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Re: Abramovich

Postby dave watson's perm » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:18 am

Thought it wouldn't be long before Boris got a mention......
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Re: Abramovich

Postby Mase » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:25 am

dave watson's perm wrote:Thought it wouldn't be long before Boris got a mention......


Crazy isn’t it. UK Gov done the correct thing and seized assets, but somehow this is Boris’ fault and is wrong :lol:
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Re: Abramovich

Postby johnny crossan » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:28 am

Mase wrote:
dave watson's perm wrote:Thought it wouldn't be long before Boris got a mention......


Crazy isn’t it. UK Gov done the correct thing and seized assets, but somehow this is Boris’ fault and is wrong :lol:
probably listens to that headcase James O'Brien on LBC - goodness that man really needs help (and execution)
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Re: Abramovich

Postby City64 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:40 am

Mase wrote:
dave watson's perm wrote:Thought it wouldn't be long before Boris got a mention......


Crazy isn’t it. UK Gov done the correct thing and seized assets, but somehow this is Boris’ fault and is wrong :lol:

Let Abramovich move his money out of the UK then freeze his assets 2 weeks later yeah a huge difference. Now then what about what happened in Salisbury a couple of years ago …..
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Re: Abramovich

Postby City64 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:56 am

johnny crossan wrote:
Mase wrote:
dave watson's perm wrote:Thought it wouldn't be long before Boris got a mention......


Crazy isn’t it. UK Gov done the correct thing and seized assets, but somehow this is Boris’ fault and is wrong :lol:
probably listens to that headcase James O'Brien on LBC - goodness that man really needs help (and execution)

We could always dig deep into why Carole Cadwalladr was silenced by the UK government for exposing its Russian connections and funding before she was cleared by the UK high court a couple of months ago . Over the heads of many on here !
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Re: Abramovich

Postby City64 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:04 pm

All said and done catastrophic for Chelsea FC but Abramovich has had a 2 week window to get his money out of the UK .
Wonder if any “journos” will still bang on about sportswashing after the Abramovich era ??? Nah all brushed under the carpet !
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Re: Abramovich

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:32 pm

City64 wrote:All said and done catastrophic for Chelsea FC but Abramovich has had a 2 week window to get his money out of the UK .
Wonder if any “journos” will still bang on about sportswashing after the Abramovich era ??? Nah all brushed under the carpet !


Most billionaires have more assets / shares than cash....trust me..hes being fucked by a brolly that's fully open.
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Re: Abramovich

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:33 pm

johnny crossan wrote:
Mase wrote:
dave watson's perm wrote:Thought it wouldn't be long before Boris got a mention......


Crazy isn’t it. UK Gov done the correct thing and seized assets, but somehow this is Boris’ fault and is wrong :lol:
probably listens to that headcase James O'Brien on LBC - goodness that man really needs help (and execution)


Just the mere mention of that utter gutter scum cunt from LBC makes my teeth itch.
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Re: Abramovich

Postby stupot » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:39 pm

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stupot wrote:So if we get them in the Champions League we can't get any tickets


Until further notice only season ticket holders and those who bought tickets to up coming games purchased before 10th March can attend games. All other ticket sales stopped until further notice.

They are basically stopping any income to the club.

Their quarter final home leg assuming they get through will basically be behind closed doors.
Likewise the FA will suffer if they get to the FA Cup semi at Wembley and it's half full.
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Re: Abramovich

Postby sheblue » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:40 pm

What an embarrassing mess this for Chelsea
Lets hope the UAE don't decide to invade and butcher innocent children any time soon.
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Re: Abramovich

Postby john@staustell » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:54 pm

sheblue wrote:What an embarrassing mess this for Chelsea
Lets hope the UAE don't decide to invade and butcher innocent children any time soon.


Unlikely I hope
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Re: Abramovich

Postby hayling22 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:58 pm

Another way for the Rags to get 4th spot!
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Re: Abramovich

Postby Indianablue » Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:02 pm

johnny crossan wrote:
Mase wrote:
dave watson's perm wrote:Thought it wouldn't be long before Boris got a mention......


Crazy isn’t it. UK Gov done the correct thing and seized assets, but somehow this is Boris’ fault and is wrong :lol:
probably listens to that headcase James O'Brien on LBC - goodness that man really needs help (and execution)

Don't loath many people but I could gladly hit O Brien with a mallett
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Re: Abramovich

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:21 pm

Indianablue wrote:
johnny crossan wrote:
Mase wrote:
dave watson's perm wrote:Thought it wouldn't be long before Boris got a mention......


Crazy isn’t it. UK Gov done the correct thing and seized assets, but somehow this is Boris’ fault and is wrong :lol:
probably listens to that headcase James O'Brien on LBC - goodness that man really needs help (and execution)

Don't loath many people but I could gladly hit O Brien with a mallett


He definitely had teachers pulling his ears when he was in school.....hes fucking deformed now.
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Re: Abramovich

Postby PeterParker » Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:50 pm

Sadly, the Chelsea fans are the ones affected by all this.

Can they relegate them?
Basically, I understand that players and staff cannot be paid anymore, surely they have clauses that mean they can become free agents if they don't receive a certain amount of salaries, so what's next?
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Re: Abramovich

Postby johnny crossan » Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:52 pm

Just listened to Roan clone senior reporter Laura Scott on the lunchtime news with a piece of classic BBC false equivalence in their Chavs story
"some fans will feel hard done by the government
while others will feel there was no other choice"


where some fans = 99.99%
and others = the rest (mostly BBC employees)

truly astonishing what these jokers habitually get away with
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Re: Abramovich

Postby john@staustell » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:12 pm

PeterParker wrote:Sadly, the Chelsea fans are the ones affected by all this.

Can they relegate them?
Basically, I understand that players and staff cannot be paid anymore, surely they have clauses that mean they can become free agents if they don't receive a certain amount of salaries, so what's next?



Staff can of course be paid, but might have to travel to Newcastle by bus. SKY:

Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich has been sanctioned by the UK government - meaning he is now unable to sell the club.

Abramovich has had "his assets frozen, a prohibition on transactions with UK individuals and businesses, a travel ban and transport sanctions" imposed on him.

The sanctions are intended to stop the 55-year-old from making any money in the UK - and this includes from Chelsea. An application to the UK government can be made to sell Chelsea in the future as long as Russian-Israeli billionaire Abramovich does not profit or make any money from the transaction.

The government has granted Chelsea a special licence to allow fixtures to be fulfilled, staff to be paid and existing ticket holders to attend matches.

But all Chelsea teams are now banned from:

Offering new contracts to players or staff - Antonio Rudiger, Andreas Christensen and Cesar Azpilicueta see their deals expire on June 30
Conducting any official transfer business, including women's team
Selling new tickets to any game for any of their teams - including women and junior sides (season-ticket holders and existing ticket holders only)
Selling merchandise to fans (existing merchandise can be sold via third parties)
No stadium work or redevelopment
Spending over £500,000 on security, stewarding and catering costs per home match and over £20,000 expenses per away games
Nadine Dorries, the minister for Sport and Culture, tweeted: "I know this brings some uncertainty, but the Government will work with the league & clubs to keep football being played while ensuring sanctions hit those intended. Football clubs are cultural assets and the bedrock of our communities. We're committed to protecting them."

A government statement said: "Given the significant impact that today's sanctions would have on Chelsea football club and the potential knock-on effects of this, the Government has this morning published a licence which authorises a number of football-related activities to continue at Chelsea.

"This includes permissions for the club to continue playing matches and other football-related activity which will in turn protect the Premier League, the wider football pyramid, loyal fans and other clubs. This licence will only allow certain explicitly named actions to ensure the designated individual is not able to circumvent UK sanctions. The licence will be kept under constant review and we will work closely with the football authorities."

Chelsea released a statement nearly five hours after the news broke, saying: "We will fulfil our men's and women's team fixtures today against Norwich and West Ham, respectively, and intend to engage in discussions with the UK Government regarding the scope of the licence.

"This will include seeking permission for the licence to be amended in order to allow the Club to operate as normal as possible. We will also be seeking guidance from the UK Government on the impact of these measures on the Chelsea Foundation and its important work in our communities."

Sky Sports News understands that Chelsea and government officials will meet on Thursday.

Chelsea can continue to operate but club is in limbo
Sky Sports News' chief reporter Kaveh Solhekol:

The sale is on hold for the time being. Roman Abramovich will not be able to sell Chelsea. From the beginning of this process, he's been on the back foot, he's not been in control of this situation - the government has.

He came up with the scheme to hand over control but not ownership of the club to the trustees of the Chelsea Foundation charity. That didn't work, so he released a statement saying he wished to sell the club, and that all proceeds would go to a new foundation that he would set up to help all victims of the war in Ukraine.

That's what he wanted to do, but all along there has been the threat of the UK imposing sanctions on him. He's now not allowed to make any money in the UK, and won't be able to sell Chelsea.

But Chelsea is seen by the government as being a significant cultural asset, thereby they've given Chelsea a licence. So despite the sanctions, they can carry on operating, fulfilling their fixtures.

But effectively, they are in limbo. There are a lot of things they can't do.

They can carry on paying their players, but they will not be able to make new signings. They can't sell tickets for games, so only season ticket holders or people who already have bought tickets can go to games.

They won't be able to make any money from merchandise. They'll be able to carry on paying their players and day-to-day bills.

It goes into detail, even about how much money they can spend on travel to away games. Per team at the club, they can spend up to £20,000 on travel. For home games, they can spend up to £500,000 per game on security, catering and stewarding, but no more than that.

What this means for Abramovich is that Chelsea is now effectively out of his control now. It is operating under a special licence now, and that licence will be continually reviewed.

For Chelsea as a club, in the short-term, they can continue to operate on a match-by-match basis, but long-term things are very, very uncertain.

We will get into things like player contracts, the transfer window opening, whether players who are out of contract will want to stay at the club, whether the big-star players will want to stay.

The staff will carry on being paid, the government have made that clear.

If you go to a game at Stamford Bridge, I imagine you'll still be able to buy food and drink, but you won't be able to buy anything from the club shop.

If you don't have a ticket, you won't be able to watch Chelsea, unless you go to away games. It's a lot to digest for Chelsea supporters.

A lot of people will be saying they feel sorry for Chelsea supporters, but they're not the victims here, there are far more important things going on in the world than football at the moment.

What does this mean for the sale of Chelsea?
Stephen Taylor Heath, sports lawyer:

The short answer is, no he can't [sell the club]. The freezing of an asset literally means the freezing of an asset. Chelsea is a physical item, there is lots of organic parts to the club, unlike a yacht, and that is why the government has issued a special licence which effectively means the club can continue trading and operating based on its current commitments and obligations.

So the current season-ticket holders can attend games because they've already contracted with the club, spectators who want to buy tickets for games can't because that is a new transaction.

That is at one level, new players would be another new contract, even potentially new contracts with existing players could be new contracts. And clearly what would be a new contract would be the sale of the club.

So in short, based on this freezing order, no he can't sell the club. Now if the government is prepared to give a special licence in relation to the operation of the club, then the question is whether they would then give another special licence in relation to the sale of the club.

But based on the terms of this freezing order, no he can't.

There is a real question over the short-term sustainability of Chelsea FC as while they can receive prize money and TV money, but they are banned from selling new tickets, they can carry on receiving money from season-ticket holders who have not quite completed the purchase of their season tickets yet.

But that is not going to bring in a lot of cash, so that is the question I would want answering from the football club - how much cash do they have to continue paying and running their day-to-day operations?

The last accounts were published just after Christmas and that covered the period up until the end of June last year - there was some cash on the balance sheet, but those figures are just a snapshot from last year.

We do not know how much cash Chelsea are currently sitting on, how much cash they have available to meet their present outgoings. So without knowing the detail behind that, you would have to speculate that the club may have some difficulty meeting its bills and potentially paying wages in due course. And that would be the real concern.

A Chelsea Supporters' Trust Spokesperson said: "The CST notes with concern the Government's statement regarding the owner. Supporters must be involved in any conversation regarding ongoing impacts on the club and its global fan base.

"The CST implores the Government to conduct a swift process to minimise the uncertainty over Chelsea's future, for supporters and for supporters to be given a golden share as part of a sale of the club."

The Premier League said in a statement: "Following the UK Government's announcement that sanctions have been imposed against Roman Abramovich, the Premier League can confirm tonight's match between Norwich City FC and Chelsea FC will go ahead as planned.

"The League will now work with the club and the Government to ensure the season will proceed as planned and in line with the Government's intention."

Abramovich, who last month put Chelsea up for sale due to the threat of government action, has been sanctioned along with six of Russia's wealthiest and most influential oligarchs, whose business empires, wealth and connections are closely associated with Vladimir Putin's regime. They have a net worth of £15bn.

Chelsea's shirt sponsor, telecommunications company Three, have placed their three-year deal which was announced in January 2020, under review. A company spokesperson said: "We are in discussions with Chelsea and reviewing our position."

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said: "There can be no safe havens for those who have supported Putin's vicious assault on Ukraine. Today's sanctions are the latest step in the UK's unwavering support for the Ukrainian people. We will be ruthless in pursuing those who enable the killing of civilians, destruction of hospitals and illegal occupation of sovereign allies."

Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said: "Today's sanctions show once again that oligarchs and kleptocrats have no place in our economy or society. With their close links to Putin they are complicit in his aggression.

"The blood of the Ukrainian people is on their hands. They should hang their heads in shame."
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Re: Abramovich

Postby john@staustell » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:18 pm

No cleaning of mansions:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... s-26434225

Seems to me this would've happened a couple of weeks ago but they were working out this 'licence' for Chelsea. His biggest yacht probably just got out of Barcelona in time. Sais to be heading for Israel but I keep reading stories about jewish evacuaees and front line fighters so that might not be the best place - although he is a jew with Israeli citizenship
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Re: Abramovich

Postby brite blu sky » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:23 pm

This isn't Chavs fans fault and isn't CFC fault either.

Whoever the fuck - govt i guess needs to get a grip and sort this out quickly.

meanwhile i would suggest that all football fans start getting together support for the Chavs and their fans.
If the rest of fans show a lot of support then the govt would be under pressure to act
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Re: Abramovich

Postby john@staustell » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:44 pm

brite blu sky wrote:This isn't Chavs fans fault and isn't CFC fault either.

Whoever the fuck - govt i guess needs to get a grip and sort this out quickly.

meanwhile i would suggest that all football fans start getting together support for the Chavs and their fans.
If the rest of fans show a lot of support then the govt would be under pressure to act


Not that easy mate. Chelsea is a big Abramovic asset. Putin supporters (which he is) are having their assets seized. Money paid in now effectively goes to him.

The more Putin supporters have reason to complain/remove support from him, the more chance of him backing off from his murderous campaign or even being removed from power by popular rising if they weren't all being locked up)

All I can think of - and this may need HIS permission - is that the revenues that have been stopped are put in some trust fund until all this is resolved one way or the other. Another possibility - depending on events - is that all seized assets end up being sold off, if Ukraine ends up permanently occupied. But that sounds legally difficult.

It's not easy but just check out 2 million refugees packed into trains and walking across snowy countryside, carrying kids, old people, cats etc. And 40 million others with shattered lives.

Tough for Chelsea, but football, really?
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