mcfc1632 wrote:Hughes was judged by league position / points in December 2009
Mancini will be judged by the same measure either end of this season, next December or end of next season
Cook should be judged by business results at appropriate points in each season in line with (probably) a 4 year business plan
His key role is to manage business growth and club expansion
In a business of our (intended) size, the standard press officer should report to the senior press officer who might report direct to Cook, in the same way that the catering manager will report somewhere up the line short of cook.
What I want from Cook is major sponsorships, improved stadium, and most of all a Profit & Loss / Balance Sheet that demonstrates ourselves as a sustainable business entity without continuous capital injections by 2013 - ideally before. (Of course I would like an end to gaffes as well) - What I do not want is a Scum or scouse situation or even a Chelski one.
This is (IMO) what all CITY fans should want of him and any disruption to momentum in implementing such a business plan could / would have far greater ramifications than a change of manager (IMO) - fans should be careful not to get sucked in by the media that only the shallow and gutter stuff at the level they operate is important
Beefymcfc wrote:mcfc1632 wrote:Hughes was judged by league position / points in December 2009
Mancini will be judged by the same measure either end of this season, next December or end of next season
Cook should be judged by business results at appropriate points in each season in line with (probably) a 4 year business plan
His key role is to manage business growth and club expansion
In a business of our (intended) size, the standard press officer should report to the senior press officer who might report direct to Cook, in the same way that the catering manager will report somewhere up the line short of cook.
What I want from Cook is major sponsorships, improved stadium, and most of all a Profit & Loss / Balance Sheet that demonstrates ourselves as a sustainable business entity without continuous capital injections by 2013 - ideally before. (Of course I would like an end to gaffes as well) - What I do not want is a Scum or scouse situation or even a Chelski one.
This is (IMO) what all CITY fans should want of him and any disruption to momentum in implementing such a business plan could / would have far greater ramifications than a change of manager (IMO) - fans should be careful not to get sucked in by the media that only the shallow and gutter stuff at the level they operate is important
Errrr, I might be pissed, but is this why we are selling tickets until the end of Jan and got near sell out crowds for most occassions?
Kippax wrote:The reason why the press, and others high up in footballing circles, hate Gary Cook is exactly the reason why we as fans should appreciate what Cook has done for the club.
He breaks the mould in that he would rather socialise with the fans of the club than have luncheons with the press, and this worries people not least Chief Execs of other football clubs who still see the fans as customers rather than friends.
I could harp on about all the times that I have met Gary and to a point socialised with him, although I wouldn,t go so far to call him a mate, I would definately call him a friend. Got closer to Gary in one season than I ever did to Alistair Mackintosh in all the time he was there. And with the arrival of the new owners came the breaking down of other barriers. I kind of label Gary as an exciteable school kid, he is as excited by what is happening at our club as we are, and although he may well be a Birmingham City fan his loyalties are without doubt fully behind the club. Some of the stuff he came out with regarding the Tevez poster was pure class.
You've only got to look at his walkabouts with fans during last seasons Uefa cup run, and buying of drinks etc, the handling of the fans during the South Africa Tour, and the 5 Star BBQ that was laid on for the fans in Abu Dhabi. How many other clubs Chief Execs would go to such lengths, and how much did you see written in thed press about it, practically bugger all. It was the same during the Banana craze following the fancy dress day at Stoke, there was bugger all in the press about that. You see the press don't like good things happening with the fans in football. Because they believe they have carte blanche to all things good, and they see themselves as vastly superior to football fans, especially working class football fans.
Personally think that he handled the Kaka and Eto deals reasonably well from what I have gleemed since, it was his way of saying we aren't going to be fucked around and believe me people were trying to fuck us about. OK he's made a couple of gaffs, again it was just his little joke that wasn't quite as appropriate as he thought, but we've all made hundreds of those in our life time. Haven't we?
I would just urge people not to make too hasty a judgement on Gary in light of recent events. I try not to judge people without having met them but I appreciate that in the current climate of open media this is difficult. He really is fully behind the best interests of the club.
Keep the faith Blues.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to one and all.
Kippax.
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DoomMerchant wrote:john68 wrote:Kippax,
I was not posting about our ambitions on the pitch, that is a completely seperate issue and one that is affected by Mancini's performance and not Cook's. My only point was that how the Manchester City brand is seen throughout the World from a marketting aspect.
Our owners are actively seeking success in both spheres.
Personally it matters very little how the rest of the world see us..it is important to our Sheiks.
You can't have it both ways John. Either he's too corporate or he's not polished enough. In my mind, he's doing an average job in a role that he's still learning -- a lot like Hughes. He may not have the football background many would like, but he's a marketeer, and if the board thinks, like Hughes, he shouldn't be given the range to learn his new job on their dime with our brand then he'll be sacked as well.
I for one don't have the issues others do with Cook. In fact, i think Milan did bottle it just for the record.
cheers
Should this have been posted in [urlnp=http://www.mancityfans.net/mcfnet/viewtopic.php?f=121&t=28768]THIS[/urlnp] thread?john68 wrote:Persanally, I would hate Peter Kenyon anywhere near City in any role other than programme seller...outside the ground...naked...in a snowstorm.
OliverHardy wrote:Its his job to be hated by everyone else, apart from us fans, he is the guy paid to do the dirty work, to do the will of the chairman. He acts dumb but didnt get to this position, or his former role within Nike by being dumb, he is a clever guy. Yes he may have said that Hughes' job was safe, but once the call came in from the boss everything changed, that doesnt make Cook two faced or sneeky.Lets not forget, it was him who played a HUGE role in presenting the proposition of City to the new owners. We owe Gary quite a lot more than people think. People say "he is making us a laughing stock" I say that he has made us one of the most high profile clubs around, its not just the money, its the things like "Welcome to Manchester" that has created this. And lets not forget how much 'closer' to us fans the club feels these days, the working on fans feedback, who do you think is ultimately responsible for this? Everyone hated (hates) Peter Kenyon, but at the end of the day these guys were put there to do a job, and Cook for one I feel is doing a great job! Yes he makes the odd public mistake, but that's the City way ;-)
thats just my view, what does anyone esle think?
john68 wrote:THAT PIECE OF SHITE IN THE MuEN DISGUSTS ME.
Though I do think it contains some relevent questions, I really don't believe that they give a fuck about the answers. They have dug up every bity of negativity they can find to attack Cook and target our club.
My inner feelings tell me that whatever Cook may or may not have done..it is time to corcle the wagons and get behind him in defence of our club.
I do not think it is any coincidence that our local paper is battering City and putting our club's good name under siege when there is a much bigger story they could and should be investigating...but are totally ignoring.....The state of affairs at the swamp.
I think they are targetting us in order to ease the pressure on the rags.
DISGUSTING...AND NOT THE 1ST TIME THIS PAPER HAS ATTACKED US TO SHIELD THE RAGS.
john68 wrote:THAT PIECE OF SHITE IN THE MuEN DISGUSTS ME.
Though I do think it contains some relevent questions, I really don't believe that they give a fuck about the answers. They have dug up every bity of negativity they can find to attack Cook and target our club.
My inner feelings tell me that whatever Cook may or may not have done..it is time to corcle the wagons and get behind him in defence of our club.
I do not think it is any coincidence that our local paper is battering City and putting our club's good name under siege when there is a much bigger story they could and should be investigating...but are totally ignoring.....The state of affairs at the swamp.
I think they are targetting us in order to ease the pressure on the rags.
DISGUSTING...AND NOT THE 1ST TIME THIS PAPER HAS ATTACKED US TO SHIELD THE RAGS.
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