Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

[Kiss_The_Goat]

The game always has and always will have players like De Jong. Sometimes when you're playing a team who is technically better than you, you need a player who can intimidate them, upset their rhythm and crunch them with some hard challenges to put them off their stride. De Jong is amazing at this job. Probably one of the best in the world and its better to have him on your team than playing against you! Yeh that was a high reckless challenge and Hollands tactics were pretty brutal, but had Robben finished that one and one, it would have worked, Holland would have won the world cup and De Jong and Van Bommel would have been heros for stopping the Spanish midfield playing.

[kinkylola]

but ... but ... you can't stop a team from playing the way they want!!!! that's not right, you are supposed to let them pass through your midfield all the time, and only even attempt to tackle if the ball is clearly a yard off their foot.

[Sister of fu]

De Jong had a much better season for us than Barry did. His passing was also much more constructive and offensive throughout the WC than many give him credit for (i.e. for Netherlands' opening goal of the tournament, his interplay with Sneijder in the semi final, etc, etc).

He's one of the better defensive midfielders in the league and, until the final, was certainly among the best in the World Cup. He'd walk into most teams in England and deserves to partner Yaya in the centre of the park.

If NDJ does not make that tackle people on here would say what a good solid WC he had. I actually can't agree when people say he is limited. He is a DM who does that job, it's not a pretty or nice and he won't get the plaudits like your Tevez's and Ade's but he is asked to that job and does it.

I never go to COMS expecting Hollywood type passing from him I expect him to break up the play and give the ball to the likes of Barry who have better passing abilitys.

If he can produce more of the displays like against Chelsea which was a master class in DM work then I can't see too many on here moaning about him like they do.

No way, that tackle is a small part of the shit he and van Bommell dished out throughout the WC. There were people in this very thread defending him and slating Van Bommell, I mean if thats not blue tinted glasses what is. That tackle on Alonso was dirty but and malicious but far from his worst of the tournament (you know your playing dirty when you can say that). It was the constantly kicking ppl who were past him, and going in at a players ankle sometimes over the ball that was a disgrace, wannabe leg breakers.

Both went out to kick fuck of the opposition and destroy games and than of all the ironies the entire dutch squad blame the ref, I mean jeez.

Do you understand the role of DM, break up play, put the foot in, rough people up and that is what he did and does? The tackle was way over the top...granted, but what other way do you want your DM to play this role. If you’re the person sent out to play in the DM role which is to tackle, disrupt and destroy games then im sorry you’re going to commit fouls and kick people. You tell me any DM in the world of football that does not commit fouls?

Would you suggest we put Robinho there so he can breathe on people as they pass him buy?

[Esky]

De Jong had a much better season for us than Barry did. His passing was also much more constructive and offensive throughout the WC than many give him credit for (i.e. for Netherlands' opening goal of the tournament, his interplay with Sneijder in the semi final, etc, etc).

He's one of the better defensive midfielders in the league and, until the final, was certainly among the best in the World Cup. He'd walk into most teams in England and deserves to partner Yaya in the centre of the park.

In the semifinals is interplay with Sneijder must of been psychic as he was banned. ;-)

Fuck, yep, mistake. Quarters vs Brazil. Well spotted.

[Rag_hater]

I imagine in the good ole days when the game was full of hardmen (who used to go around kissing each other after a goal),if the technology had existed to make HD photographs and video's of it like they do nowadays it would have come in for as much critisism as now.
The pundits who were commenting on the game and were from the time of the hardmen seemed to think it was a ridiculous challenge and yet theres blue-tinted fans on here who refuse to see the truth.
Teams need -players like Nigel-what a load of bollox.Holland lost.
Thuggery ddnt work.

[walmai]

An outsider's view:

1. His challenge on Alonso would have led to his being sent off in practically any other match - he could have easily broken a ribot two with a studs first lunge like that.

2. However, at the moment it actually happened, I wasn't so sure that he wasn't going for a quick moving ball. Last season, we had a very similar situation up at Wigan, where, turning as he did it, Cole tried to flick away the ball and didn't even realise one of their players was stooping to head it away. Fortunately, he only clipped the lad's head - but off he went anyway. It was obviously unintentional, but also dangerous.

3. He and Van Bommel were given jobs to do by a coach who appeared to have no belief that they could out-play the Spanish. It was like a lower league team lining up at Stamford Bridge or OT, desperate to keep the score down in an FA Cup match. It was ugly, but largely effective. Nobody outside of Holland would have rubbed together their hands at the prospect of such tactics in a WC final, but, then again, nobody would imagine that De Jong would have been briefed to play such a game and gone on a flounce and insisted that he play nicer than that.

4. The thing that did occur to me, though, was that, to detail 2 of your players to play that type of game meant that the prospect of Van Persie getting anything other than sparse service was practically ushering constant Spanish pressure onto them, as if deliberately creating a vicious circle.

So, in conclusion, 'a disgrace to football' is quite funny a suggestion. They were coached to play a system that was, in two words, to 'win ugly'. They achieved half of that.

And, as much as I might catch some flak, it appears that this is the only manner by which De Jong can play the game. He's not as bad as to be described as a 'disgrace', but he's not immeasurably better than that either.

[Esky]

I imagine in the good ole days when the game was full of hardmen (who used to go around kissing each other after a goal),if the technology had existed to make HD photographs and video's of it like they do nowadays it would have come in for as much critisism as now.
The pundits who were commenting on the game and were from the time of the hardmen seemed to think it was a ridiculous challenge and yet theres blue-tinted fans on here who refuse to see the truth.
Teams need -players like Nigel-what a load of bollox.Holland lost.
Thuggery ddnt work.

Very few people are questioning the manner of the challenge - every agrees it was a mistake; one De Jong and the Dutch were ultimately punished for. Where the issues lies is in the 'disgrace to football' bullshit and the other histrionics people have come out with.

Bad tackle. Good, effective and capable player. Has the ability to be more positive on the ball than he has been with City. Less dirty than Zabaleta. Little else to say.

[Kiss_The_Goat]

I imagine in the good ole days when the game was full of hardmen (who used to go around kissing each other after a goal),if the technology had existed to make HD photographs and video's of it like they do nowadays it would have come in for as much critisism as now.
The pundits who were commenting on the game and were from the time of the hardmen seemed to think it was a ridiculous challenge and yet theres blue-tinted fans on here who refuse to see the truth.
Teams need -players like Nigel-what a load of bollox.Holland lost.
Thuggery ddnt work.

Oh yeh, the great and wise pundits. They're always bang on the money. Get a grip man.
It was a reckless challenge, yeh, but a disgrace to football? No way. I'd say the attitude of the French national team and many of the England team is a disgrace to football. De Jongs challenge was reckless and high but in no way was it a "disgrace to football". Its just something that happens. You see far worse than that over the course of any season.

[Rag_hater]

I imagine in the good ole days when the game was full of hardmen (who used to go around kissing each other after a goal),if the technology had existed to make HD photographs and video's of it like they do nowadays it would have come in for as much critisism as now.
The pundits who were commenting on the game and were from the time of the hardmen seemed to think it was a ridiculous challenge and yet theres blue-tinted fans on here who refuse to see the truth.
Teams need -players like Nigel-what a load of bollox.Holland lost.
Thuggery ddnt work.

Very few people are questioning the manner of the challenge - every agrees it was a mistake; one De Jong and the Dutch were ultimately punished for. Where the issues lies is in the 'disgrace to football' bullshit and the other histrionics people have come out with.

Bad tackle. Good, effective and capable player. Has the ability to be more positive on the ball than he has been with City. Less dirty than Zabaleta. Little else to say.

I haven't said he is a disgrace to football.What other people think I have no controll over.I would just like to make my point that people seem to be saying that players nowadays are pussies and, a few years ago this kind of tackle is part of the game and should be tolerated.I don't think thats the case.If Nigel was a player from 20/30/40 years ago that challenge would be seen for what it was and IMO that is wreckless.And the thing is Nigel has quite a bit of previous for it so the excuses some are making for him are a bit tenuous.

[Kladze]

I imagine in the good ole days when the game was full of hardmen (who used to go around kissing each other after a goal),if the technology had existed to make HD photographs and video's of it like they do nowadays it would have come in for as much critisism as now.
The pundits who were commenting on the game and were from the time of the hardmen seemed to think it was a ridiculous challenge and yet theres blue-tinted fans on here who refuse to see the truth.
Teams need -players like Nigel-what a load of bollox.Holland lost.
Thuggery ddnt work.

Oh yeh, the great and wise pundits. They're always bang on the money. Get a grip man.
It was a reckless challenge, yeh, but a disgrace to football? No way. I'd say the attitude of the French national team and many of the England team is a disgrace to football. De Jongs challenge was reckless and high but in no way was it a "disgrace to football". Its just something that happens. You see far worse than that over the course of any season.

Damn it! I foed him and forgot about the quotes.

Rag hater you're a first class idiot.

What Schumacher did to Battiston was a disgrace to football. What De Jong did was just one of those things which happen when you play hard. Tackles are sometimes mistimed or misplaced - in much the same way as the kind of player you appear to (only) love might misplace a pass.

[MrsRazor]

[http://www.youtube.com/*] I've probably done this wrong. I'm trying put up the Felipe Melo tackle. brazil v Holland Now that's a disgraceful tackle.

[MrsRazor]

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[MrsRazor]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/[/youtube] I've probably done this wrong. I'm trying put up the Felipe Melo tackle. brazil v Holland Now that's a disgraceful tackle.

[MrsRazor]

I'm trying put up the Felipe Melo tackle. brazil v Holland Now that's a disgraceful tackle. can someone tell me how to do it. Hubby is on a submarine again.

[MrsRazor]

shit sorry guys computer went nuts. I was getting a blank page when all the while I was posting...... oops

[gillie]

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There you go Mrs Razor.

[Beefymcfc]

Was it this one Mrs R?
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[zuricity]

What a bunch of Flusies ! She's only seeking attention because we might be knicking Gerrard and Torres at half price ! :-))

[LCBblue]

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Go on Nigel!

[The Man In Blue]

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Go on Nigel!

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