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Postby btajim » Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:07 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Wooders wrote:I do agree that silva is over-rated
10 million + RSC would be a fair price


you are not entirely wrong although 10m would not get his left sock. I'm slightly worried who he'd cope with physical nature of the game. He has pace and skill in abundance but he will not defend anymore than Petrov. If we buy him, we need to play him on the wing at least for the first few seasons.


I've got no problem with him being on the wing. If he can do the most damage in the final third then that's where he should be. The defence can be tightened up seperately - but remember that we do have 93 defensive Midfielders on the books now. Mancini will seek to play all of them.
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Postby Green in blue » Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:45 am

Manchester City winger Vladimir Weiss would be flattered by reported interest from Newcastle, according to his agent Juraj Venglos.

The St James' Park have been linked with move for the 20-year-old Slovakia international, who has helped his side reach the last 16 of the World Cup in South Africa.

In January, Weiss joined Bolton on loan, making 13 appearances and contributed to Owen Coyle's side avoiding relegation from the top flight.

Venglos told TASR: "Vladimir would surely be flattered by the chance to play regularly at a club as big as Newcastle United.

"I know of Newcastle's interest only from the media. In any case, Vladmimir naturally wants to play at a good club, but he will have to make a decision himself.

"Whether there is any truth in it or not, one thing is for sure - any possible negotiations will begin only after the World Cup."

Weiss moved to Manchester City in 2006 and proved to be an instant hit at Eastlands, winning the FA Youth Cup in 2007.

The youngster had to wait until 2009 before scoring his first senior goal against Arsenal in the Carling Cup.

In the same year, the promising Slovakian signed a new contract at City, keeping him at the club until 2012.
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Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:53 am

btajim wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Wooders wrote:I do agree that silva is over-rated
10 million + RSC would be a fair price


you are not entirely wrong although 10m would not get his left sock. I'm slightly worried who he'd cope with physical nature of the game. He has pace and skill in abundance but he will not defend anymore than Petrov. If we buy him, we need to play him on the wing at least for the first few seasons.


I've got no problem with him being on the wing. If he can do the most damage in the final third then that's where he should be. The defence can be tightened up seperately - but remember that we do have 93 defensive Midfielders on the books now. Mancini will seek to play all of them.


as far as I can see, at this moment we have three defensive midfielders. Barry, De Jong and Vieira. I believe that Vieira is there only for cover and to play bit part roles. Barry is definite starter but I think De Jongs situation is most interesting if Toure joins. I don't think Mancini was necessarily too impressed with him. He benched him on few occasions and let's face it, he offers nothing as creative department. I don't think it's entirely impossible that he will turn into bit part player and we will ship him off, if not this summer then in january.

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Postby CityGer » Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:55 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Wooders wrote:I do agree that silva is over-rated
10 million + RSC would be a fair price


you are not entirely wrong although 10m would not get his left sock. I'm slightly worried who he'd cope with physical nature of the game. He has pace and skill in abundance but he will not defend anymore than Petrov. If we buy him, we need to play him on the wing at least for the first few seasons.



Who would be your first choice signings this summer? I'm interested to know.

The reason being that I've yet to see you discuss one of our rumoured siging targets without a sense of negativity. Milner's average, Yaya doesn't do enough, Silva won't defend, Boateng can't defend etc etc etc.....

This isn't a dig, you obviously have other players in mind. So, in NQDP's perfect world, who would we buy?
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Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:12 am

CityGer wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Wooders wrote:I do agree that silva is over-rated
10 million + RSC would be a fair price


you are not entirely wrong although 10m would not get his left sock. I'm slightly worried who he'd cope with physical nature of the game. He has pace and skill in abundance but he will not defend anymore than Petrov. If we buy him, we need to play him on the wing at least for the first few seasons.



Who would be your first choice signings this summer? I'm interested to know.

The reason being that I've yet to see you discuss one of our rumoured siging targets without a sense of negativity. Milner's average, Yaya doesn't do enough, Silva won't defend, Boateng can't defend etc etc etc.....

This isn't a dig, you obviously have other players in mind. So, in NQDP's perfect world, who would we buy?


Hmmmmmm...... think you have me down bit wrong mate. I'm more of pondering upsides and down sides of each transfer. All the players mentioned there are really really good players in certain roles.

Milner is fine jack-of-all-trades player. For me the problem is that in my opinion he is master of none meaning I can't figure out where he'd start regularily. The kind of transfer fee we would've had to pay for him (I think that deal is over now after Villa's ridiculous asking price) is something that is paid for "first name on the team sheet kind of players", not the ones who'd play where ever regulr starter is injured.

Yaya is brilliant holding midfielder. But is this really position of urgent need? Unless we are planning to play with two holding midfielders, I can't quite figure out this signing. Unless we are taking "if there's a quality player available, we'll buy him" approach. In which case I'd understand it well as he is definite improvement on De Jong and imo even better player than Barry.

Silva is fantastic and super skillfull player who I have enjoyed watching for Valencia for years. I'm actually really excited about the prospect of him joining if we are playing 4-2-3-1 next season and he has no defensive duties. Him on the left and Tevez on the right with both in free roles is actually mouth watering prospect. HOWEVER, I have been following City for a long time now and I already know what people are looking for in wingers. I could do thousand word essay about it but two words will explain it best. Those words are "Summerbee" and "Mike". David Silva is NOTHING like him. I fear that people may not fully appreciate him and when he has one of his off games, and he has one in about every three where he contributes nothing, people will/might turn against him. But personally I like the idea of Silva on the left.

Boateng. Like I said, he is just bit of a question mark. Very very similar to Micah in that he seems hugely talented but also has poor periods like most of the spring this season. I have never said that he can't defend but it remains to be seen whether he can step up. He has all the tools....... but then again, so does Micah.

Furthermore, my main concern is about the system we are going to use next season. I have been repeating for a year now that proper playmaker is what we need in my opinion. So far we have not signed one and it makes me slightly worried. I am firmly of opinion that 4-4-2 with two holdinbg midfielders and overlapping fullbacks is bullshit tactics. Especially as we don't have fullbacks who can do the job. Anyway, there are maybe six or seven fullbacks who can do that job in acceptable level and most of them already play in one of the very top clubs and will not join us. We would just end up giving up whole central area in attacking third and desperate, too slow, fullbacks trying to join the attack and leaving their spots in defence wide open hoping that central midfielders, who are the ones that should join attack, covering their positions. Absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.

Who the players we should sign are? There are numerous I'd quite like, like Ozil, Gourcuff etc. We have Marwood and to lesser extent Mancini to figure out these targets. I also have underlying fear that we might be falling to rabbit hole of Director of Football systm. Ie we are signing decent players but the kind that manager can't really use.

But we'll see it better when the season kicks off.
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Postby john@staustell » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:24 am

Amazing how selective memories are with the 2 words 'Summerbee' and 'Mike'. He had a love/hate banter relationship with the fans. When he was on song he was great, the rest of the time he was lazy, hungover and crap, and the fans told him. I hope Silva will be more consistent!
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Postby Ted Hughes » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:34 am

Think we'll need fullbacks who can get forward even more if we change away from 4-4-2 personally. Brazil's system, if we copy it or do something similar, absolutely depends on it.

It's a catch 22 situation imo regarding 'holding' midfielders (which Toure isn't strictly, he just does it if asked & is actually very good indeed going forward), if you don't have them, the forwards have to defend more, if you have several, the forwards have to be more effective on their own in the attacking 3rd. Getting the balance right isn't easy. I have a feeling Mancini will use Silva (if he signs) as the 'playmaker' & possibly Toure as his 'minder', so not quite a holding player but one who is still ready to get back at the 1st sign of danger.

If Ireland got his shit together, he could be fantastic playing next to someone like Toure, linking up with Silva in attack then doing his Superman bit & sprinting back to recover the ball, an allround excellent midfielder rather than an average playmaker. That's the job he'll end up doing if he leaves City, so why the fuck he can't just get on with it for us, I don't know. He'll never be Ronaldinho but he could be world class as the bloke who plays next to him.
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Postby john@staustell » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:41 am

Incidentally Jo is wanted by Real:

http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/gen/2010 ... seado.html

....Sociedad.

Apparently there will be no fee. Loan maybe.
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Postby Original Dub » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:53 am

john@staustell wrote:Incidentally Jo is wanted by Real:

http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/gen/2010 ... seado.html

....Sociedad.

Apparently there will be no fee. Loan maybe.


You're the king of the transfers on here chief - have you read/heard what Silva's dad has had to say on his "impending" transfer??
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Postby john@staustell » Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:25 pm

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john@staustell wrote:Incidentally Jo is wanted by Real:

http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/gen/2010 ... seado.html

....Sociedad.

Apparently there will be no fee. Loan maybe.


You're the king of the transfers on here chief - have you read/heard what Silva's dad has had to say on his "impending" transfer??


Yes I did mate. Just a bit bombed out be all this stuff last couple of weeks. Looks like Touré, Silva, Milner and AN Other could all come together nicely very shortly though.

According to AS, roughly speaking:

Whilst waiting for Valencia and City to make the transfer of Silva official, the Canarian player's father spoke to Cadena Ser to justify his son's decision. "Valencia this year have said that yes, he is transferable and it's clear they need the money. Thus we have listened to this offer, which is very good for us, and the decision is taken. Now we only await the two clubs closing the deal" explained Fernando Jimenez (Silva) going into detail on the obvious economic needs of El Che: "They said to us that we could speak to clubs and the best example is El City, which is the club that has shown the most interest in signing David."

Silva's father was sincere in his views. "I know that like Valencia they aren't anywhere (titleholders) yet, but there are very weighty reasons". (Very clumsy sentence to translate) .

About his son in SA he said: "For me they should play him and 10 others . He's been key up until now."
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Postby CityGer » Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:28 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
CityGer wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Wooders wrote:I do agree that silva is over-rated
10 million + RSC would be a fair price


you are not entirely wrong although 10m would not get his left sock. I'm slightly worried who he'd cope with physical nature of the game. He has pace and skill in abundance but he will not defend anymore than Petrov. If we buy him, we need to play him on the wing at least for the first few seasons.



Who would be your first choice signings this summer? I'm interested to know.

The reason being that I've yet to see you discuss one of our rumoured siging targets without a sense of negativity. Milner's average, Yaya doesn't do enough, Silva won't defend, Boateng can't defend etc etc etc.....

This isn't a dig, you obviously have other players in mind. So, in NQDP's perfect world, who would we buy?


Hmmmmmm...... think you have me down bit wrong mate. I'm more of pondering upsides and down sides of each transfer. All the players mentioned there are really really good players in certain roles.

Milner is fine jack-of-all-trades player. For me the problem is that in my opinion he is master of none meaning I can't figure out where he'd start regularily. The kind of transfer fee we would've had to pay for him (I think that deal is over now after Villa's ridiculous asking price) is something that is paid for "first name on the team sheet kind of players", not the ones who'd play where ever regulr starter is injured.

Yaya is brilliant holding midfielder. But is this really position of urgent need? Unless we are planning to play with two holding midfielders, I can't quite figure out this signing. Unless we are taking "if there's a quality player available, we'll buy him" approach. In which case I'd understand it well as he is definite improvement on De Jong and imo even better player than Barry.

Silva is fantastic and super skillfull player who I have enjoyed watching for Valencia for years. I'm actually really excited about the prospect of him joining if we are playing 4-2-3-1 next season and he has no defensive duties. Him on the left and Tevez on the right with both in free roles is actually mouth watering prospect. HOWEVER, I have been following City for a long time now and I already know what people are looking for in wingers. I could do thousand word essay about it but two words will explain it best. Those words are "Summerbee" and "Mike". David Silva is NOTHING like him. I fear that people may not fully appreciate him and when he has one of his off games, and he has one in about every three where he contributes nothing, people will/might turn against him. But personally I like the idea of Silva on the left.

Boateng. Like I said, he is just bit of a question mark. Very very similar to Micah in that he seems hugely talented but also has poor periods like most of the spring this season. I have never said that he can't defend but it remains to be seen whether he can step up. He has all the tools....... but then again, so does Micah.

Furthermore, my main concern is about the system we are going to use next season. I have been repeating for a year now that proper playmaker is what we need in my opinion. So far we have not signed one and it makes me slightly worried. I am firmly of opinion that 4-4-2 with two holdinbg midfielders and overlapping fullbacks is bullshit tactics. Especially as we don't have fullbacks who can do the job. Anyway, there are maybe six or seven fullbacks who can do that job in acceptable level and most of them already play in one of the very top clubs and will not join us. We would just end up giving up whole central area in attacking third and desperate, too slow, fullbacks trying to join the attack and leaving their spots in defence wide open hoping that central midfielders, who are the ones that should join attack, covering their positions. Absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.

Who the players we should sign are? There are numerous I'd quite like, like Ozil, Gourcuff etc. We have Marwood and to lesser extent Mancini to figure out these targets. I also have underlying fear that we might be falling to rabbit hole of Director of Football systm. Ie we are signing decent players but the kind that manager can't really use.

But we'll see it better when the season kicks off.


Fair play, mate.

I'm keen on all four, though I think Milner is vastly overpriced at £30 Mil. The most pleasing aspect of this for me is that it is clear that Bobby has recognised our midfield needs attention. Once/if we get Silva, Milner and Toure then it's full back imo.




















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Postby DoomMerchant » Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:44 pm

i like Lahm too and i have fuckall idea who our starting LB Is. Can someone tell me please? Cuz i don't think it's Wayne Bridge if we think we want to win the Premiership.

also, where is our creative midfield starter? i'd like one please.

Also, Yaya Toure seems more like Patrick in his halcyon days at Arsenal than he does like a hardcore defensive midfielder, no?
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Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:15 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:i like Lahm too and i have fuckall idea who our starting LB Is. Can someone tell me please? Cuz i don't think it's Wayne Bridge if we think we want to win the Premiership.

also, where is our creative midfield starter? i'd like one please.

Also, Yaya Toure seems more like Patrick in his halcyon days at Arsenal than he does like a hardcore defensive midfielder, no?


Even if Yaya is like Paddy back in the day, it doesn't change the fact that he is not an out and out playmaker.

Lahm would be absolute disaster in Premier League. Luckily, he isn't going to come either so that discussion is bit pointless.
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Postby CityGer » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:21 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:i like Lahm too and i have fuckall idea who our starting LB Is. Can someone tell me please? Cuz i don't think it's Wayne Bridge if we think we want to win the Premiership.

also, where is our creative midfield starter? i'd like one please.

Also, Yaya Toure seems more like Patrick in his halcyon days at Arsenal than he does like a hardcore defensive midfielder, no?


Even if Yaya is like Paddy back in the day, it doesn't change the fact that he is not an out and out playmaker.

Lahm would be absolute disaster in Premier League. Luckily, he isn't going to come either so that discussion is bit pointless.


The Lahm comment was tongue in cheek. I don't fancy him defensively either.
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Postby Slim » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:21 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:i like Lahm too and i have fuckall idea who our starting LB Is. Can someone tell me please? Cuz i don't think it's Wayne Bridge if we think we want to win the Premiership.

also, where is our creative midfield starter? i'd like one please.

Also, Yaya Toure seems more like Patrick in his halcyon days at Arsenal than he does like a hardcore defensive midfielder, no?


Even if Yaya is like Paddy back in the day, it doesn't change the fact that he is not an out and out playmaker.

Lahm would be absolute disaster in Premier League. Luckily, he isn't going to come either so that discussion is bit pointless.


Really, you don't like Lahm? Really?
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Postby Green & Blue » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:23 pm

The following google translate gibberish is taken from As.com.Quotes from his father claiming a deal has been agreed with Silva and the clubs just need to finalise the deal.

In the absence of Valencia and Manchester City make it official the transfer of David Jimenez Silva , the father of canary player , speaking on the SER Chain Rail to justify the decision of his son. "Valencia , this year , he said transferable and clearly needs the money. So we heard this offer, which is very good for us, and the decision is made. Now , the only thing the two clubs close the transfer , "said Fernando Jimenez, who delved into the obvious economic needs of the club che: "They told us we could talk to clubs and the best example is the City, which is what has made you more interested to take David. "

Silva 's father was honest with the shift in the negotiations: "I know that, as in Valencia is not anywhere, but there are compelling reasons to rule. " He also had words for his son's situation in South Africa: "To me, he must play and ten more . has been a key so far. "
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Postby CityGer » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:26 pm

Green & Blue wrote:The following google translate gibberish is taken from As.com.Quotes from his father claiming a deal has been agreed with Silva and the clubs just need to finalise the deal.

In the absence of Valencia and Manchester City make it official the transfer of David Jimenez Silva , the father of canary player , speaking on the SER Chain Rail to justify the decision of his son. "Valencia , this year , he said transferable and clearly needs the money. So we heard this offer, which is very good for us, and the decision is made. Now , the only thing the two clubs close the transfer , "said Fernando Jimenez, who delved into the obvious economic needs of the club che: "They told us we could talk to clubs and the best example is the City, which is what has made you more interested to take David. "

Silva 's father was honest with the shift in the negotiations: "I know that, as in Valencia is not anywhere, but there are compelling reasons to rule. " He also had words for his son's situation in South Africa: "To me, he must play and ten more . has been a key so far. "


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Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:36 pm

Slim wrote:
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DoomMerchant wrote:i like Lahm too and i have fuckall idea who our starting LB Is. Can someone tell me please? Cuz i don't think it's Wayne Bridge if we think we want to win the Premiership.

also, where is our creative midfield starter? i'd like one please.

Also, Yaya Toure seems more like Patrick in his halcyon days at Arsenal than he does like a hardcore defensive midfielder, no?


Even if Yaya is like Paddy back in the day, it doesn't change the fact that he is not an out and out playmaker.

Lahm would be absolute disaster in Premier League. Luckily, he isn't going to come either so that discussion is bit pointless.


Really, you don't like Lahm? Really?


I think he'd make brilliant right winger if that helps?
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Postby Slim » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:55 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
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DoomMerchant wrote:i like Lahm too and i have fuckall idea who our starting LB Is. Can someone tell me please? Cuz i don't think it's Wayne Bridge if we think we want to win the Premiership.

also, where is our creative midfield starter? i'd like one please.

Also, Yaya Toure seems more like Patrick in his halcyon days at Arsenal than he does like a hardcore defensive midfielder, no?


Even if Yaya is like Paddy back in the day, it doesn't change the fact that he is not an out and out playmaker.

Lahm would be absolute disaster in Premier League. Luckily, he isn't going to come either so that discussion is bit pointless.


Really, you don't like Lahm? Really?


I think he'd make brilliant right winger if that helps?


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Re: ***Transfer Rumours Thread*** [ALL RUMOUR TOPICS MERGED]

Postby DoomMerchant » Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:59 pm

CityGer wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:i like Lahm too and i have fuckall idea who our starting LB Is. Can someone tell me please? Cuz i don't think it's Wayne Bridge if we think we want to win the Premiership.

also, where is our creative midfield starter? i'd like one please.

Also, Yaya Toure seems more like Patrick in his halcyon days at Arsenal than he does like a hardcore defensive midfielder, no?


Even if Yaya is like Paddy back in the day, it doesn't change the fact that he is not an out and out playmaker.

Lahm would be absolute disaster in Premier League. Luckily, he isn't going to come either so that discussion is bit pointless.


The Lahm comment was tongue in cheek. I don't fancy him defensively either.


no one would like him defensively. i don't like Dani Alves defensively either btw.

Is Maicon more the acceptable, yet more uhm "modern" model for you? Enough defensively, but clearly something going forward with a cannon for a leg?

i like Lahm. I do. i'm not going to apologize. I'd love him at my club. I think Angry Andy's point is right tho...he's not going to leave Bayern Munchen tho, and if he did only a few clubs could land him, and prollee not an English one. i get the sense he thinks his game might be hard to replicate in the premiership and could play well in La Liga however. Just a guess.

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