Tevez

[DoomMerchant]

At least it's good to hear what actually happened in Munich.

What happened?

Exactly what I said back in September ;-)

so basically what you said in Sept was that Mancini fucking was so pissed at his team for being in a losing position that he insulted Tevez and then made up lies that Tevez wouldn't come on when called upon?

cheers

[Beefymcfc]

so basically what you said in Sept was that Mancini fucking was so pissed at his team for being in a losing position that he insulted Tevez and then made up lies that Tevez wouldn't come on when called upon?

cheers

There you go wide-boy, not exact but near enough. And no, I said nothing of the sort, you're pretend anger position doesn't make it so either.

Cheers.

Now I've seen it all from different angles, I think this is all going to come down to a miscommunication problem.

How can it? To suggest that a player doesn't understand an instruction to either warm up or play is beyond ridiculous.

Tevez is paid an awful lot of money to do exactly what Mancini tells him. That's the bottom line.

Because I'm trying to look at it from both perspectives, not just the closed view of 'He should be shot!', although, that's how I was feeling.

But seeing as you asked, here's another view. Carlos came back and was welcomed with near open arms by Bobby because of his professionalism and what he had done for the club prior to wanting away; it was a fresh start (ish). So, this season he gets himself checked into a clinic to lose some weight and turns up just needing to get up to fitness and settle back into the group. He gets on with that and seems to be doing well in training and finally reach the bench against Bolton, finishing with a 20 minute run and seeing the game out. He then misses out at the Spurs game and gets a recall for the Wigan game, going off at 1-0 up. Since then he's only started the CC and played cameo roles in the dying embers of the other games whilst in each one he's been out warming up ready for the nod from the manager.

Come the Bayern game, he's looked to the Fulham and Everton games and noted that he's not at the top of his game and believes this could be the one to prove he's still got what it takes, especially after Mancini publicly saying that he'll probably get the Bayern match. We all know that football players, especially top ones (even Edin's possibly getting one now), have big ego's and these can be bruised quite easily. Carlos gets told he is sub again and we're going for a similar formation that has won us games so although disconsulate that he doesn't get a game, he has to go with it as he knows he has no leg to stand on because of previous form.

The game gets underway and we do well for the first 20 mins or so and Edin should have spanked one into the back of the net, disappointing for all but eh, that's how it goes. During this, Tevez is warming up just in case he is needed, the goals go in and he's thinking we could be doing better with him on the pitch; maybe the 2nd half is his time.

During the break, they may have been told (only surmising) that if we don't improve then there'll be changes, possibly up front. The game gets underway and it gets worse and him and Nige are sent out to get warmed up, which they do with no hassle. Nige is called back over and gets the call for Dzeko (Carlos carries on warming up), rather than Carlos, which leaves Tevez quietly bubbling on the sidelines wondering what is going on (I'm sure most of us were thinking the same at the time although after a few seconds thought we'd probably twigged that he was shoring things up before the attacking change).

The next minute, Mancini barks for Tevez to get warmed up, again, to which Carlos snaps that he is already warmed up and ready to go whilst thinking that Mancini is taking the piss and his frustrations out on him - warm up, sit down, warm up, sit down. Basically saying that he is ready to go and that if Mancini really wants him to play, he'll put him on now with enough time to make a change to the scoreline. Mancini, who as already lost it by this time gets one of the lads to asks the physio (or whoever it was) to intervene and get him warming up, to which Carlos confirmed he was ready. Mancini is not having any of it and makes alternate changes and sits looking at the floor and the rest is history.

This is how I see it went and with the knowledge that he was chatting with the likes of Vieira et al, and after him making his statement, there could be call that this was the course of events. Yes, it was pathetic and childish for Tevez to not get up and do as he had been told, but prior experiences during the season have told him that he's not necessarily going to get on the pitch. And I do reckon that if he was told to get his jacket off, he would've done so without question but to get up and warm-up again to possibly sit down again was just a step to far. He tried to force the issue and it backfired, for all of us.

It's just a different perspective from what I've seen over the last couple of days. Only got to see the match last night and listened to it on the radio which didn't really have much to say about the incident until they got a brief from Sky, and that's when they dived on the back of it because our game was so dire.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

I'd like to see if all those saying how they won't celebrate if he scores will react if he scores the winner against United. Not celebrating is pathetic, I celebrate every city goal, regardless of who it's scored by, no one player is bigger than the club. Yes he's a cunt, but if he plays, scores and helps us to win the league I wont lose too much sleep over it.

I'll celebrate if he scores. I hated Joey Barton way way before everyone else realised he was only playing for himself & only pretended to give a flying shit about City. I despise Barton more than Tevez.

That doesn't change the fact that I hate the idea of him playing for City.

I hated the idea of Hughes managing City & Bellamy playing for City but found myself defending both against numpties who put themselves above the club. If Bob picks Tevez, I'll back him.

He's without doubt one of the best forwards on the planet, better than Aguerro even I'd say. IF he can get fit it really would be foolish not to play him.

[john68]

Geefers,
Where did that report come from? Was it yours?

[carl_feedthegoat]

I'd like to see if all those saying how they won't celebrate if he scores will react if he scores the winner against United. Not celebrating is pathetic, I celebrate every city goal, regardless of who it's scored by, no one player is bigger than the club. Yes he's a cunt, but if he plays, scores and helps us to win the league I wont lose too much sleep over it.

I'll celebrate if he scores. I hated Joey Barton way way before everyone else realised he was only playing for himself & only pretended to give a flying shit about City. I despise Barton more than Tevez.

That doesn't change the fact that I hate the idea of him playing for City.

I hated the idea of Hughes managing City & Bellamy playing for City but found myself defending both against numpties who put themselves above the club. If Bob picks Tevez, I'll back him.

He's without doubt one of the best forwards on the planet, better than Aguerro even I'd say. IF he can get fit it really would be foolish not to play him.

Statistic wise Aguero is better.

Carry on.

[brite blu sky]

Take away the bitter taste everyone has to him and you are left with the fact that he is a knob. A total knob who can make a difference in a football match.

The question is how can we be sure he isn't going to start another load of shit at some point?

If he does what is necessary (apologise) to quell the players and Mancini's doubts, then we surely have to accept that.

Personally I'd need to see a shed load of heartfelt contrition to let him anywhere near City and even then he is so far up his own arse that you simply cannot trust him to have some other kind of episode.

I doubt that fans in general will forgive him and while they might be polite enough not to boo the dick, i cannot see him regaining any adulation at all.. even if he saves the teams bacon in key matches.

[Beefymcfc]

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[lovecity8utd]

Just cos he now deems it fit to return, doesn't automatically mean he gets picked. He hasn't played in months and when he was here before deciding to do what he did v bayern before disappearing, he wasn't getting picked regularly. He doesn't fit with our team as well as our other strikers do.
And if he thinks he can win the fans back, well he's just having a laugh. He can stay away as far as I'm concerned.

[Mase]

I hate my boss. I think he's a cunt, I'm sure he feels the same. But if he 'barked' at me to do my job I'd fuckin do it! End of.

[Blue Since 76]

I did a lot of things for City. “To be insulted by fans after what happened in Munich was something I didn't deserve.

Doesn't sound like an apology to me.

[Lev Bronstein]

Bloody bastard Monday Night Club

1) "Tevez has been City's main man": not since before Christmas 2010, that's a year he hasn't. One pen, if I remember.

2) "If City fail to win the League, Mancini will get the sack": oh really, take tea with the sheikh do you? A total collapse might see Bobby out, but other than that ....

and more.

[Mase]

Also, in his interview straight after the Munich match he said 'I wasn't ready to play'. Why's was this not brought up and why was he not asked about that statement??

[feedthegreek]

cant stand him like most on here but what a player to have back for the last 2 months, just been listening to 5 live monday night club the host chappers as just read out that statement where tevez said mancini treated him like a dog,claridge who we all despise said if he apologises and putsin 100 percent effort for city he would play him no prob. use all your rescources available to win the league, back to mark chapman confirmed rag is absolutely bricking it. imo it would be like rooney injured all season for them , and they were top and him to come back, also if he did the buisness hed be worth more in the summer football is a dirty buisness lets try weve nothing to lose, we dont have to sing his name or boo him and this time kompany would be the one who lifts the trophy.

[john68]

Cheers B(G)eefers mate,
Sorry but what I really meant was...who originally stated that? You, Tevez, Joorabchian or the media?

Now you know why I rarely use the word "regards"...the T and G are so close together....:-)

[Beefymcfc]

Cheers B(G)eefers mate,
Sorry but what I really meant was...who originally stated that? You, Tevez, Joorabchian or the media?

Now you know why I rarely use the word "regards"...the T and G are so close together....:-)

I don't get you mate, are you talking about my post from after the game or what Tevez has said?

[john68]

The report you posted, offered an alternative view of events in Munich...Whose view was it.?

Regards,

[Beefymcfc]

The report you posted, offered an alternative view of events in Munich...Whose view was it.?

Regards,

Ah right, it was my perspective of what had happened; through Tevez' eyes if you may. It's wierd looking back reading the thread though, it was such a sour time.

[urlnp=http://www.mancityfans.net/mcfnet/viewtopic.php?f=119&t=40276&p=345817#p345817]Link[/urlnp]. Two posts up.

[PALUS]

I think this is what we know..

1. He will apologise and play again.
2. His value will go up
3. Its going to be a bitter sweet feeling him scoring and us winning the league (If).


These are the questions..

1. Whats this about winning the fans back whats the intention?
2. Will he be gone in the summer?
3. Could he be forgiven?

Eh? When did he say he will apologise? He still hasn't admitted doing anything wrong.

cant say much , just he dont deserve City shirt or any shirt for me , fuckin primadona , now when guys fight all season he shud come and put hes price up and betrey this club yet again...and i think Manchini say he will never play again but hey fucking money must fuck ewrithing, so let him play i will chear for goals if he score but for me hes not City player he is fucking money player, and he didnt deserve to be araund the title if we won ..

[blues2win]

Beefy as a poster I always read you disappoint me. Where's the sense in guessing a possible defence for Tevez? He clearly disobeyed instructions from the Manager during a crucial match in the Champion's League. That is disgraceful disloyalty in anyone's book. Frankly I don't care whether he refused to warm up, refused to play or refused to pick his nose. He's paid a fortune ( more in a day than many fans get in a year) to do what he's told by the manager. As it happens he said immediately afterwards that he wasn't ready to play so he's damned from his own mouth.

Yesterday I heard a fan say that he had travelled 26 hours in a coach to watch the Bayern match, that Tevez had been his hero and that he would never forgive him for his behaviour. Now we're told he didn't say Mancini treated him like a dog. Well there's tape of him speaking in Spanish. We'll soon find out what the truth is.

I suppose if he scored the winner against QPR and we won the League I could hardly complain. Still my next thought would be 'Fuck off Tevez'. Personally I'd far rather win without him and Aguero is a damn good replacement. If he does end up playing I wonder what damage it would do to the cohesion of the squad. I think the club would be better off not taking the risk.

[Fesan]

Carlos (and kia) will never EVER look out for anyone but number one. We know that, if we can use them for our benefit for a few months to maybe win the title and drive his price up the fine, but he will never be a part of the squad in our eyes. Look at him as a temp, not a part of the staff, bust someone to temporarely fill a gap.

He'll get his PL winners medal but he'll come back as a cockroach in his next life.