Robinho to Santos on loan seems nailed on

[avoidconfusion]

I still cannot believe Mancini would do this without getting any kind of replacement. This is beginning to really piss me off.

[Tokyo Blue]

We are having a great season and Robinho's input into it has been....about zero. Actually, if anything, his "performances" when he has featured have probably made it more difficult to win (I refer you to numerous "it's like playing with ten men now Robinho is on" comments over the season). So will we miss him? I'll miss his magic yes, I'll miss his very likeable fun side, I'll miss those moments of genius. However, do I think a Robinho-less City will struggle for the remainder of this campaign. Frankly, no, I do not.

A decent post, Ant, but I disagree with the last bit, as quoted. The only time this season we can guarantee he has been fully fit was the first few games of the season and he played a full part in the wins v Blackburn, Palace and Wolves. I do not recall anyone at all complaining about his contribution then (though I am sure some whining fucker must have done at some point). Since then he has had a broken leg and lost his confidence a bit. For me this is no cause whatsoever to throw the towel in on 32 million quid's worth of investment.

He entertains me in the same way as Benarbia, Berkovic and Kinkladze did. Entertainment, skill and goals are why I watch football. Robinho can give me and has given me all of those things.

He has been effective in the past - top scorer last season - and can be effective now and in the future. I think he can influence Wednesday night's game in a very positive way, for example, especially against tired legs. If anyone here genuinely thinks he is an option in the team or off the bench that we are better off without, then I think you are ready for the loony bin.

[ant london]

I still cannot believe Mancini would do this without getting any kind of replacement. This is beginning to really piss me off.

Erm....not being funny but I thought it was pretty clear that Mancini is definitely NOT the one doing this.

Robinho is the one who should be "blamed"

The owner/Khaldoon/Cook/Marwood also would shoulder their share of responsibility

BUT this is a business decision if they let him go. Obviously Roberto would have input into this but it is certainly NOT his decision. Accordingly, I'd recommend you get angry with the agitating player and not the manager/club who are having to manage the best of a bad situation.

[ant london]

If anyone here genuinely thinks he is an option in the team or off the bench that we are better off without, then I think you are ready for the loony bin.

I agree with what you say there entirely and, just to be clear, I didn't say that we would be better off without him

It's him that is angling to leave, I merely said that I think we can cope without him for the rest of the season if needs be and that we are capable of replacing him with someone as good/better in the summer.

[Tokyo Blue]

If anyone here genuinely thinks he is an option in the team or off the bench that we are better off without, then I think you are ready for the loony bin.

I agree with what you say there entirely and, just to be clear, I didn't say that we would be better off without him

It's him that is angling to leave, I merely said that I think we can cope without him for the rest of the season if needs be and that we are capable of replacing him with someone as good/better in the summer.

I know you didn't, Ant. I apologise if it came across that way. You belong in a nuthouse for a variety of different reasons. ;-p

I imagine mancini would not let him go until a replacement is found, much as Hughes did in getting Zabaleta before letting Corluka leave. Common sense that is.

[Ted Hughes]

Has anyone actually seen Neymar play? I'm quite willing to concede that there could be a lot more to him than what I've seen & of course he's only young etc etc but when I've seen him he looks like Robinho's boney, weak, less talented, little brother.

Perhaps they can tell somehow that he's going to become something special in a few years time & that's fair enough, I can accept that could be the case but right now I can't see any way that Neymar would get in City's team ahead of ANY of the large number of young attacking players we've already got.

[Rag_hater]

I still cannot believe Mancini would do this without getting any kind of replacement. This is beginning to really piss me off.

Erm....not being funny but I thought it was pretty clear that Mancini is definitely NOT the one doing this.

Robinho is the one who should be "blamed"

The owner/Khaldoon/Cook/Marwood also would shoulder their share of responsibility

BUT this is a business decision if they let him go. Obviously Roberto would have input into this but it is certainly NOT his decision. Accordingly, I'd recommend you get angry with the agitating player and not the manager/club who are having to manage the best of a bad situation.

Robinho is the one who should be blamed,really.
Its nothing to do with the media witchhunt that is out to tarnish his character.
Its nothing to do with the fans who are supposedly meant to support him turning on him and saying we are better off without him,the sooner he goes the better.
Its nothing to do with the fact he might want to go somewhere they like him.
Mancini may not be the one doing this but I think a large number of our fans and the media do.
So if he wants to leave I think you should have a good look at yourselves cos you've obviously made him feel so welcome.

[ant london]

So if he wants to leave I think you should have a good look at yourselves cos you've obviously made him feel so welcome.

Honestly mate....as others have said....how much of the media do you think he reads

How many City forums does he consult

As to the direct support he's had from me and others. Well I think we can guarantee that we have all cheered, sung his name and generally given him a lot of warmth and support THAT HE CAN HEAR AND FEEL...ie AT EASTLANDS than he's had from you so I think your fervent "support" for Robinho is somewhat lost on him. But well done you for fighting his corner.

And yes I do think he is primarily to blame, as I think I have made clear

[Ted Hughes]

I still cannot believe Mancini would do this without getting any kind of replacement. This is beginning to really piss me off.

Erm....not being funny but I thought it was pretty clear that Mancini is definitely NOT the one doing this.

Robinho is the one who should be "blamed"

The owner/Khaldoon/Cook/Marwood also would shoulder their share of responsibility

BUT this is a business decision if they let him go. Obviously Roberto would have input into this but it is certainly NOT his decision. Accordingly, I'd recommend you get angry with the agitating player and not the manager/club who are having to manage the best of a bad situation.

Robinho is the one who should be blamed,really.
Its nothing to do with the media witchhunt that is out to tarnish his character.
Its nothing to do with the fans who are supposedly meant to support him turning on him and saying we are better off without him,the sooner he goes the better.
Its nothing to do with the fact he might want to go somewhere they like him.
Mancini may not be the one doing this but I think a large number of our fans and the media do.
So if he wants to leave I think you should have a good look at yourselves cos you've obviously made him feel so welcome.

I'll put those comments down to ignorance because you don't go to games but Robinho has had great support from City fans. His goal celebration where he ran to the fans & hugged them should be proof that even you can see. If he has a bad patch in Brazil, the fans would be much worse to him, a fact Elano stated when he was over here.

If you remember, Robinho also walked out to Brazil at the same period last year when he'd been getting nothing less than hereo worship. The problem you now have is that your whipping boy, Hughes, has gone so you need to find someone on which to blame any problems Robinho may have & you've picked on us. We've done fuck all to Robinho other than sing his name & help pay his wages. If that's not good enough for him, or you, then I suggest you both fuck off.

[Rag_hater]

So if he wants to leave I think you should have a good look at yourselves cos you've obviously made him feel so welcome.

Honestly mate....as others have said....how much of the media do you think he reads

How many City forums does he consult

As to the direct support he's had from me and others. Well I think we can guarantee that we have all cheered, sung his name and generally given him a lot of warmth and support THAT HE CAN HEAR AND FEEL...ie AT EASTLANDS than he's had from you so I think your fervent "support" for Robinho is somewhat lost on him. But well done you for fighting his corner.

And yes I do think he is primarily to blame, as I think I have made clear

So when Stevie commented on reading the Sunderland comment it was accepted that players read the things that are written about them.
Yet when it suits your argument that fact is one your happy to dismiss.
You and a lot of other fans have made it very clear that you dont want him.
A lot of it seems to be jealousy of the fact he gets 160,000 a week.
The media having it in for him is somewhat understandable but our own fans.
When that happens maybe it is time to move on.

[ant london]

your arguments are pretty tenuous fella. Stevie reading the forums as a young player who has come through the ranks, speaks English as a first language AND who HAD been able to hear groans and rumbles from the crowd (which I repeat....Robinho has simply not had from the stands) is one thing.

Robinho reading them is another thing altogether. He has stated that he feels that he's one of the world's best, was heralded as a new Pele...even if he did read them I don't think he'd care as he rates himself.

As I've said before (if you would care to actually read what is said) I did NOT want him to go, I very much like him as a character and as a player. I want him at City IF he wants to be here. If not then I accept that it is better that he leaves...that is very different from wanting him gone.

And the jealousy thing point is too laughable to comment on

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

I don't know about this one. It seems a very odd choice from the club to let him go.

I assume that from his on the pitch attitude and his desire to return to Brazil Robbie is really struggling mentally at the moment. I don't think we'll see him in a City shirt again.

[Ted Hughes]

I also don't want him to go, even now & I thought he played well at Scunthorpe but if he can't be arsed & isn't willing to fight for a place in the team then that his decision & his fault.

[Alex Sapphire]

a 6 month loan could see him back here for the start of our season and available to our CL campaign, refreshed after getting his annual "fix" of home/family.
if he doesn't want to come back, then he will represent a way to balance our books (for Michel P's benefit) by getting a decent fee for him (especially after a great WC) and using his wage to cover those of a couple of very good players.
Good business/man management if he's unsettled but also a good way to get him match fit (which he's not looked since he came back from a long injury) and to increase his transfer fee.

[Vhero]

I just put this in bollox.. The Robinho move will be good for a few reasons.
1. He is taking a pay cut to go there so we don't have to pay any of his wages
2. In return we get first refusal on there 2 hottest prospects
3. He may come back rejuvenated and back to his old self

[john@staustell]

He's just not up for it I'm afraid.

We City fans can clutch at a lot of straws and say he played well on Sunday (I should hope so), and that he was OK for the first half a season, mostly at home.

But at the end of the day not all the press are anti-City, yet he will be universally remembered as a 'flop' and AS A PLAYER, not worth the money. Sure there are anti-City folk, but we have to note 'neutral' opinion.

However as a statement of intent, at putting the new owners on the map, and City on the big stage worldwide, he more than served his purpose. Now both parties will move on. City to bigger and better things, Robinho to the World Cup, which is all he really bothers about.

[Rag_hater]

your arguments are pretty tenuous fella. Stevie reading the forums as a young player who has come through the ranks, speaks English as a first language AND who HAD been able to hear groans and rumbles from the crowd (which I repeat....Robinho has simply not had from the stands) is one thing.

Robinho reading them is another thing altogether. He has stated that he feels that he's one of the world's best, was heralded as a new Pele...even if he did read them I don't think he'd care as he rates himself.

As I've said before (if you would care to actually read what is said) I did NOT want him to go, I very much like him as a character and as a player. I want him at City IF he wants to be here. If not then I accept that it is better that he leaves...that is very different from wanting him gone.

And the jealousy thing point is too laughable to comment on

If you dont think he reads anything about himself thats fair enough.You wont stop me thinking he does.
And I've come across enough people in my life who have said on thing whilst meaning another.
And the wages may seem laughable to you, but its a fact that has been commented on here and other places many times.
I'm sure he is as financially secure as he will ever need to be so if he doesn't want to stay at a place where he is not liked then I find it understandable that he would want to leave.
If you get the feeling lots of people dont like you,whats the point in staying?

[Ted Hughes]

your arguments are pretty tenuous fella. Stevie reading the forums as a young player who has come through the ranks, speaks English as a first language AND who HAD been able to hear groans and rumbles from the crowd (which I repeat....Robinho has simply not had from the stands) is one thing.

Robinho reading them is another thing altogether. He has stated that he feels that he's one of the world's best, was heralded as a new Pele...even if he did read them I don't think he'd care as he rates himself.

As I've said before (if you would care to actually read what is said) I did NOT want him to go, I very much like him as a character and as a player. I want him at City IF he wants to be here. If not then I accept that it is better that he leaves...that is very different from wanting him gone.

And the jealousy thing point is too laughable to comment on

If you dont think he reads anything about himself thats fair enough.You wont stop me thinking he does.
And I've come across enough people in my life who have said on thing whilst meaning another.
And the wages may seem laughable to you, but its a fact that has been commented on here and other places many times.
I'm sure he is as financially secure as he will ever need to be so if he doesn't want to stay at a place where he is not liked then I find it understandable that he would want to leave.
If you get the feeling lots of people dont like you,whats the point in staying?

You're a nutcase.

[9secondlegend]

breaking news on SSN.

mancini confirms we are in talks with santos on loan deal.

[Beeks]

breaking news on SSN.

mancini confirms we are in talks with santos on loan deal.

AND

Sao Paolo!

*does the rumba*