***Official England v Uruguay Thread***

[zuricity]

I agree. The commentators tried to talk us up but I mainly saw us give the ball away most of the game, Gerrard and Rooney to the fore. Perhaps my standards are too high now, spoilt by City.

include Sturridge in that group too. Very , very poor ball control.Not just once or twice , all the game.

[Goaters 103]

No complaints, not good enough.

Too many things wrong to know where to start but bottom line is that we were probably the third best team in that group and that's likely how it will pan out.

They'll prob beat Costa Rica, which will save Roy's job and the cycle will go on. We'll sail through the qualifiers again for Euro 2016, the jingoistic tabloid tub thumping will commence again in May 2016 and the same thing will happen.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Question: If Suarez was a City player, how would the English press treat him throughout the next season?

Question 2: Well, he isn't a City player, he is a Liverpool player ... what will we see (or hear, during games next season)?

Been thinking the same myself. It might be quite interesting to see what the reaction will be at grounds up and down the country.

With regard to the game, Uruguay looked a poor side (Cavani deserves better) with a liking for rough-house tactics, but England made them look better than they are, in spite of us, surprisingly for once, having the greater share of possession.

Shrek's goal has probably saved him from being kicked out and, unfortunately, it looks as though we'll still have to suffer him in 2018 - always provided we qualify for that competition and he's not too bloated at that time to even run.

I wonder if Hodgson will now see the writing on the wall and play the youngsters in the final game.....probably not.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

So only way we can make it through is if Italy win their next two and we beat Costa Rica.
Knowing England Italy will do just that and we'll lose to Costa Rica.

[Green & Blue]

Those two games against good opposition showed there's not enough strength in the England midfield at all. Gerrard and Henderson just not up to it.Would have been a far better side with Barkley and lallana over Gerrard and Welbeck.Milners work rate wouldn't have gone astray either.

[charvet_wonderland]

Bollocks mate, Rat Face fuckin leathered that ball past Joe

agree Joe didn't go down early, just chose the wrong side.If you can do such a thing.

I've played in Goal many times and power finishes like that, unless your body is in the right place, you aint stopping it (if you do, it'll take your head off) Credit where its due, cracking finish.........Sister of Fu would you agree?

My opinion is that he wouldn't have let that in at Etihad - he hurried to reposition himself in unfamiliar surroundings, and had too much momentum from repositioning hurriedly to be able to react to the shot.

It was a hoof from the keeper which never changed direction. No repositioning required. He didn't make a mess of it but after watching the replays I think he could've done more to get in the way

[Ted Hughes]

It's time England made a big effort to build from scratch. We have a lot of people working in football here now who actually understand that the methods of the past don't work, we have millions of fans who are starting to realise how football is played & we have millions of kids who want to play football.

I watched England U17s on tv recently, win the tournament beating Holland & some of the kids obviously had talent. But the Dutch knew how to play football. We prevailed by talent, size & pace but no brains. They just missed out with talent & brains. They are more likely to succeed in the future, because they have been better coached, not because they are naturally better.

[BlueinBosnia]

So only way we can make it through is if Italy win their next two and we beat Costa Rica.
Knowing England Italy will do just that and we'll lose to Costa Rica.

I think England have to beat Costa Rica by 3 goals, don't they? I know it works on 'head to head' results first, and then goal difference, but I'm not sure what happens in the case of a 3-way head to head...

[Mikhail Chigorin]

So only way we can make it through is if Italy win their next two and we beat Costa Rica.
Knowing England Italy will do just that and we'll lose to Costa Rica.

I think England have to beat Costa Rica by 3 goals, don't they? I know it works on 'head to head' results first, and then goal difference, but I'm not sure what happens in the case of a 3-way head to head...

Hope they don't decide to solve it with a penalty shoot-out......

[Bridge'srightfoot]

So only way we can make it through is if Italy win their next two and we beat Costa Rica.
Knowing England Italy will do just that and we'll lose to Costa Rica.

I think England have to beat Costa Rica by 3 goals, don't they? I know it works on 'head to head' results first, and then goal difference, but I'm not sure what happens in the case of a 3-way head to head...

It's goal difference first I think.
So say Italy beat Costa Rica tomorrow 1-0, and then they beat Uruguay 1-0 and England beat Costa Rica 1-0, then Uruguay would have a gd of -2, Costa Rica 0 and England -1.

That's if every game is won by a singular goal though.
However I could see the Italians winning by more than a goal tomorrow.4

As I said will be typical England for the results to go our way and us to mess it up.

[Hazy2]

A mess , we need a coach who can do what France are doing, no Egos , no rep before the team, we have players, we need world class management.

[Goaters 103]

Time to compile the England "early tournament exit" Bingo card. 9 Stock phrases youre sure to hear over the next few days: -

- Its time for the kids, forget about the results for the next 2 years!

- Hodgson is a nice man but its time for change. Roy must go, new broom please

- (in cockney accent) "They've just got no passion, Arry would've sorted them out"

- Stan Collymore shouting on radio or TWEETING IN CAPS about how he'd change everything, including bigger more secluded car parks at St George's Park

- Talksport phone-in on "who will be the next England manager"

- General consensus of concentrate on the Euros as in 2 years this lot will be much better for the experience - last used after South Africa in 2010, and Ukraine 2012

- Ex-England player (Waddle/Shilton/Ferdinand or Kenny Sansom from his dustbin) calls defending amateurish and criticises a team who were the same when they played

- Contrite tone from FA Chairman, who had it right with his cut-throat gesture at the WC Draw

- Concerted broadsheet campaign to go back to grass roots teaching kids in the womb how to trap and pass a ball, rather than have them playing 11 a side and allowing the two foot challenge

[Cocacolajojo1]

What a goalie Hart is becoming. Find a pair of new centre backs and you'll have a solid defence to fall back on for some years to come.

Is this sarcasm? I'm a bit worried, as I feel he committed too early to the near post for the second goal. The shot went straight through the middle.

No it's not just watch the game again. Twice Baines covered the near post at corners and before the corner was fired into the penalty area he started moving inside the goalie, leaving the near post, which Joe had to cover, TWICE. He was resolute on crosses and high balls, he brilliantly stopped Cavani from scoring in a one on one situation, put the ball into play quickly on several occassions after having collected the ball. The second goal from Suarez, as others have mentioned before me, you ain't saving that. Well you can if you're extremely lucky obviously.

[Bianchi on Ice]

A mess , we need a coach who can do what France are doing, no Egos , no rep before the team, we have players, we need world class management.

No Egos. France. haha. nice.

[Bianchi on Ice]

So only way we can make it through is if Italy win their next two and we beat Costa Rica.
Knowing England Italy will do just that and we'll lose to Costa Rica.

I think England have to beat Costa Rica by 3 goals, don't they? I know it works on 'head to head' results first, and then goal difference, but I'm not sure what happens in the case of a 3-way head to head...

It's goal difference first I think.
So say Italy beat Costa Rica tomorrow 1-0, and then they beat Uruguay 1-0 and England beat Costa Rica 1-0, then Uruguay would have a gd of -2, Costa Rica 0 and England -1.

That's if every game is won by a singular goal though.
However I could see the Italians winning by more than a goal tomorrow.4

As I said will be typical England for the results to go our way and us to mess it up.

I remember how much I disliked the idea of two best third placed sides going through in 86 and 90 when the maths didnt add up..that is essentially what England are here, and the door should be slammed shut on them.

[zuricity]

I bet italy draw tonight. Just to be a pain in the neck.

Still two weeks holiday aint bad is it ?

if we go out tonight i hope Woy plays all his youngsters

[Hazy2]

A mess , we need a coach who can do what France are doing, no Egos , no rep before the team, we have players, we need world class management.

No Egos. France. haha. nice.

Every team has to face the reality of NO I in Team, Nasri was sadly not wanted by the players, Dechamps has a tough job I agree, they have an eye on 2016 Glory. Si build now, England are just S.O.S. Until we have a plan in place we will never have a chance. Jagielka good enough now or 5 yrs ago for this level, no Stomnes would have done no worse, Shaw for Baines, simple maths tells us the players we chose are decent at Premier level, thats it, Gerrard, Rooney not going to get any better, Lampard was was the point. Mess.

[Ted Hughes]

A mess , we need a coach who can do what France are doing, no Egos , no rep before the team, we have players, we need world class management.

No Egos. France. haha. nice.

Every team has to face the reality of NO I in Team, Nasri was sadly not wanted by the players, Dechamps has a tough job I agree, they have an eye on 2016 Glory. Si build now, England are just S.O.S. Until we have a plan in place we will never have a chance. Jagielka good enough now or 5 yrs ago for this level, no Stomnes would have done no worse, Shaw for Baines, simple maths tells us the players we chose are decent at Premier level, thats it, Gerrard, Rooney not going to get any better, Lampard was was the point. Mess.

We didn't have much to choose from in defence tbf. The best cbs are too old, right backs all injured.

But neither Gerrard nor Lampard should even be at the tournament. This was the time to start building a new team, in which Rooney should be just one player IF SELECTED for the game, not an automatic choice who creates headline news if he is dropped. Everyone should have been used to Rooney being dropped by the time this tournament came along, as it should have been a regular thing over the last two years, he only plays when it suits the team formation & when he's earned it. Everyone should be used to the absence of Gerrard & Lampard; they should have been forcibly retired.

If neither were around, England would HAVE to find a way of playing, as a team, without them. If that means playing Phil fucking Jones in def midfield gets the best results, then that's what you do, create a team, whatever it takes. But as soon as you put Gerrard & Lampard into the equation, there is always the default setting to fall back on; the one which has been proven time & again, not to work.

This is how England operate & will no doubt do so again.

[Hazy2]

A mess , we need a coach who can do what France are doing, no Egos , no rep before the team, we have players, we need world class management.

No Egos. France. haha. nice.

Every team has to face the reality of NO I in Team, Nasri was sadly not wanted by the players, Dechamps has a tough job I agree, they have an eye on 2016 Glory. Si build now, England are just S.O.S. Until we have a plan in place we will never have a chance. Jagielka good enough now or 5 yrs ago for this level, no Stomnes would have done no worse, Shaw for Baines, simple maths tells us the players we chose are decent at Premier level, thats it, Gerrard, Rooney not going to get any better, Lampard was was the point. Mess.

We didn't have much to choose from in defence tbf. The best cbs are too old, right backs all injured.

But neither Gerrard nor Lampard should even be at the tournament. This was the time to start building a new team, in which Rooney should be just one player IF SELECTED for the game, not an automatic choice who creates headline news if he is dropped. Everyone should have been used to Rooney being dropped by the time this tournament came along, as it should have been a regular thing over the last two years, he only plays when it suits the team formation & when he's earned it. Everyone should be used to the absence of Gerrard & Lampard; they should have been forcibly retired.

If neither were around, England would HAVE to find a way of playing, as a team, without them. If that means playing Phil fucking Jones in def midfield gets the best results, then that's what you do, create a team, whatever it takes. But as soon as you put Gerrard & Lampard into the equation, there is always the default setting to fall back on; the one which has been proven time & again, not to work.

This is how England operate & will no doubt do so again.

The fact is I know 3 or 4 players from the Ur team, two players did their jobs and we are almost out. Roy is average and we get that return from him, Nice guy, his subs are almost auto pilot, Plans for Pirlo and Cheating cunt have failed, sorry he is part of the old boys network that is nice and cosy but does the same very tournament, Huff puff lose, I am not arsed if I am honest, and fully expected us to get beat in each game. Henderson and Gerard and the scouse contingent are fashionable, Sturridge still a selfish twat, Sterling ran when he should pass, he will learn that and has talent but this gets tougher not easier, Shaw and Lillana had to start for me as they are gonna be around for France 2016. Plus we saw the surprise factor Sterling brought against Italy. We do not offer any fear factor any longer. Pearce has a point the Germans do not take the piss with U21 they are scheming and planning u21 progression all the time the man on the 1st teams shoulder, he trains with them he travels with them and if he ducks a Toulon or Euro champs or any other get together, he is dumed, as not the right man. We allow the clubs to abuse the U21 with fake injuries and tired excuses, how many cried off last season, Farce, which shows like last night, no household names beats rich players, For clubs the two players upfront for them would have been isolated and 5-0 all day, for England clueless defeat with a 80 meter punt creating a goal. The scousers only played 40 games and looked knackered last night. Except one of them !

[Sideshow Bob]

hart is following the same trajectory as fernando fucking torres. fucking awful and embarrassing again. flapping at corners like an absolute donkey. 50/50 chance at best of stopping any shot on target. i hope pellegrini was watching and this display pushes him over the line to bring in a new #1 this summer.

*cue hart lickers foaming at the mouth*