The Run In.

[Im_Spartacus]

Then perhaps we should campaign for a random selection from a panel of suitably qualified referrees Draw them out of a hat and that would answer all the conspiracy concerns. Personally if we score enough goals against Liverpool then it makes any referreeing unable to have influence. So I think we either set up like chelsea did against us or we go at them from the start like our first game with Newcastle at the beginning of the season.

Absolutely - if there is an elite panel of referees, why are they not all equally fit to referee any game.

The very fact that certain referees are chosen for certain games gives every incentive for those who are not chosen to have their behaviour moulded to how their managers want it to be. It's not necessarily corrupt, it's just very very wide open to abuse by a small number of people. The finger of suspicion to me falls specifically the cunt in charge of the referees who Moyes even went as far as asking whether he was a United fan before a big FA Cup Semi Final between the rags and everton.

[bayblue]

Then perhaps we should campaign for a random selection from a panel of suitably qualified referrees Draw them out of a hat and that would answer all the conspiracy concerns. Personally if we score enough goals against Liverpool then it makes any referreeing unable to have influence. So I think we either set up like chelsea did against us or we go at them from the start like our first game with Newcastle at the beginning of the season.

Works for me as a good suggestion. Anything to stop us being known as a bitter and twisted set of conspiracy theorists.!!

[Original Dub]

Then perhaps we should campaign for a random selection from a panel of suitably qualified referrees Draw them out of a hat and that would answer all the conspiracy concerns. Personally if we score enough goals against Liverpool then it makes any referreeing unable to have influence. So I think we either set up like chelsea did against us or we go at them from the start like our first game with Newcastle at the beginning of the season.

Works for me as a good suggestion. Anything to stop us being known as a bitter and twisted set of conspiracy theorists.!!

We aren't known as a bitter and twisted set of conspiracy theorists, nor are we on our way to becoming known as such.

I'm for anything that makes it fairer and more impartial than it currently is.

It's hard to rule out corruption when two of the other top leagues, along with the world's governing body has already been proven to be corrupt. I wish I could believe that everything is and always has been above board, but unfortunately, life has taught me a bit more than the fairy tales I had read to me when I was three.

[mcfc1632]

I found this article from an Arsenal fan which I thought was insightful on how refs have been swayed for years to provide bias to the scum;

http://thefunnygooner.wordpress.com/201 ... -united-2/

[dick dastardley]

Anfield is as bad as the swamp for ref biasedness, I for one would be worried going there soon, the media have their trousers round their ankles for the dippers now the rags have fallen.
And it remains to be seen if the dippers get yhe rub of the green when city come to town, but I dont hold out much in the way of a level playing field

[dick dastardley]

Anfield is as bad as the swamp for ref biasedness, I for one would be worried going there soon, the media have their trousers round their ankles for the dippers now the rags have fallen.
And it remains to be seen if the dippers get yhe rub of the green when city come to town, but I dont hold out much in the way of a level playing field

[dick dastardley]

Anfield is as bad as the swamp for ref biasedness, I for one would be worried going there soon, the media have their trousers round their ankles for the dippers now the rags have fallen.
And it remains to be seen if the dippers get yhe rub of the green when city come to town, but I dont hold out much in the way of a level playing field

[budfox]

I found this article from an Arsenal fan which I thought was insightful on how refs have been swayed for years to provide bias to the scum;

http://thefunnygooner.wordpress.com/201 ... -united-2/

An interesting read. I've never had any doubt whatsoever that the scum, during the bacon face years, have benefitted from many decisions that would have gone against other teams.

I'm not sure that refs cheat, I'd like to think that they are not corrupt. If I'm honest I just feel that they have felt intimidated by him in almost every game.

What we are now seeing is an unwinding of that position, coupled with the huge gulf in ability between Moyes and bacon. Those two factors alone are easily enough to explain why the rags are now no better than an upper-mid table team.

[Beefymcfc]

I don't think anybody has mentioned how the PGMOL are run. There's been a lot come out this season and without doubt this game is influenced not just by the likes of Taggart but much deeper in the halls of power. RasherChops had his sway but it is the powers that be that allowed it to happen.

Taggart played the game well and for that he was rewarded. Why do you think he still came out with the line 'Liverpool are our real Derby', even though they were nowhere to be seen? Quite simply, to bring in the mass markets of the 2 widest followed clubs in the Prem.

[City64]

Absolutely Beefy . Suarez will be diving like fuck , Skirtl holding and pushing , Gerrard will be allowed to do whatever he wants etc etc and if that cunt Clattenburg is "doing " us then the writing is on the wall . Hope I am wrong !

[zuricity]

Well one thing is for sure.Skrtel won't be shirt pulling on Kun. He won't be marking him. So if you want a penalty Edin better start.

[Herb]

I don't think anybody has mentioned how the PGMOL are run. There's been a lot come out this season and without doubt this game is influenced not just by the likes of Taggart but much deeper in the halls of power. RasherChops had his sway but it is the powers that be that allowed it to happen.

Taggart played the game well and for that he was rewarded. Why do you think he still came out with the line 'Liverpool are our real Derby', even though they were nowhere to be seen? Quite simply, to bring in the mass markets of the 2 widest followed clubs in the Prem.

That's very insightful Beef. I'd not really considered that particular aspect before but, on hearing it and on considering what I've witnessed down the years, it makes perfect sense. Ta for that.

[Original Dub]

I don't think anybody has mentioned how the PGMOL are run. There's been a lot come out this season and without doubt this game is influenced not just by the likes of Taggart but much deeper in the halls of power. RasherChops had his sway but it is the powers that be that allowed it to happen.

Taggart played the game well and for that he was rewarded. Why do you think he still came out with the line 'Liverpool are our real Derby', even though they were nowhere to be seen? Quite simply, to bring in the mass markets of the 2 widest followed clubs in the Prem.

That's very insightful Beef. I'd not really considered that particular aspect before but, on hearing it and on considering what I've witnessed down the years, it makes perfect sense. Ta for that.

What we've all witnessed through the years mate.

Well... most of us...

[gillie]

I don't think anybody has mentioned how the PGMOL are run. There's been a lot come out this season and without doubt this game is influenced not just by the likes of Taggart but much deeper in the halls of power. RasherChops had his sway but it is the powers that be that allowed it to happen.

Taggart played the game well and for that he was rewarded. Why do you think he still came out with the line 'Liverpool are our real Derby', even though they were nowhere to be seen? Quite simply, to bring in the mass markets of the 2 widest followed clubs in the Prem.

That's very insightful Beef. I'd not really considered that particular aspect before but, on hearing it and on considering what I've witnessed down the years, it makes perfect sense. Ta for that.

What we've all witnessed through the years mate.

Well... most of us...

Well there are 13 players from the FL that have now been arrested over match spot fixing.I'm not one to cast doubt's on the integrity of our refs but the spot fixers must be thick if they have'nt targeted refs as they can make millions from a ref's decisions.

[nottsblue]

There will likely be a couple of refs shitting themselves at the moment

[bayblue]

What we've all witnessed through the years mate. Well... most of us...

As you've outgrown fairy tales then there are some good programmes on Channel 5 you might enjoy.... One about how moon landings were faked, another about how Twin towers blown up by CIA.

[Goataldo]

Bayblue; apologies for any offence caused. When I said that I thought you were being naïve and potentially had your head in the sand/up your arse with regard to your dismissing the likelihood of 'other influences' having an effect on football campaigns, I wasn't intending for you to take such offence. It was more hyperbole to accentuate a point, rather than to try and 'personally insult' you, as you put it.

Point still stands, however.

Also, man up and stop being so sensitive!

[bayblue]

Bayblue; apologies for any offence caused. When I said that I thought you were being naïve and potentially had your head in the sand/up your arse with regard to your dismissing the likelihood of 'other influences' having an effect on football campaigns, I wasn't intending for you to take such offence. It was more hyperbole to accentuate a point, rather than to try and 'personally insult' you, as you put it. Point still stands, however. Also, man up and stop being so sensitive!

Thanks. No need for apology as I didn't take offence, at least not the first time!

Having worked in big business all my life I am aware of 'influences' and believe they go on it football just as much as any other business.
But... And this has been my point all along......I don't believe Premier League refs are corrupt and deliberately intervene to affect the outcome of games, and nothing any poster has put here has given any credible evidence to the contrary.

There are some people in life who get so fixated on how other people, teams, media, officials etc. have conspired to gang up on them that I think they develop a victim mentality and seek always to blame external factors; at times this can cause them to lose touch with objective reality. I think City are a proud and big enough club that we should never have to play the victim, and for each time we do all that does is distract us from either acknowledging the good efforts of others or that which we can do to improve ourselves.

[Hazy2]

I just hope we do not get that TWAT Phil Dowd.

[Original Dub]

As you've outgrown fairy tales then there are some good programmes on Channel 5 you might enjoy.... One about how moon landings were faked, another about how Twin towers blown up by CIA.

Go back asleep child.

You already look like a cunt.