The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

[Kladze]

This thread has actually made me embarrassed to be a city fan :(

We have some utter scum. Some of you are no better than some of the United fans that you rage about who sing hillsborough songs etc

If you disagree with the opinions of others (that they are opinions you can't argue with, because some do hold them and they are no less valid than your own, however much you think you are right) that's fair enough and you have repeated your reasons at least five times over two threads.
However, the way you go about this is still wrong. You can't call people utter scum based on their opinion about one song - it's ludicrous to judge their whole personality based on this. [highlight]Even Jesus, the role model for many people in the world, did things that would immediately have him branded as utter scum in your eyes[/highlight] ..............

Eh?

Have you lost any marbles mate?

[Bluez]

On the MEN website it says the board are in discussion about it now

I reckon they will issue a blanket banning order..would it work though?

If they do, lets hope we don't draw Bayern M***** in Europe next season!

Joking aside, the club you love have asked you to stop.

What's more important, your love for City or your Hate for United?

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_city/s/1418987_manchester-city-to-discuss-response-to-fan-chants

I don't do it so there is nothing for me personally to stop, but to answer your question, my love for City is greater than my hatred of the scum.

Just to be pedantic, nowhere in that link does it mention the club asking people to stop.

You mean except for the part where it says "Chief executive Garry Cook is acutely aware the club have worked tirelessly to eradicate such chanting in recent times and have taken out banning orders against supporters caught on camera making aeroplane gestures"

[roblues]

This thread has actually made me embarrassed to be a city fan :(

We have some utter scum. Some of you are no better than some of the United fans that you rage about who sing hillsborough songs etc

If you disagree with the opinions of others (that they are opinions you can't argue with, because some do hold them and they are no less valid than your own, however much you think you are right) that's fair enough and you have repeated your reasons at least five times over two threads.
However, the way you go about this is still wrong. You can't call people utter scum based on their opinion about one song - it's ludicrous to judge their whole personality based on this. [highlight]Even Jesus, the role model for many people in the world, did things that would immediately have him branded as utter scum in your eyes[/highlight] ..............

Eh?

Have you lost any marbles mate?

Lol, I hope not. My point was that you can't judge someone as scum based on one action alone. He hung out with people who were also considered scum and was therefore labelled scum. It's a side point to the main thread, and possibly part fiction, but it helped make my point...or hopefully has now.

[Alioune DVToure]

This thread has actually made me embarrassed to be a city fan :(

We have some utter scum. Some of you are no better than some of the United fans that you rage about who sing hillsborough songs etc

'just a song' - right. Okay - well therefore anything I could ever possibly say to someone could not be offensive then, cos they're just 'words'. Yeah - nothing people could ever sing could be offensive right! In that case why are you offended by other teams' songs?

Just because you don't feel anything about something it doesn't mean you can mock it. I don't know anything about any of you, but if i heard someone died related to you i wouldn't mock it, or sing songs referencing it - as its fucking harsh really. It's so so selfish to think just because you're not upset its fine. Where's the human compassion? Where's the respect? Is nothing out of bounds now? Shall we sing songs about Hillsborough too next time we play Liverpool, simply cos it'd wind them up? I mean we may as well right? Just words - just a song? Course not....

I know people are saying its not a reference to the actual disaster - but that makes fuck all sense. It is. Every time you say 'munich' you may as well just be saying 'remember that tragedy where loads of innocent people tragically died?' in a context of a song aimed to rile the United fans. How on earth is it not a reference to it? The word is put in there merely to annoy United fans as it carries loads of wait - therefore it is a reference. Utter bullshit pretending it isn't. If it wasn't a dig at the disaster and had no meaning you'd all have no problem changing it to another word - as it is the shit still want to use that word cos they know it gets the best reaction.

Sadly I think we are going to make it to the top. And we're gonna be exposed, and hated, and rightly so. It's getting to the point where it is no longer the majority. You hear thousands upon thousands singing Munich songs at games. It's not the same as United's majority that sing about Hillsborough etc - it isn't - let's be honest. They have a small minority that do - but you rarely hear that on tele (in before someone says that's cos their fans are shite and don't sing loudly - cos that's really besides the point).. Last night was humiliating to be a City fan.

Most people are desensitised by it. That's true, yes. But it doesn't mean its ok. It just doesn't. My mum is desensitised by the word 'cunt' probably, but I wouldn't use it in front of her. Most people aren't offended by racism, and i'm sure most Asian people for example are used to the word 'Paki' - but that doesn't mean its right! Most people are desensitised to pretty much anything these days - doesn't mean those desensitised things are alright though.

All of the country woke up this morning reading about how all the away end of City's fans sang proudly and loudly about us chanting songs referencing Munich. They see us as a bunch of fans who will happily reference a horrific event to simply just wind up United fans. It's retarded. We're becoming an embarrassment.

I don't want to be the new Millwall :/ hated by everyone. Hated by everyone for being heartless bastards.

I've still not read one good reason why these 'munich' references are acceptable. I know all I get in response to this post is something moronic like 'fuck off' or 'fuck the munich scum' or whatever. Or maybe someone will take the piss of my post count (ooo scary) or something highly unoriginal. It's just depressing. I expect these responses.

'it doesn't reference the actual disaster' - bollocks. Irrelevant. It does. Every time its sang its sang with hatred and with a clear aim to piss off United - how? by referencing a tragic disaster they were involved in.

'it happened 30 years before i was born - couldn't give a fuck' - oh ok - that means its ok? let's all sing songs about jews dying then, cos it happened a long time ago therefore its fine :) stupid reasoning. In fact - let's find old people, ask them if they lost anyone at one point, when they say 'yes' - sing songs at them and mock them! Cos i won't matter will it? Cos it happened aaaaages ago and we don't know who they are! :D

'its ingrained into the conscious now and will never go away so what's the point' - ridiculous attitude - so yeah, if something's hard to do then its not worth doing and we should all just happily clap along and be offensive just cos the rest are. Well if that attitude was in place twenty years ago we'd still have terrace riots, and racism at the games. Lovely.

'everyone does it, especially united' - so fucking what. There's right, and there's wrong. This is wrong. We don't copy bad actions by others in our daily lives do we? Just cos 'everyone does it'?! Two wrongs don't make a right. We say 'we are impeccable' - are we fuck. What was the point even staying silent for the minutes silence at Old Trafford if we now sing songs like this? Makes us look like hypocrites. Do you not know when to take a moral highground?

'well no one complained when some of the red shite attacked some city fans' - great. because some scum united fans attacked some city fans then its alright to sing munich songs. Is it bollocks. Let's not pretend too that United fans haven't been attacked. They have. Anyway - these united fans that are attacking people are low lifes. Why should we rise to them? Why? Why should we rile these puerile little shits anymore? Yeah - that's a good idea. Let's get tension to a fucking boiling point and actually make it unbearable and make Manchester a lovely place to be when there's a Derby.

Just because some United fans are dick heads, it doesn't mean that we can fucking sing songs about munich. All of us will have friends that are United fans - admit it. If you don't, cos you refuse to, then you take a game far too seriously. My point is that most United fans are fine - its just football after all. I just don't get how you can slate United fans for being twats, when we constantly sing these songs. Where is the moral highground?

Just think about it. Detach yourselves from your stupid brains, pro-munich chanters, and look at the facts.

[highlight]We. Are. Singing. A. Song. Aimed. At. Annoying. United. Fans. Which. Includes. A. Word. That. References. A. Horrific. Horrible. Tragedy. That. People. Died. In.[/highlight]

People died! We are using that to get a rise of people! What the fuck does that make us?!

Manchester City have some despicable fans. We really do. Low lifes.

It's just a fucking game. FOOTBALL. Bunch of millionaires running around a pitch to entertain us. Get a fucking grip.

Where has our sense of humour gone. I remember when we used to entertain away fans. We still sometimes do, but we're increasingly sounding more and more 'bitter' with this insistence of singing this song. It makes us look small time and angry. Can't we just fucking ignore United and concentrate on City? Can't we make up a song for Dzeko? Or one for David Silva that isn't shit? Or one for De Jong or VK? Sigh.

I feel much better for that edifying lesson in morality. Thanks.

'Scum', 'fuck off' etc. I must say you do seem like a charming fella yourself.

Also, congratulations on the highlighted sentence - the most patronising thing I've ever read.

[twosips]

I feel quite comfortable labelling someone scum if they actually think the answer to the question 'is it okay to use a song that references people dying just to get a rise out of people?' is yes.

[Alioune DVToure]

I feel quite comfortable labelling someone scum if they actually think the answer to the question 'is it okay to use a song that references people dying just to get a rise out of people?' is yes.

But does the Yaya song reference people dying? I'd argue that no, it doesn't.

I'm willing to accept that you disagree if you keep it civil. This is a discussion forum - stop cyber-ranting

[twosips]

It doesn't directly reference it, no - but you don't always have to directly something to imply meaning do you? Anyone knows that.

Every time Munich is said its said fully well knowing that a United fan will be offended. You can't deny that?

[carl_feedthegoat]

8 pages on the word "Munich"...now that is fucking embarrassing.

[saulman]

Q: What's got four legs and goes 'Shhhhhhhhhhhh'?

A: Rod Hulls telly.



I heard that the other day and pissed myself. Thought it was funny as fuck. I didn't realise it made me a bad person for finding it funny, as some people in this thread would have me believe.

With regards to the 'Munich' chants. Who gives a fuck, really? Aren't there more interesting topics to whinge about?

[The Man In Blue]

It's a complete disgrace to the club, ourselves and Manchester itself. Anyone defending it is the same imo. We are impeccable? Are we fuck, we're just as bad as the moronic twats who sing about Hillsborough or Leeds fans being stabbed in Istanbul.

However, free speech is a right and people can and will sing what they want so this thread is pointless.

[Florida Blue]

Well I think the malice in the reference is disgraceful, as KK said, we are so removed from the event that I think it no longer holds much meaning other than to the oldest of people. Anyone who was aware at that time is now well into their late 60s and beyond. I would suspect the lionshare of those singing weren't even within a decade of being born.


Think about this, in the Jewish religion it is considered a dishonor to those that were in concentration camps to have one's body tatooed. So taboo that up until recently they were forbidden to buried in a Jewish cemetary. 60 plus year later it is pretty commonplace for both tatoos and burail in the cemetaries if tatooed.

I would never sing it, but I don't think it matters, and will get even more irrelevant and meaningless over time.

[BlueinBosnia]

Q: What's got four legs and goes 'Shhhhhhhhhhhh'?

A: Rod Hulls telly.

I heard that the other day and pissed myself. Thought it was funny as fuck. I didn't realise it made me a bad person for finding it funny, as some people in this thread would have me believe.

But where did you hear it? From a friend, I'd guess. I say similar jokes occasionally in such circumstances. Were you to tell that joke as a representative of an employer, community group, charity etc., you'd almost be guaranteed to be fired/thrown out/heavily reprimanded. When attending games, we are -to many intents and purposes- representatives of the club.

It's all about the context and the wit. That, for example, is funny and unexpected. City fans substituting 'Munich' for another reference to that lot in Salford is, nowadays, sadly neither.

[The Man In Blue]

Wouldn't "Who put the ball in Stretford's net" be just as good at winding them up and have the added advantages of not making us look like fucking neanderthals?

[BlueinBosnia]

Think about this, in the Jewish religion it is considered a dishonor to those that were in concentration camps to have one's body tatooed. So taboo that up until recently they were forbidden to buried in a Jewish cemetary. 60 plus year later it is pretty commonplace for both tatoos and burail in the cemetaries if tatooed.

I would never sing it, but I don't think it matters, and will get even more irrelevant and meaningless over time.

I thought tattoos weren't Kosher? Or is that just certain colour inks? Facial and neck tattoos are definitely banned.

One of the reasons Jewish cemeteries are more relaxed about burial grounds is also the secularization of society in many countries. This is the same for lots of religions, but Judaism has the extra facet of the more hardline/Orthodox Jews moving to Israel, leaving minimal local protest against relaxed burial rules.

[the_georgian_genius]

If i was on the board, next time it is sung i would not request any tickets for one of the first away games next season, then the bunch of thick idiots who go around the country representing our club by singing songs about a crash that killed not only 23 innocent people back when football was all about supporting both manchester teams but also killed one of the greatest players in our history wouldn't be given that oppourtunity, the silly twats would stop singing it then.

Shame on everyone in this thread who doesn't find using the word disgraceful and an embarrasment on our fantastic club.

[Florida Blue]

Think about this, in the Jewish religion it is considered a dishonor to those that were in concentration camps to have one's body tatooed. So taboo that up until recently they were forbidden to buried in a Jewish cemetary. 60 plus year later it is pretty commonplace for both tatoos and burail in the cemetaries if tatooed.

I would never sing it, but I don't think it matters, and will get even more irrelevant and meaningless over time.

I thought tattoos weren't Kosher? Or is that just certain colour inks? Facial and neck tattoos are definitely banned.

One of the reasons Jewish cemeteries are more relaxed about burial grounds is also the secularization of society in many countries. This is the same for lots of religions, but Judaism has the extra facet of the more hardline/Orthodox Jews moving to Israel, leaving minimal local protest against relaxed burial rules.

Well maybe, there are a lot of women in South Florida that have tatoeed eyebrows, so I think technically that would be a facial tatoo. Your point on secularization is valid, but I also bet if you ask a lot of 18 year olds with tatoos they would have no clue why it is/was taboo.

[BlueinBosnia]

Think about this, in the Jewish religion it is considered a dishonor to those that were in concentration camps to have one's body tatooed. So taboo that up until recently they were forbidden to buried in a Jewish cemetary. 60 plus year later it is pretty commonplace for both tatoos and burail in the cemetaries if tatooed.

I would never sing it, but I don't think it matters, and will get even more irrelevant and meaningless over time.

I thought tattoos weren't Kosher? Or is that just certain colour inks? Facial and neck tattoos are definitely banned.

One of the reasons Jewish cemeteries are more relaxed about burial grounds is also the secularization of society in many countries. This is the same for lots of religions, but Judaism has the extra facet of the more hardline/Orthodox Jews moving to Israel, leaving minimal local protest against relaxed burial rules.

Well maybe, there are a lot of women in South Florida that have tatoeed eyebrows, so I think technically that would be a facial tatoo. Your point on secularization is valid, but I also bet if you ask a lot of 18 year olds with tatoos they would have no clue why it is/was taboo.

Sorry- that rule only applies to men. Women weren't created in the image of an angel.

You are right with the point about 18 year olds- but that's about personal expression of identity, whereas singing 'Munich' songs really isn't.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Think about this, in the Jewish religion it is considered a dishonor to those that were in concentration camps to have one's body tatooed. So taboo that up until recently they were forbidden to buried in a Jewish cemetary. 60 plus year later it is pretty commonplace for both tatoos and burail in the cemetaries if tatooed.

I would never sing it, but I don't think it matters, and will get even more irrelevant and meaningless over time.

I thought tattoos weren't Kosher? Or is that just certain colour inks? Facial and neck tattoos are definitely banned.

One of the reasons Jewish cemeteries are more relaxed about burial grounds is also the secularization of society in many countries. This is the same for lots of religions, but Judaism has the extra facet of the more hardline/Orthodox Jews moving to Israel, leaving minimal local protest against relaxed burial rules.

Well maybe, there are a lot of women in South Florida that have tatoeed eyebrows, so I think technically that would be a facial tatoo. Your point on secularization is valid, but I also bet if you ask a lot of 18 year olds with tatoos they would have no clue why it is/was taboo.

Sorry- that rule only applies to men. Women weren't created in the image of an angel.

You are right with the point about 18 year olds- but that's about personal expression of identity, whereas singing 'Munich' songs really isn't.

In many ways that's exactly what it is. Tribalism and showing who you belong with.

[Wonderwall]

it wasnt a munich song, it was a song about yaya toure scoring the goal in the fa cup semi final. It had the word munich in it to label the gimps in the east end.

People really are getting precious over it, I actually thought it was a great tune. If you dont like it, sing a different word in its place. Job a good'n'

[BlueinBosnia]

I actually thought it was a great tune. If you dont like it, sing a different word in its place. Job a good'n'

Seriously? I thought it was unoriginal in content, tune and offensiveness. Like I said in an earlier post; unwitty, bitter and desperate.

It was probably made up by that fat bald guy who flicked me the whole way through a Brum game at St. Andrews when I was sat with the home fans when I was about 12 or 13, or one of his cohort. I've seen them at most away games I've been to.