1-6 was a wake up call - yeah yeah yeah

[Blue Since 76]

Of course their team is worse than it has been for some time. I can see that on the pitch. How some of you can't is strange.

I don't think anyone's said they don't think they're worse. What is being said is that they're still winning and at the end of the season the title is handed to the team with the most points not the one who subjectively looked best.

If we keep playing as we are we'll win the league but I expect them to be second. Teams still don't believe they can beat them and no one is getting the luck. From what I saw last week, Newcastle could beat them but I expect them to put in a much more timid performance and lose to a deflected off side own goal.

[mr_nool]

Of course their team is worse than it has been for some time. I can see that on the pitch. How some of you can't is strange.

I don't think anyone's said they don't think they're worse. What is being said is that they're still winning and at the end of the season the title is handed to the team with the most points not the one who subjectively looked best.

If we keep playing as we are we'll win the league but I expect them to be second. Teams still don't believe they can beat them and no one is getting the luck. From what I saw last week, Newcastle could beat them but I expect them to put in a much more timid performance and lose to a deflected off side own goal.

I sort of did. Didn't quite mean to, but I expressed myself poorly.
I do agree that their squad is thinner than it was a couple of years back and that they play worse. But I won't write them off until we've ended up ahead of them in the league.

[brite blu sky]

Still no-one acknowledging ted's point about oppositions not putting in performances.. again it is qualitative but pretty easy to see tbh. Sunderland being prime example and the amount of absolutely open nets they have somehow escaped punishment for.

It is really tricky to pin down like all arguments based on what you see, that doesn't mean it isn't real though. ted made the point umpteen times that the rags get away with it, the punditry and media puts a positive battled it out spin on things and like after the 1-6 all bleat in unison 'U*d will react to this and come back stronger' Everton and the rest buy into that hook and line and put in a wary and half baked performance expecting a backlash.

IF the media en-masse had come out and said what virtually all rags fans know; that they have no backbone to the side. teams can cut off the supply line to the wings and make them chase with inadequate players not used to providing midfield grit. Their defence is not confident from the keeper out and they are vunerable (stats actually back up that last point). if the media kept banging that assessment out then other teams would believe it and believe in themselves more able to have a go and stand toe to toe.

That doesn't happen as there is a propaganda machine knowingly or even unknowingly doing their work for them.

The real wake up call needed is not for the rags team but the rest of us - THE RAGS ARE ACTUALLY SHITE AND 50% OF THEIR GAME IS REPUTATION.

[Dubciteh]

Still no-one acknowledging ted's point about oppositions not putting in performances.. again it is qualitative but pretty easy to see tbh. Sunderland being prime example and the amount of absolutely open nets they have somehow escaped punishment for.

It is really tricky to pin down like all arguments based on what you see, that doesn't mean it isn't real though. ted made the point umpteen times that the rags get away with it, the punditry and media puts a positive battled it out spin on things and like after the 1-6 all bleat in unison 'U*d will react to this and come back stronger' Everton and the rest buy into that hook and line and put in a wary and half baked performance expecting a backlash.

IF the media en-masse had come out and said what virtually all rags fans know; that they have no backbone to the side. teams can cut off the supply line to the wings and make them chase with inadequate players not used to providing midfield grit. Their defence is not confident from the keeper out and they are vunerable (stats actually back up that last point). if the media kept banging that assessment out then other teams would believe it and believe in themselves more able to have a go and stand toe to toe.

That doesn't happen as there is a propaganda machine knowingly or even unknowingly doing their work for them.

The real wake up call needed is not for the rags team but the rest of us - THE RAGS ARE ACTUALLY SHITE AND 50% OF THEIR GAME IS REPUTATION.

Will you give over talking about propaganda its tiresome.

And i think you will find i did acknowledge teds point of oppositions not putting in the performance.

And another thing, its fine to say there getting worse and not the team they were and we are stronger etc etc but to say there "shite" is over the top, if that's the case we have nothing to worry about and may aswell collect the trophy this weekend, and if we cant beat this "shite" team over 38 games we may aswell give up. Thanks for the wake up call.

[brite blu sky]

Will you give over talking about propaganda its tiresome.

And i think you will find i did acknowledge teds point of oppositions not putting in the performance.

And another thing, its fine to say there getting worse and not the team they were and we are stronger etc etc but to say there "shite" is over the top, if that's the case we have nothing to worry about and may aswell collect the trophy this weekend, and if we cant beat this "shite" team over 38 games we may aswell give up. Thanks for the wake up call.

Oh, i didn't realise that as i dont read your posts. I'd suggest you don't read mine either if you think it is tiresome.

I think the rags are shite and that's not my problem if it offends you.

ta.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Interesting debate.

Psychological warfare at it's finest. When I watch the Rags play I see an ageing defence, backed up by inexperienced players with good potential. A central midfield lacking any real quality whatsoever. Wide players that on their day are devastating but are still generally inconsistent. A forward line with real world class quality.

The biggest weapon in their arsenal is undoubtedly their self belief and I think this is the point that Ted is driving at. The 1-6 humiliation should have undermined that belief and the opposition that have played them since should have capitalised on this but unfortunately normal service was resumed and the opposition lost to the name and reputation before they even took to the field. It's frustrating but it will take more than one annihilation for the rest of the league to cop on to the fact that they are not the force they once were, but it is what it is. We just have to concentrate on ourselves and ensure we keep winning and hope the penny drops with the rest of them that U*d are not as good as everyone believes they are and start going at them.

[Dubciteh]

Will you give over talking about propaganda its tiresome.

And i think you will find i did acknowledge teds point of oppositions not putting in the performance.

And another thing, its fine to say there getting worse and not the team they were and we are stronger etc etc but to say there "shite" is over the top, if that's the case we have nothing to worry about and may aswell collect the trophy this weekend, and if we cant beat this "shite" team over 38 games we may aswell give up. Thanks for the wake up call.

Oh, i didn't realise that as i dont read your posts. I'd suggest you don't read mine either if you think it is tiresome.

I think the rags are shite and that's not my problem if it offends you.

ta.

Doesn't offend me in the slightest, just wish it was closer to the truth than you make it out to be! I dont mind reading your posts i like reading everyone's posts/views but you have too many propaganda this and propaganda that posts for my liking, you seem intent on belittling people who don't agree with you and your superior intelligence.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Instead of reading the fucking scores out & reading from the Ferguson family bible, how about watching the football & having an honest opinion on what you see ? Look at the game, is it quality ? If not FUCKING SAY SO.

Ask yourselves if the versions of Ferdinand, Giggs & Co are performing as well as you have seen them in recent times. Ask yourselves what you would think if it was City & not Utd who had produced the performances v Norwich, Sunderland, Basel etc & ask yourselves if it was any other team, would you have them down as potential champions from what you have seen.

If you say 'yes' you are telling lies. The only reson you are rating what they have done is because you have bought into the bullshit that is Manchester Utd. Unfortunately, a lot of opposing players have bought into the same shite & wait for them to score rather than just turning them over when they are struggling. That is their biggest strength, that people do exactly what some of you are doing; they look at the myth rather than playing the team on the pitch, which has been gradually dropping in standard for some time.

Does it matter how bad there performances are once they are grinding out results? For them to have played as bad as they have and still have the points haul they have is annoyingly impressive. one thing i have learned over the years is never write the cnuts off, i will only be satisfied once its mathematically impossible for them to catch us. I dont give a shit what there performances are like while they are getting results, i will only be happy when they stop getting results.

I agree with Dubciteh. We've been harping on about their decline for at least the last three years, but they still seem to be alive and kicking.You all might be right that they have turned to shit, but I choose not to believe it until I see it reflected in their results.

amen

It's the fucking performances I'm talking about, how many times do I have to say it ? Yes they have won some games, that cannot be denied & I have made no attempt to deny it. They have not been very good. Surely you people can see this or have you been so blinded by the bullshit machine that you can't make an appraisal of what you actually see on the pitch ?

All you're doing is repeating the same old shite you've heard Hansen, Fat Sam & Co trot out about "tahts ow yu wint leeg" no it fucking isn't!! That's how you win the league if nobody else is good enough to do better! Being out played by Norwich & Sunderland & Swansea isn't fucking impressive FFS! If it happens to us you won't be impressed you'll say WE WERE POOR. They didn't fucking GRIND OUT those resuts, they were half arsed, slow, unimaginitive & weak. Why are you giving them credit for that ? The idea is that WHEN you have an off day, you still win, not that you play poorly in most games and get away with it.

You lot are proof of why these fucking people can play like they did v Norwich & Sunderland & Swansea & have opposition players pissing chances up the wall, week in week out; because they believe the hype & are more nervous playing against this unbeatable machine. Even when City put fucking 6 past them, they've got you lot back on track by playing just as poorly as they did v us & getting credit for it. They have been no better at all but you're willing to ignore that because Sinclair missed an open net.

Watch their performance: if they play well; say so. If they are poor & lucky: SAY SO. Not "oo thi gownd owt another win thi did"

And you're just as bad, none of us are saying they are playing well, we're just saying they keep on wining.

[Alex Sapphire]

I agree with Dubciteh. We've been harping on about their decline for at least the last three years, but they still seem to be alive and kicking.You all might be right that they have turned to shit, but I choose not to believe it until I see it reflected in their results.

amen

It's the fucking performances I'm talking about, how many times do I have to say it ? Yes they have won some games, that cannot be denied & I have made no attempt to deny it. They have not been very good. Surely you people can see this or have you been so blinded by the bullshit machine that you can't make an appraisal of what you actually see on the pitch ?

All you're doing is repeating the same old shite you've heard Hansen, Fat Sam & Co trot out about "tahts ow yu wint leeg" no it fucking isn't!! That's how you win the league if nobody else is good enough to do better! Being out played by Norwich & Sunderland & Swansea isn't fucking impressive FFS! If it happens to us you won't be impressed you'll say WE WERE POOR. They didn't fucking GRIND OUT those resuts, they were half arsed, slow, unimaginitive & weak. Why are you giving them credit for that ? The idea is that WHEN you have an off day, you still win, not that you play poorly in most games and get away with it.

You lot are proof of why these fucking people can play like they did v Norwich & Sunderland & Swansea & have opposition players pissing chances up the wall, week in week out; because they believe the hype & are more nervous playing against this unbeatable machine. Even when City put fucking 6 past them, they've got you lot back on track by playing just as poorly as they did v us & getting credit for it. They have been no better at all but you're willing to ignore that because Sinclair missed an open net.

Watch their performance: if they play well; say so. If they are poor & lucky: SAY SO. Not "oo thi gownd owt another win thi did"

And you're just as bad, none of us are saying they are playing well, we're just saying they keep on wining.

I'm just amazed that all of these professional football people from all of these clubs, along with the pundits ex managers and industrty experts (or "these fucking people" as ted calls them), of all of them NO-ONE has worked this out and yet Ted has. they still keep sending their teams out full of fear, ignoring what is crystal clear to Ted. It's bad enough that those "oo thi gownd owt another win thi did" village idiots on here don't get it, on top of that these so called professionals fluff chances and drop their heads, week in week out, in spite of their training and the fanatical support from the stands.How did they get into football. How have Everton stayed in the top flight so long if all they do is roll over for the scum? Have they not noticed its getting easier by the day to take them on? And Swansea, what's your excuse? you've not played them in the prem before. can't you just play what's in front of you and win for fucks sake. I. Don't you know that City have scored as many goals against them this season as the rest of you losers put together. We just need to get this message across (3 or 4 years too late it has to be said) that YOU CAN WIN against the Scum. Now go do it, you fucking people you.

[Alioune DVToure]

This thread is approaching 'Is Scott Parker really that good?' levels of cyclical debate and sheer tedium.

[Ted Hughes]

And you're just as bad, none of us are saying they are playing well, we're just saying they keep on wining.

I made the point that I don't think they are as good as they used to be, people chose the argument that it isn't true because they keep wiining & keep replying to it with the same stuff, which is totally irrelevant to what I said in the first place.

Now we have your helpful contribution.

[Ted Hughes]

I agree with Dubciteh. We've been harping on about their decline for at least the last three years, but they still seem to be alive and kicking.You all might be right that they have turned to shit, but I choose not to believe it until I see it reflected in their results.

amen

It's the fucking performances I'm talking about, how many times do I have to say it ? Yes they have won some games, that cannot be denied & I have made no attempt to deny it. They have not been very good. Surely you people can see this or have you been so blinded by the bullshit machine that you can't make an appraisal of what you actually see on the pitch ?

All you're doing is repeating the same old shite you've heard Hansen, Fat Sam & Co trot out about "tahts ow yu wint leeg" no it fucking isn't!! That's how you win the league if nobody else is good enough to do better! Being out played by Norwich & Sunderland & Swansea isn't fucking impressive FFS! If it happens to us you won't be impressed you'll say WE WERE POOR. They didn't fucking GRIND OUT those resuts, they were half arsed, slow, unimaginitive & weak. Why are you giving them credit for that ? The idea is that WHEN you have an off day, you still win, not that you play poorly in most games and get away with it.

You lot are proof of why these fucking people can play like they did v Norwich & Sunderland & Swansea & have opposition players pissing chances up the wall, week in week out; because they believe the hype & are more nervous playing against this unbeatable machine. Even when City put fucking 6 past them, they've got you lot back on track by playing just as poorly as they did v us & getting credit for it. They have been no better at all but you're willing to ignore that because Sinclair missed an open net.

Watch their performance: if they play well; say so. If they are poor & lucky: SAY SO. Not "oo thi gownd owt another win thi did"

And you're just as bad, none of us are saying they are playing well, we're just saying they keep on wining.

I'm just amazed that all of these professional football people from all of these clubs, along with the pundits ex managers and industrty experts (or "these fucking people" as ted calls them), of all of them NO-ONE has worked this out and yet Ted has. they still keep sending their teams out full of fear, ignoring what is crystal clear to Ted. It's bad enough that those "oo thi gownd owt another win thi did" village idiots on here don't get it, on top of that these so called professionals fluff chances and drop their heads, week in week out, in spite of their training and the fanatical support from the stands.How did they get into football. How have Everton stayed in the top flight so long if all they do is roll over for the scum? Have they not noticed its getting easier by the day to take them on? And Swansea, what's your excuse? you've not played them in the prem before. can't you just play what's in front of you and win for fucks sake. I. Don't you know that City have scored as many goals against them this season as the rest of you losers put together. We just need to get this message across (3 or 4 years too late it has to be said) that YOU CAN WIN against the Scum. Now go do it, you fucking people you.

Bit childish don't you think ? Teams will not be overrawed & will beat Utd because their manager tells them to ?

Teddy Sherringham said last week that playing for Utd is different than playing for any other club. He said: "Everyone tries that exra bit harder to beat you OR EVEN GET A DRAW". That 'trying extra hard' quote is one used by ex players, ex managers, media pundits etc etc for years when discussing the wonderfulness of Utd; they still come through even though everyone tries 'extra hard' against them. I am saying that the 'extra hard' effect, which may once have made winning the title more difficult for them, now represents 'extra nervous' & actually beats teams before they play them.

We are currently between the two. Some teams are raising their games v us, others are intimidated by us. You may not be able to see that in our opposition or Utd's opposition, but I recon I can. I also recon that, when we win a few more trophies, teams will start to fuck up v us, like they do for the rags.

That wasn't my point which you were arguing against & seeking to disprove however. My point was that no matter how many games tey win, they're not as good as they were. I'm right; they're not.

[mr_nool]

This thread is approaching 'Is Scott Parker really that good?' levels of cyclical debate and sheer tedium.

Would Scott Parker improve United's midfield?

[Goaters 103]

End of the day, lets see where we are and they are in May when the prizes have been handed out.

[feedthegreek]

scroll down to someone called stony on here i think ted as signed up.

http://www.nufc-forum.com/nufcforum/ind ... c=41793.15

btw teds right imo.

[brite blu sky]

This thread is approaching 'Is Scott Parker really that good?' levels of cyclical debate and sheer tedium.

Would Scott Parker improve United's midfield?

Of course he would.. look at the stats, Spurs have a better form than the rags so that just proves it !

Seriously though I actually think he would. And while I'm at it, i think Spurs are now better than the rags..

will they beat them though later in the season?

[Bridge'srightfoot]

That wasn't my point which you were arguing against & seeking to disprove however. My point was that no matter how many games tey win, they're not as good as they were. I'm right; they're not.

Oh now you've said you're right no one can dispute that. You may think United are in decline, others may agree with you, doesn't make your opinion unquestionable.

[Ted Hughes]

That wasn't my point which you were arguing against & seeking to disprove however. My point was that no matter how many games tey win, they're not as good as they were. I'm right; they're not.

Oh now you've said you're right no one can dispute that. You may think United are in decline, others may agree with you, doesn't make your opinion unquestionable.

It doesn't, but I bet there isn't even one of you fuckers who genuinely believes this current Utd side is as good as the ones with Ronaldo, Tevez, Scholes, K***e, Beck***, Cant*** etc etc you're just spouting a load of fucking shite & argueing for the sake of it.

You know I'm right & you also know most rags fans & people in general agree with me, because in reality, you agree with me too.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

That wasn't my point which you were arguing against & seeking to disprove however. My point was that no matter how many games tey win, they're not as good as they were. I'm right; they're not.

Oh now you've said you're right no one can dispute that. You may think United are in decline, others may agree with you, doesn't make your opinion unquestionable.

It doesn't, but I bet there isn't even one of you fuckers who genuinely believes this current Utd side is as good as the ones with Ronaldo, Tevez, Scholes, K***e, Beck***, Cant*** etc etc you're just spouting a load of fucking shite & argueing for the sake of it.

You know I'm right & you also know most rags fans & people in general agree with me, because in reality, you agree with me too.

I agree with you to an extent and I often do. But you're trying to make out as if they have a shit team and the only reason they win is because other teams roll over. Do you really think opposition managers tell their side to just let United beat them?

I don't really see them in decline, I see them staying at a steady position, we're just rising and catching up.

[Alioune DVToure]

This thread is approaching 'Is Scott Parker really that good?' levels of cyclical debate and sheer tedium.

[highlight]Would Scott Parker improve United's midfield?[/highlight]

Of course he would.. look at the stats, Spurs have a better form than the rags so that just proves it !

Seriously though I actually think he would. And while I'm at it, i think Spurs are now better than the rags..

will they beat them though later in the season?

Oh no! What the fuck have you started now?