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[Socrates]

Rog, Hazard was the target yes, we were outbid on agent's fees by a team willing to also guarantee a first team place to him. We didn't get him as a result. What did you want Marwood to do, kidnap him at gunpoint Sicily style? Club policy is not to overpay the agents, that isn't up for negotiation so we have to accept that Marwood operates within that policy.

[Swales4ever]

Just want You to read into facts, not into Hazard.

if you please, 'course.

otherwise feel free to enjoy the cost of incompetence.

[Socrates]

Just want You to read into facts, not into Hazard.

if you please, 'course.

otherwise feel free to enjoy the cost of incompetence.

How is it incompetence? We lost a major target because we stuck to our policy. For the second year in a row yes. Each time, we lost out to the Champions of Europe. We don't know we faffed about 12 months ago either, maybe the player then had a sniff that Barca were interested and held out for the dream move to the European champions rather than (at the time) the English FA Cup winners? We have no idea whatsoever that there was any incompetence. And was Cook was still at the club then so wouldn't that have been his fault rather than Marwood's? My instinct is to not like Marwood but we have no evidence whatsoever to say he isn't doing his job well.

[Beefymcfc]

Anybody thought that we maybe strategically picking these guys to boost up the price for their 'now' clubs?

With the likes of Chelsea and PSG having to pay top dollar they are now well in the spotlight for FFP and in PSGs case, will be well over budget compared to ourselves. Even if not planned, it was a bit of a win with regard to the Platini rule. Covers our arse a little.

[Ted Hughes]

Just want You to read into facts, not into Hazard.

if you please, 'course.

otherwise feel free to enjoy the cost of incompetence.

How is it incompetence? We lost a major target because we stuck to our policy. For the second year in a row yes. Each time, we lost out to the Champions of Europe. We don't know we faffed about 12 months ago either, maybe the player then had a sniff that Barca were interested and held out for the dream move to the European champions rather than (at the time) the English FA Cup winners? We have no idea whatsoever that there was any incompetence. And was Cook was still at the club then so wouldn't that have been his fault rather than Marwood's? My instinct is to not like Marwood but we have no evidence whatsoever to say he isn't doing his job well.

It also shouldn't be forgotton that both Nasri & Yaya Toure's agents tried exactly the same game as Hazard's & both of those deals were put on hold until either the player sorted it or we were ready to walk away. In those cases, the players wanted to play for us so they sorted it out & signed & Marwood therefore got the exact result the chairman wanted. Hazard preferred to let his agent sell him to Chelsea.

That's life. No point in sulking about it & trying to create scapegoats, it's our policy.

It's also our policy not to spend fortunes on 29 year old players. You can be pretty sure Khaldoon isn't over the moon about the idea of spending £20 odd million plus £250k pw on Van Persie & will want the cheapest deal possible & about 3 strikers sold, if he's to sanction it. Mancini is moaning at Marwood, hoping Khaldoon will let him sign an 8th striker, whilst refusing to let go of the only one we've had a decent offer for (Balotelli). He's therefore chosen Balotelli ahead of RVP & I agree with him.

[Beefymcfc]

Just want You to read into facts, not into Hazard.

if you please, 'course.

otherwise feel free to enjoy the cost of incompetence.

How is it incompetence? We lost a major target because we stuck to our policy. For the second year in a row yes. Each time, we lost out to the Champions of Europe. We don't know we faffed about 12 months ago either, maybe the player then had a sniff that Barca were interested and held out for the dream move to the European champions rather than (at the time) the English FA Cup winners? We have no idea whatsoever that there was any incompetence. And was Cook was still at the club then so wouldn't that have been his fault rather than Marwood's? My instinct is to not like Marwood but we have no evidence whatsoever to say he isn't doing his job well.

It also shouldn't be forgotton that both Nasri & Yaya Toure's agents tried exactly the same game as Hazard's & both of those deals were put on hold until either the player sorted it or we were ready to walk away. In those cases, the players wanted to play for us so they sorted it out & signed & Marwood therefore got the exact result the chairman wanted. Hazard preferred to let his agent sell him to Chelsea.

That's life. No point in sulking about it & trying to create scapegoats, it's our policy.

It's also our policy not to spend fortunes on 29 year old players. You can be pretty sure Khaldoon isn't over the moon about the idea of spending £20 odd million plus £250k pw on Van Persie & will want the cheapest deal possible & about 3 strikers sold, if he's to sanction it. Mancini is moaning at Marwood, hoping Khaldoon will let him sign an 8th striker, whilst refusing to let go of the only one we've had a decent offer for (Balotelli). He's therefore chosen Balotelli ahead of RVP & I agree with him.

And, one thing that has to be noted on the Hazard deal was that we were in for him prior to the CL final. Winning the CL most certainly had an impact on Chelsea's bid, not just in terms of prestige but in monetary terms as well.

[Ted Hughes]

Just want You to read into facts, not into Hazard.

if you please, 'course.

otherwise feel free to enjoy the cost of incompetence.

How is it incompetence? We lost a major target because we stuck to our policy. For the second year in a row yes. Each time, we lost out to the Champions of Europe. We don't know we faffed about 12 months ago either, maybe the player then had a sniff that Barca were interested and held out for the dream move to the European champions rather than (at the time) the English FA Cup winners? We have no idea whatsoever that there was any incompetence. And was Cook was still at the club then so wouldn't that have been his fault rather than Marwood's? My instinct is to not like Marwood but we have no evidence whatsoever to say he isn't doing his job well.

It also shouldn't be forgotton that both Nasri & Yaya Toure's agents tried exactly the same game as Hazard's & both of those deals were put on hold until either the player sorted it or we were ready to walk away. In those cases, the players wanted to play for us so they sorted it out & signed & Marwood therefore got the exact result the chairman wanted. Hazard preferred to let his agent sell him to Chelsea.

That's life. No point in sulking about it & trying to create scapegoats, it's our policy.

It's also our policy not to spend fortunes on 29 year old players. You can be pretty sure Khaldoon isn't over the moon about the idea of spending £20 odd million plus £250k pw on Van Persie & will want the cheapest deal possible & about 3 strikers sold, if he's to sanction it. Mancini is moaning at Marwood, hoping Khaldoon will let him sign an 8th striker, whilst refusing to let go of the only one we've had a decent offer for (Balotelli). He's therefore chosen Balotelli ahead of RVP & I agree with him.

And, one thing that has to be noted on the Hazard deal was that we were in for him prior to the CL final. Winning the CL most certainly had an impact on Chelsea's bid, not just in terms of prestige but in monetary terms as well.

It probably convinced him that it was ok to go there rather than fight with his agent yes.

I still think he's a tit for making that decision though, & that it could spoil his career.

[Beefymcfc]

It probably convinced him that it was ok to go there rather than fight with his agent yes.

I still think he's a tit for making that decision though, & that it could spoil his career.

I don't know mate, Chelsea are amassing a very decent squad for future campaigns. Whether they can bring it all together is another matter and it does seem that RA has now got the [strike]puppet[/strike] front man that he wants in De Matteo. Hazard is part of that now and I'm not sure if his ego will be able to take the beating if things go wrong, that's why I wasn't that keen when we were in for him.

One thing's for sure, it's added quality to the league and may make this season an even better spectacle than last (apart from the ending of course, nothing will ever come close).

[feedthegreek]

watched hazard for belgium v england, although only seen him play once did not impress me. dont think hes that good.

[PeterParker]

A think i despise from all my heart is that all articles regarding what Bob said yesterday, were made in the way that looked like Mancini and Marwood are in a total war.

Bob said this : I don't know why we didn't buy anyone, better ask above, Marwood.

What the biased journalist heard was this : Fuck off media, we don't want to buy anyone because we are to good, fuck Marwood.

So here we have a scenario that Bob has an internal war with Marwood, this is the reason we didn't buy anyone else, while on the other head they fed us all summer articles from Tranny 2, Deformed Hair Implant Man, Old Bleeding Nose and other "experts" like Vidic and illiterate Ferdinand, were their constant motto was "we were lucky, they are better, they will show us that and show us this".


So my point is this, whatever Marwood and Bob have on their mind, they must fucking solved it now, because those biased cunts are wainting now more then ever to bring us down.

[Ted Hughes]

It probably convinced him that it was ok to go there rather than fight with his agent yes.

I still think he's a tit for making that decision though, & that it could spoil his career.

I don't know mate, Chelsea are amassing a very decent squad for future campaigns. Whether they can bring it all together is another matter and it does seem that RA has now got the [strike]puppet[/strike] front man that he wants in De Matteo. Hazard is part of that now and I'm not sure if his ego will be able to take the beating if things go wrong, that's why I wasn't that keen when we were in for him.

One thing's for sure, it's added quality to the league and may make this season an even better spectacle than last (apart from the ending of course, nothing will ever come close).

Imo, Abramovic has gone for it with a group of young players who either sink or swim, & that's it.

He won't be spending loads again next season, I don't think. He may add one or two this season, then that's Chelsea mostly done for years. If it all comes together, then everything is ok but I don't think it will & I think they've fucked it. They could pull off some spectacular results but imo, the defence is dodgy as fuck & will get much much worse. Most of the signings are attackers, who therefore stop Chelsea from parking the bus to protect the defence.

In the midst of this Hazard is going to try & make his mark. He could still come through with flying colours of course, but it's hit & miss. Imo Mancini would have turned him into one of the world's best players within 12 months.

Also, I get the feeling Abramovic has bought AVB's shopping list & handed it to RDM.

[Vantage]

In case Marwood is reading this thread although I am 35 I've still got a season or two left in me, no serious injuries only 10k a week journeyman utility defender/holding mid fielder.

Come and get me Brian.

[ant london]

Ted/John et al

Once more I'm afraid you are at crossed purposes with the main gripe that both myself and DM have with Marwood and this transfer window.

Neither of us I don't think really believes that we should just run full steam ahead and willfully disregard the potential FFP consequences (although I am sceptical as to if/how the teeth of those rules will be imposed in the face of the spending pattern and dubious economics of Chelsea and PSG...I just don't think UEFA have the balls to play a hard line) BUT what does exorcise me is the fucking amateur hour handling of pursuits of players in whom we are genuinely interested.

You can give us all the "you don't really know what Marwood does/doesn't do" lines you want but fact of the matter is that I do corporate transactions for a living and, with the greatest respect, I think I have a pretty good idea what Marwood will be doing/meant to be doing as Khaldoon doesn't have the time/capacity to do it and Mancini doesn't have the authority to do it. And Marwood is simply not performing. Full stop. He patently obviously cannot close for the life of him....when we are being dragged through the papers by Liverpool wanting 20 then 22 then 25 million for Agger and De Rossi for 100m you know full well that we ha ve engaged, we've made our interest clear and then fucked about so they run the flag up the mast and all of a sudden we have the choice of being taken for mugs or walking away from a target we really are interested in. It is shambolic.

I agree we need to trim the squad, I agree that we needed to stop being taken for a ride/raped by agents, clubs and players but fact of the matter is that we need new players...not replacements necessarily but absolutely 100% certainly reinforcements are required.

Mancini I do not think is throwing his toys out of the pram because we didn't land Hazard or that we are going to miss out on RvP but because of the fact that the whole summer has passed and not one single player he asked for (and I think we all know that he will have discussed this before signing his new deal and received "assurances") has arrived in remotely enough time for him to have them integrated and ready.

[Risby]

Mancini is a man who doesn't and can't hide his emotions. He is obviously frustrated like most of us, and we shouldn't play down the effect BM is having on signing players or lack of it in this case. Between us all we can't say for sure whether or not he is screwing it up or he has been given strict instructions on the new and financially viable protocol he is to follow. But surely a figure was agreed when mancini signed his new contract for new signings. I'm sick of reading all this shit about Mancini threatening to quit if we sell certain players or how there is an internal boardroom war between RM and BW.
Sort it out, get the rid of the shit and bring on the players RM wants to strengthen the squad.

[Beefymcfc]

"We have a championship-winning team,".

"We are not starting from the same point as in other pre-seasons.

"We have had to improve in a very dramatic manner. Now we have a nucleus. To improve further we have to harness that nucleus."

[ant london]

"We have a championship-winning team,".

"We are not starting from the same point as in other pre-seasons.

"We have had to improve in a very dramatic manner. Now we have a nucleus. To improve further we have to harness that nucleus."

The teams we beat to win said championship have ALL brought in new players and are very very likely stronger than they were last year.

We were also quite fortunate that Arsenal and Chelsea had disastrous seasons last year so our only real competition was United. That will not be the case this year.

Yes, our team/squad should get better with the experience of longer playing together and the confidence of having won the league

But in relative terms our standing still is effectively moving backwards

It is really not that hard to grasp

[Swales4ever]

Ant,
I am particularly glad to learn that You feature professional experiences at Sales and Purchasing Management, even condidering that Your skill has not been developed into the specified market of football management.
Thus, thanks to Your additional benefit of perfect speaking of the english language - which draw a remarkable line in respect of my relevant limits - I would be particularly obliged if You could expand on which skills and tecniques a senior manager in charge of those tasks is supposed to own. Needless to stress once again, that the sporting director at MCFC is the sporting director of one out the five world leading companies in the the football market: therefore he MUST be presumed to be amongst the very best on his features to earn his salary and benefits.

I reckon such kind lesson from You, Mate, will be able to clear some fog out of several confused minds.
hope you won't mind.

[DoomMerchant]

Ted/John et al

Once more I'm afraid you are at crossed purposes with the main gripe that both myself and DM have with Marwood and this transfer window.

Neither of us I don't think really believes that we should just run full steam ahead and willfully disregard the potential FFP consequences (although I am sceptical as to if/how the teeth of those rules will be imposed in the face of the spending pattern and dubious economics of Chelsea and PSG...I just don't think UEFA have the balls to play a hard line) BUT what does exorcise me is the fucking amateur hour handling of pursuits of players in whom we are genuinely interested.

You can give us all the "you don't really know what Marwood does/doesn't do" lines you want but fact of the matter is that I do corporate transactions for a living and, with the greatest respect, I think I have a pretty good idea what Marwood will be doing/meant to be doing as Khaldoon doesn't have the time/capacity to do it and Mancini doesn't have the authority to do it. And Marwood is simply not performing. Full stop. He patently obviously cannot close for the life of him....when we are being dragged through the papers by Liverpool wanting 20 then 22 then 25 million for Agger and De Rossi for 100m you know full well that we ha ve engaged, we've made our interest clear and then fucked about so they run the flag up the mast and all of a sudden we have the choice of being taken for mugs or walking away from a target we really are interested in. It is shambolic.

I agree we need to trim the squad, I agree that we needed to stop being taken for a ride/raped by agents, clubs and players but fact of the matter is that we need new players...not replacements necessarily but absolutely 100% certainly reinforcements are required.

Mancini I do not think is throwing his toys out of the pram because we didn't land Hazard or that we are going to miss out on RvP but because of the fact that the whole summer has passed and not one single player he asked for (and I think we all know that he will have discussed this before signing his new deal and received "assurances") has arrived in remotely enough time for him to have them integrated and ready.

Thank fuck someone can express some simple, basic concepts like business acumen and competition and negotiation. Those are the things I don't see happening effectively.

Sometimes I think most on this forum only ever have to try and negotiate for sex and we know how those negotiations end up for any of us even when we are at our best. Vegas offers better odds.

And for the record I'm not bothered by not landing hazard or rvp. In fact, I'm quite happy to have neither. we need a dash of spice. Some fresh bread. And our wine glass filled up. And you know what, we forgot to order something green. Bring us something green please, your choice. And we need to save room for dessert. Don't forget dessert.

Cheers

[Swales4ever]

and to make my point even brighter, I do not give a flying c to Mancini's personal success or fail, rather than MCFC's success or fail.

In facts, should this pathetic agony of mismanagement continue till the end of next summer transfer window, I will be here and claim for Mancini's head, because in that case it will be plain that even Bob lacks something to establish a real managerial dinasty, which in turn is the sole and ultimate guarantee for MCFC steady dominance.

Pls Slim, according to your well earned reputation of mr. Reliable, mark my words above.

[Ted Hughes]

Ted/John et al

Once more I'm afraid you are at crossed purposes with the main gripe that both myself and DM have with Marwood and this transfer window.

Neither of us I don't think really believes that we should just run full steam ahead and willfully disregard the potential FFP consequences (although I am sceptical as to if/how the teeth of those rules will be imposed in the face of the spending pattern and dubious economics of Chelsea and PSG...I just don't think UEFA have the balls to play a hard line) BUT what does exorcise me is the fucking amateur hour handling of pursuits of players in whom we are genuinely interested.

You can give us all the "you don't really know what Marwood does/doesn't do" lines you want but fact of the matter is that I do corporate transactions for a living and, with the greatest respect, I think I have a pretty good idea what Marwood will be doing/meant to be doing as Khaldoon doesn't have the time/capacity to do it and Mancini doesn't have the authority to do it. And Marwood is simply not performing. Full stop. He patently obviously cannot close for the life of him....when we are being dragged through the papers by Liverpool wanting 20 then 22 then 25 million for Agger and De Rossi for 100m you know full well that we ha ve engaged, we've made our interest clear and then fucked about so they run the flag up the mast and all of a sudden we have the choice of being taken for mugs or walking away from a target we really are interested in. It is shambolic.

I agree we need to trim the squad, I agree that we needed to stop being taken for a ride/raped by agents, clubs and players but fact of the matter is that we need new players...not replacements necessarily but absolutely 100% certainly reinforcements are required.

Mancini I do not think is throwing his toys out of the pram because we didn't land Hazard or that we are going to miss out on RvP but because of the fact that the whole summer has passed and not one single player he asked for (and I think we all know that he will have discussed this before signing his new deal and received "assurances") has arrived in remotely enough time for him to have them integrated and ready.

Thank fuck someone can express some simple, basic concepts like business acumen and competition and negotiation. Those are the things I don't see happening effectively.

Sometimes I think most on this forum only ever have to try and negotiate for sex and we know how those negotiations end up for any of us even when we are at our best. Vegas offers better odds.

And for the record I'm not bothered by not landing hazard or rvp. In fact, I'm quite happy to have neither. we need a dash of spice. Some fresh bread. And our wine glass filled up. And you know what, we forgot to order something green. Bring us something green please, your choice. And we need to save room for dessert. Don't forget dessert.

Cheers

With respect, once again neither of you are actually saying anything.

'I know what he should do but am guessing he probably hasn't' doesn't actually convince me of anything at all. And if the description of the Agger transfer fee apparently going up in stages mesns Marwood is useless, then Tricky Burgerstain & the guy at Real Madrid & Ferguson & every other fucker who has ever negotiated a deal for any club anywhere is also useless, as every club in the world does exactly the same thing almost every season.

I don't even like Marwood & wouldn't give two shits if he was sacked but this criticism of him is based on nothing whatsoever.

He did exactly the same with Nasri & Yaya Toure, & they signed on our terms. I believe that is the job he has been given.