing that made financial sense at the time.

I'm not sure when City joined the enemy or even whether we were used bythe cartel clubs to batter UeFA for them and diminish UeFA's strength.

Interestingly, everyone seesthis as a Europe wide league. but that founders' list only includes clubs from England, Spain and Italy. As with the financial dealings when setting up the CL, France are ommited....Where are PSG?

WHAT ABOUT THE SUPPORTERS?.... Who involved with any of this gives a flying fuck for us. Football is a global market and there is a World of customers to conquer via TV and the written media. Billions of new customers, so who involved in this is worried about losing the realtively few dedicated fans in comparison?

While it may be horrendous to consider we have been written off, consider the next generation who will grow up with a Super Leagus as normal. We ranted against the Prem's formation but the very next season, we were there and our kids know no different.

Finally, those who still call our league the EPL are well out of touch. It hasn't been an ENGLISH PL for years. Owned mainly by foreign owners, played in by mainly foreign players and supported via the global media mainly by foreign supporters.
The Prem has been an international league, owned, played, and supported by foreigners for years. It is merely situated in England.

And like you, I hate every particle of this proposed shite.

Just a few thoughts

Agree with almost all of this John. Some questions for you and others.

First City game in this new tournament against Athletico Madrid on a Tuesday night at 6pm. Full house of not?

The new broadcaster will be a global player. I'm thinking either Amazon or DAZN. They could also set up a WWE network type thing on their own. It will cost £9.99 a month compared to £90 odd quid for BT and Sky. Will City fans subscribe to the new format in bigger numbers than the current broadcasters?

If CIty needs to fulfill an EPL TV contract but plays a B-Team in a domestic league. Will you attend? Or will the ESL now take priority?

How do you feel about franchise clubs eventually joining this league be it an American side or a completely new Moscow or Dubai side? The IPL has already shown you can make teams up out of nothing. If the product is good, the average fan doesn't care.

[john68]

City have known about this for years.

I believe at the start, City were on the outside and understood quickly that they need financially to be on the inside.
I look at our business dealings globally, buying clubs in every area of the globe, the partnerships and sponsorships also.City gaining a presence and preparing the financial way by drawing in local support World wide.

You and me may hate it , but our kids will love it.

[Hazy2]

Can’t help but think the scousers and Scum have pushed the button media to stop us joining the CL winners list. Far fetched , it’s scousers and the scum.....