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Re: I Blame Mancini!

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:32 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
If Lescott had been marking Benzema, you would have been screaming for him to be dropped as, quite rightly, you would have seen a mistake, as he was nowhere near where he should have been in order to defend it. It's not true that most defenders wouldn't have stopped it. Most Premier League defenders would have been 3 yards closer & stood a very good chance. Nasti fell asleep & didn't react. Understandable & no reason to write him off, but it was a mistake nontheless, & a pretty bad one.

He may have scored the same goal if Lescott had played, but it would have had to be squeezed through Lescott's legs, as he would have been all over him like a fucking rash. Lescott would get the blame where this lad doesn't though & that's where it's not fair.

He will make a mistake, maybe even v Arsenal & about once in ten games, it leads to a goal. Most don't but people still want to drop him anyway. For some reason, he isn't allowed to do anything wrong & others are, even if they do it more often. A Lescott mistake seems to count double in some people's eyes & any miscontrol of a ball seems to be a sackable offence.

It's not just you; the bloke in the MUEN is the same; ALWAYS marks Lescott 2 or 3 points down, no matter how well he plays. Hansen once did a highlights section on VK in a game where Lescott had been pretty much identical over 90 mins & he never even mentioned Lescott's name as being on the pitch, just how brilliant VK was. Most of these blokes sided with Moyes when City signed him & have been on his case ever since.

It's both unfair & bizarre. Last season people were blaming Lescott for Savic being shit, presumably because he was on the pitch at the same time, yet they never blame Lescott for Vinny being good.

He never gets credit for anything he does that's good, just shit for mistakes he makes or even when he does nothing wrong, like at Stoke. It never used to be like this. In Joe Mercer's side he would have been a hero & imo that's exactly what he & Vinny were last season. They are champions & deserve the opportunity to be given some games to sort out the defence, not sacked for any kid that comes along.


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Re: I Blame Mancini!

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:03 am

I agree that Lescott doesn't the credit he deserves. He was the better of the two CBs up until Vinnie's sending off against the Rags last January, after which he came back like a man possessed.

I don't think it's fair to say that he gets sacked for any kid that comes along. It's obvious that Mancini doesn't trust Lescott in Europe, he dropped him for the first CL game last season too. That's why Nasti was brought in, Mancini wants two centre backs that are comfortable in possession of the ball, surely you can see that?

Same with Micah, for whatever reason Mancini doesn't trust him in Europe either, he started the game in Munich and didn't feature in any of the other CL games, hence Maicon being brought in.
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Re: I Blame Mancini!

Postby PALUS » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:53 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
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You can dig up all my posts on Lescott and you will see that when he plays well I mention it..I have said it plenty of times so your talking bolloks if you say that I slag him off even when he plays well !!!
We have shipped in over 11 goals in the last 6 competitive games or so and Lescott has played SHITE...thats a fact.

Thats why he dropped the cunt against RM and Ill say it one last fuckign time......IF VINNY HADNT FUCKED UP WE WOULD HAVE WON and then you wouldnt have had any need to write half a page slagging off Nasti.


No nobody slagging Nasti, he did the best he could playing first game on this level with players he did not play at all , if Saavic have debut here he would get red card for bad playing :) but even u Carl must admit it was strange game to debut and to many players who dont know each other , and why Bob did not give Nasti at list one game in Premiere before this , but i agree that defence is shit and that Vinny fuck moree then few times but he was covering whole game Maicon who was awful , but for 3 goal no exuse Vinny goal 100 % , even the first one he is the one give Marcelo time and space but also nobody else was there to duble , strange game.


Yes it was strange..but the alternative was to play a player that has fucked up so far this season and the latter of last season...maybe Mancini thought fuck it..Ill play him , anyone would think Nasti is just a kid that hasnt played fucking high powered matches before!!!

Nasti will replace Lescott for good soon enough imo..Lescotts in his last part of his contract and I doubt he will get another one..in fact he might even go in January.

I quite understand Teds and others surprise when he played Nasti but imo he played well and wasnt the reason we fucking lost..same as it wasnt Maicons fault we lost as he didnt concede a fucking goal when he was on the pitch !! call it luck or whatever..there are 2 facts that are indisputable and thats the goals against wasnt maicons fault and the 2 goals against wasnt Nastis fault...it can be argued that Benzemas goal was a brilliant turn and shot and not Nastis fault at all..I doubt whether 99% of defenders worldwide would have defied Benzema that turn and goal.

Anyway..its past and gone , now lets see what happens tomorrow.


If Lescott had been marking Benzema, you would have been screaming for him to be dropped as, quite rightly, you would have seen a mistake, as he was nowhere near where he should have been in order to defend it. It's not true that most defenders wouldn't have stopped it. Most Premier League defenders would have been 3 yards closer & stood a very good chance. Nasti fell asleep & didn't react. Understandable & no reason to write him off, but it was a mistake nontheless, & a pretty bad one.

He may have scored the same goal if Lescott had played, but it would have had to be squeezed through Lescott's legs, as he would have been all over him like a fucking rash. Lescott would get the blame where this lad doesn't though & that's where it's not fair.

He will make a mistake, maybe even v Arsenal & about once in ten games, it leads to a goal. Most don't but people still want to drop him anyway. For some reason, he isn't allowed to do anything wrong & others are, even if they do it more often. A Lescott mistake seems to count double in some people's eyes & any miscontrol of a ball seems to be a sackable offence.

It's not just you; the bloke in the MUEN is the same; ALWAYS marks Lescott 2 or 3 points down, no matter how well he plays. Hansen once did a highlights section on VK in a game where Lescott had been pretty much identical over 90 mins & he never even mentioned Lescott's name as being on the pitch, just how brilliant VK was. Most of these blokes sided with Moyes when City signed him & have been on his case ever since.

It's both unfair & bizarre. Last season people were blaming Lescott for Savic being shit, presumably because he was on the pitch at the same time, yet they never blame Lescott for Vinny being good.

He never gets credit for anything he does that's good, just shit for mistakes he makes or even when he does nothing wrong, like at Stoke. It never used to be like this. In Joe Mercer's side he would have been a hero & imo that's exactly what he & Vinny were last season. They are champions & deserve the opportunity to be given some games to sort out the defence, not sacked for any kid that comes along.

Ted Its not only Lescot in team in that position there is a few players who dont get any credit but u have argue with Carl and u see that now , Vinny was so fuckin horible against Real if that was Lescot he would be hang in front Etihad, some players people , jurnalist ignore thats fact , i watch press after Real Madrid i could not belive how much question was abaut Ballo guy wasnt on the pitch , nobody ask for Milner,so it s not only Lescot in that position , i dont know why but people have favorites on base that is not football.
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Re: I Blame Mancini!

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:04 am

As it's matchday and I don't like to see too much negativity going into the game I've edited the title.

Anybody got a problem, give me a shout.

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Re: I Blame Mancini!

Postby john68 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:43 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:As it's matchday and I don't like to see too much negativity going into the game I've edited the title.

Anybody got a problem, give me a shout.

Thanks.


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Re: Mancini

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:07 pm

Why was Clichy still on the pitch and not subbed ?
why was silva still on the pitch and not subbed?
why was Aguero not subbed earlier as he was fucking pap?
why was Dzeko man of the match taken off ?

I hope NASTI really does replace Lescott and soon...apart from an excellent goal he was fuckign shit?


Mancini is losing the plot...he needs to get a grip ffs !
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Re: I Blame Mancini!

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:10 pm

john68 wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:As it's matchday and I don't like to see too much negativity going into the game I've edited the title.

Anybody got a problem, give me a shout.

Thanks.


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Re: I Blame Mancini!

Postby Grob » Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:17 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:I don't have a problem with losing a game of football, I have a problem with Boyata & Boateng starting v Arsenal, Kolo Toure starting v Bayern, playing for a draw at Arsenal when we should be all out for a win, starting Maicon, Nastasic etc at the Bernabau & generally handicapping ourselves in big games, for weak reasoning. He says he left out Lescott because everyone needs a few games each ! It's Real Madrid ffs!

If we are sound in selection & tactics & lose, so be it. Shit happens. When we invite shit to land on us by lighting up the fucking runway; it does my head in.


Fully agree, and it happened again today. I sometimes think Mancini does this shit on purpose when he doesnt get what he wants i.e. De Rossi
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Re: I Blame Mancini!

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:46 pm

Grob wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I don't have a problem with losing a game of football, I have a problem with Boyata & Boateng starting v Arsenal, Kolo Toure starting v Bayern, playing for a draw at Arsenal when we should be all out for a win, starting Maicon, Nastasic etc at the Bernabau & generally handicapping ourselves in big games, for weak reasoning. He says he left out Lescott because everyone needs a few games each ! It's Real Madrid ffs!

If we are sound in selection & tactics & lose, so be it. Shit happens. When we invite shit to land on us by lighting up the fucking runway; it does my head in.


Fully agree, and it happened again today. I sometimes think Mancini does this shit on purpose when he doesnt get what he wants i.e. De Rossi

The problem is though, how can you throw a strop when a the player does not want to join you?

Mancini tried to close the game out today but took the wrong player off. He then tried to salvage 3 points by then throwing Mario on and taking Sergio off, who never looked upto speed.

Mancini is becoming the tinkerer, making strange decisions (in my eyes anyway), probably to ensure the players get rotated. The problem with it he is making the wrong choices (in my eyes, again), leaving us looking underwhelming.
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Re: I Blame Mancini!

Postby Grob » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:36 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:
Grob wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I don't have a problem with losing a game of football, I have a problem with Boyata & Boateng starting v Arsenal, Kolo Toure starting v Bayern, playing for a draw at Arsenal when we should be all out for a win, starting Maicon, Nastasic etc at the Bernabau & generally handicapping ourselves in big games, for weak reasoning. He says he left out Lescott because everyone needs a few games each ! It's Real Madrid ffs!

If we are sound in selection & tactics & lose, so be it. Shit happens. When we invite shit to land on us by lighting up the fucking runway; it does my head in.


Fully agree, and it happened again today. I sometimes think Mancini does this shit on purpose when he doesnt get what he wants i.e. De Rossi

The problem is though, how can you throw a strop when a the player does not want to join you?

Mancini tried to close the game out today but took the wrong player off. He then tried to salvage 3 points by then throwing Mario on and taking Sergio off, who never looked upto speed.

Mancini is becoming the tinkerer, making strange decisions (in my eyes anyway), probably to ensure the players get rotated. The problem with it he is making the wrong choices (in my eyes, again), leaving us looking underwhelming.


What baffles me is that we make 5 changes to the team each game it seems, yet Vinne and Yaya never get rotated. Surely these cant be the only 2 players in the squad who can play 45-50 games a season? If Tevez needs a rest after 5 games when he'sin the best shape he's ever been in, why dont these 2?
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Re: Mancini

Postby Blue Since 76 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:06 pm

A whole set of strange decisions today with the starting line up and then the subs. But the first question has to be, what system are we supposed to be playing and why did we change it from last year? To make it worse, we seem to have a different system for every game, which I'm sure looks brilliant in some fangled computer simulation, but on grass makes most of the players look like they've just met.

Mancini's tinkering with players last season could have cost us the league. This season he's changing players and systems and the evidence to date is that it will cost is the league. It's still very early and there's not much of a gap to the top, but we can't defend, are being over run in midfield and create less chances than last season. He needs to get a grip very quickly
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Re: Mancini

Postby bhfanatic » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:11 pm

I'm starting to question Mancini's abilities as a coach. He better sort this shit out and soon.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:23 pm

Taking dzeko off today instead of Kun was one of his worst subs in a whole.
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Re: Mancini

Postby freshie » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:20 am

Pretty Boy Lee wrote:Taking dzeko off today instead of Kun was one of his worst subs in a whole.


That decision baffled me as well, although when I saw tevez was about to come on I did say 'I bet Mancini takes dzeko off instead of Aguero' and lo and behold he did exactly that. Dzeko was our best player and I've no idea why he took him off instead of Aguero who had a poor game. The worrying thing is that Mancini is regularly making poor decisions such as this regarding his subs lately and whilst they make no sense, I am starting to expect them
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Re: Mancini

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:41 am

freshie wrote:
That decision baffled me as well, although when I saw tevez was about to come on I did say 'I bet Mancini takes dzeko off instead of Aguero' and lo and behold he did exactly that. Dzeko was our best player and I've no idea why he took him off instead of Aguero who had a poor game. The worrying thing is that Mancini is regularly making poor decisions such as this regarding his subs lately and whilst they make no sense, I am starting to expect them


Id said in more hope than expectation, "it has to be Aguero right?"
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