Rodwell

[john68]

Xavi,
I think Mancio is referring to the constraints on our free spending because of FFP compliance. Couple that with the fact that we have a £146M deficit to rein in. Hope that helps.

I know mate but Marwood doesn't write the cheques so his beef with him is misplaced.

With FFP, if we're going to spend big we need to do it now before it kicks in properly, and buying a 21 year old England international make much more sense than a 29 year old Italian long term.

CORRECT young Xavi Mate but we are wasting our time. When trying to argue with a group who have their fingers in their ears whilst screaming lalalalalalalalala.....no matter how much you present contrary evidence.

They have their new scapegoat, the rope is tied and they smell blood. For them, winning the FA Cup, the League and now Community Shield is not enough. They demand blood.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I'm a little surprised to hear well respected posters making such pathetic points.
Big signing means Mancini did it. Less dramatic signing means that Marwood has made Bob have a player he doesn't want.

[john68]

Mancio,
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!

This whole thing has become far too ridiculous for words. It is beyond stupid, it is scapegoating for scapegoatiing sake. It is "Cups for cock ups"...City and the project are alive and well and ahead of schedule and you lot want to derail it.

History lesson Mate, In 68 we won the league, in 69 we won the FA Cup and Charity Shield, In 70 we won the European Cup Winners Cup and the League Cup.....For no good reason, we then usurped our chairman and brought in Swales.... We fucked up what was working successfully. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY...do you fucking lot want to do the same thing all over again.

What is it with you lot. IT AIN'T BROKEN...WHY DO YOU WANT TO FIX IT?....or more to the point "IT AIN'T BROKEN...WHY THE FUCK DO YOU WANT TO BREAK IT.

FFS...Get fucking real.

[Ted Hughes]

Mancini has been saying for weeks that we were trying to sign some good YOUNG players who can grow into the squad & that he wants to get them in now & teach them for the future.

We have just done EXACTLY what Mancini said we are trying to do & people are moaning about it.

Sack Mancini then; it's his plan.

Before whinging for the sake of it, why doesn't everybody actually read what Mancini says instead of what the stirrers in the press tell you he says ?

I said on here weeks ago that there would be some 'under the radar' signings. If Mancini has his way, there will be more.

Btw, if Marwood is getting stick for not signing Martinez, how shit must the guy at Barca be ? Seeing as Martinez actually wants to sign for them & they still haven't got him ? What the fuck is the guy playing at ? And which wanker is in charge of Real Madrid's transfer dealings ? Modric is desperate to go there & they can't close the deal ? Surely all these people must be sacked ?

who is getting pathetic over the top, Mate. Now is Mancini, that has spent 2 and half season to clean out all the overinflated damaged stuff that had been brought by this Clown before he was in charge, have found some room to win an FAC and a League title in the meanwhile, WHO IS TO BE SACKED??? FFS, get real and stop putting Your EGO ahead of the Club sake!
MANCINI PLANNED TO BUY RODWELL??? MANCINI asked and agreed with Owner and Chaiman, for two consecutive seasons, players Marwood wasn't able or, as I start to consider, didn't even want to sign. This bloke is DUMPING the Manager work with his very limited abilities and, possibly, pursuing his very own idea of primitive football. I have been followed the making of Roberto Mancini's idea of football since he was still playing on the picht and I can assure YOU, as a professional of the Insurance Industry, that neither AJ, nor James Milner and DEFINITELY not Rodwell are Mancini's choice.

Your point is untenable, Mate: this bloke is not a sporting director, nevermind a senior one for the use of a world leading Club.
And I tell You what further: Khaldhhon could have been sidetracked by all the countless responsabilities that he holds on behalf of ADUG, reveled in the surface appearance that everythings were getting right according to the project in the Technical Area, because of Mancini success on the pitch and the good job that this smart looking bloke seemede to undertake by opening new accademies in third world countries. Hence perhaps he have just focused his busy attention on just the Financial Area.
But being Khaldoon the excellent, hyper-qualified professional in which You are not the only one to trust, he won't take very long to realize the metastasis that the job of this untutored, cluless clown his speading in the Club.
Let's just hope it won't be too late and it won't end in tears with City back to square one.

I did promise to stop it, but You are the one who plays the inflamatory game: that is not the Ted Hughes we all admire, rate and respect for his utter football competence and endless love for the Club. And I also think the You are too much of a smart mind to let your ego prevail up to ridicule.

with my deepest, unchanged, respect and appreciation,

cheers

You have a strange habit of assuming that people who disagree with you are not actually being true to themselves.


I have pointed out Mancini's comments. I have shown countless examples to back up what I've been saying, unlike anything you have posted which has no substance to back it up other than in your own mind.

Mancini predicted young players being signed. We have just signed one & may sign more. Why you find that difficult to understand, I don't know, but that isn't my problem. I've tried to talk sense to you & you are not interested in any kind of evidence or rational debate, as you have convinced yourself that what you have in your head is the truth & even if Mancini phoned you up & told you he'd been after Rodwell for weeks, you would just accuse him of lying.

Oh & Mancini mentioned only last week the reasons why HE signed Adam Johnson. But that won't matter to you either, as you will just ignore what he said.

[Chinners]

Mancio ... AJ was Mancini's first signing. So how do you know he was definately not the managers choice? Do you have his office tapped or summit? You are talking bollox fella and that, by and large, is my territory

[Ted Hughes]

Mancio ... AJ was Mancini's first signing. So how do you know he was definately not the managers choice? Do you have his office tapped or summit? You talking bollox fella and that by and large is my territory

He played against us for Boro in Mancini's 1st game & Mancini signed him.

[Chinners]

Mancio ... AJ was Mancini's first signing. So how do you know he was definately not the managers choice? Do you have his office tapped or summit? You talking bollox fella and that by and large is my territory

He played against us for Boro in Mancini's 1st game & Mancini signed him.

Exactly ...

[Scatman]

Mancio ... AJ was Mancini's first signing. So how do you know he was definately not the managers choice? Do you have his office tapped or summit? You talking bollox fella and that by and large is my territory

He played against us for Boro in Mancini's 1st game & Mancini signed him.

Exactly ...

His signing hasn't been a complete success, ergo he was foisted upon Mancini.

[Ted Hughes]

Mancio ... AJ was Mancini's first signing. So how do you know he was definately not the managers choice? Do you have his office tapped or summit? You talking bollox fella and that by and large is my territory

He played against us for Boro in Mancini's 1st game & Mancini signed him.

Exactly ...

His signing hasn't been a complete success, ergo he was foisted upon Mancini.

Let's hope Kolarov has a good season.

[Swales4ever]

Xavi,
I think Mancio is referring to the constraints on our free spending because of FFP compliance. Couple that with the fact that we have a £146M deficit to rein in. Hope that helps.

I know mate but Marwood doesn't write the cheques so his beef with him is misplaced.

With FFP, if we're going to spend big we need to do it now before it kicks in properly, and buying a 21 year old England international make much more sense than a 29 year old Italian long term.

CORRECT young Xavi Mate but we are wasting our time. When trying to argue with a group who have their fingers in their ears whilst screaming lalalalalalalalala.....no matter how much you present contrary evidence.

They have their new scapegoat, the rope is tied and they smell blood. For them, winning the FA Cup, the League and now Community Shield is not enough. They demand blood.

Sir John,
I'd promised myself to leave the reply to You to a more throughful post, later tonight. but as I see that above I can't!

What I ONLY and always wanted is PROFESSIONALISM, as the only path towards the excellence that the Club which You have spent an entire life to love is aiming to.
If You can be arsed to browse back my post just to end of the season, I'd realize or mayby remember that I was always saying to stay put, do not spend a penny and work developing the current squad and few most prominent youngster, rather than just SPEND FOR THE SAKE OF IT OR TO COVER THE INABILITY TO REACH TARGETS ACCORDED TO A LEADING COMPANY.

You are perfectly aware of the reason why I alway revvered Your wise word since I read that point You were trying to put into RH' head. It's because You always speak wise words of patience, stability and only CLAIM FOR PROFESSIONALISM.

You, Jonathan, Ted & alias can try to twist and turn the reality of facts as much as You please, and for whatsoever best sake, but this bloke still remains someone who is pretending to be fit for a PIVOTAL, senior position in a World Leading Company, without:
a) ever been in such position before
b) ever succeded to buy a player at a standard market value, let alone bargains
c) overloaded the Company payroll by signing luduicrous Contracts
d) ever succeded to offload a scrap of said Leading company, AT ANY WHATEVER RIDICOULOUS PRICE. and so on!

I know, it's Khaldoon that is driving his incompetence: Infact as per Ted, Khaldoon is good enough to save, profitably, Barclays from bail out, but it's not good to have the better over Adebayor Agent (or purchase Javi Martinez by a Club full of debt, with no longer the backing of the spanish Banks full of debts)

ALL I WANT IS A SENIOR SPORTING DIRECTOR, FEATURING PREVIOUS SOLID EXPERIENCES AT SAME LEVEL WHO CAN FIT THE BILL. then You will also realize that complying with FFPR is even easier.

[Ted Hughes]

Khaldoon is over here this week talking to Mancini.

If Mancini persuades him to open the purse strings then there's still a fair chance RVP will sign imo.

If not, I recon a couple more youngsters may come in. Possibly both will happen.

I wonder if we're genuinely talking to that Korean lad who played left back ?

[dick dastardley]

good signing for city, young english and a good talent if i remeber rightly last season he was evertons best player when they played here... also it was nailed on the ferguscum had him ready to sign because of the moyes/ AF link.
He is a future England player and he will learn a lot from the players we have at the club.
well done city good signing!!!

[Wonderwall]

good signing for city, young english and a good talent if i remeber rightly last season he was evertons best player when they played here... also it was nailed on the ferguscum had him ready to sign because of the moyes/ AF link.
He is a future England player and he will learn a lot from the players we have at the club.
well done city good signing!!!

Wasnt it rodwell that nullified silva in the game where they came not to lose last season?

[Ted Hughes]

good signing for city, young english and a good talent if i remeber rightly last season he was evertons best player when they played here... also it was nailed on the ferguscum had him ready to sign because of the moyes/ AF link.
He is a future England player and he will learn a lot from the players we have at the club.
well done city good signing!!!

Wasnt it rodwell that nullified silva in the game where they came not to lose last season?

If 'nullified' means 'kicked off the park' then yes, it was.

[Wonderwall]

If 'nullified' means 'kicked off the park' then yes, it was.

Yes it does :-) but i think we all agreed at the time that he didnt let silva go anywhere and did a job on him, we weren't happy but thats everton for you. It was only when moyes changed it that silva was allowed freedom and punished them.

[Blue Blood]

good signing for city, young english and a good talent if i remeber rightly last season he was evertons best player when they played here... also it was nailed on the ferguscum had him ready to sign because of the moyes/ AF link.
He is a future England player and he will learn a lot from the players we have at the club.
well done city good signing!!!

Agree with this.

I get the vibe from Everton fans that at Everton even they felt he didn't have the platform to realise his potential and this was the best move for both parties. I read a few posts on multiple forums saying he was a "rolls royce" in the team when what Everton need and rely on are "transit vans", gritty solid players who can be depended on to get the job done (even if it isn't pretty). In a team like ours, should he remain fit, he will thrive, In Everton's team he never really fit and as such stagnated to a degree.

This said most Evertonians reckon Rodwell is a future England captain in the making and recognise that should he hit the heights that many believe he will, £15 million will be a steal for us and bad business for them. This said it is also recognised that right now it remains a gamble and for Everton £15 million now for a lad who could be a world class player is better than losing Baines, Felliani or Jelavic who currently are the established best players.

All in they see it as a great deal, we see it as potentially a better one. Only time will tell.

I have high hopes though, with lads like Barry, Yaya, Milner, Silva mentoring him, how can he not improve and at barely 21 years old, the world is at his feet. Potentially he could be a top City player for 12 years+... dare I say it... a future legend in the making... exciting times ahead!

[Chinners]

You certainly learn stuff on here. I didn't realise Khaldoon was rich enough to bail out Barclays. I certainly recall the Sheikh making £3.4bn for helping them out thou

[john68]

Mancio,
My apologies for addressing my post solely at you but as my post evolved, so the argument and emotion widened. I find myself being pushed into the corner of defending a bloke I don't particularly like and having to criticise/compare him with Cook, whom I do/did like. If anything, it allows me to look at the facts without being attached. My only concern is City.

The point about Barclays and Ade's agent is totally irrelevant, there are plenty of factors governing deals, the most obvious being the willingness of both parties to actually do business. Ade and his agent obviously don't and nor do they have to until they feel their demands have been met. The same applies to other players we seem unable to shift. They have good contracts and should they refuse to negotiate, there is little Marwood, Khaldoon or God himself can do.

Cooke dealt in a totally different atmosphere. The club needed to rise from nowhere to the top and his remit and chequebook was much freer. We were targeting players from a lower echelon, knowing that we had little chance of competing against the very big clubs for the very big players. We were not encumbered by the FFP,in fact the opposite. The FFP was driving us to speed up investment and so Cook's remit was even freer. We were the big boys in that market with the most cash...Nor was Cook's role complicated by having to offload over priced and overpaid players who no other club 3wanted at the price.

By contrast, Marwood is being instructed to deal in a completely different scenario. FFP means that we spent this year's cash last season to better balance the books. We are now attempting to compete with those elite clubs, all who have operated at the very top for a long time and are established as the elite group. By comparison, we are new boys on the block and not yet established nor accepted. And we are competing with these clubs for those elite and in demand players who can almost choose their destinations and pay packets.

Finally, please don't forget that whilst Cook was at City, this stuff was his job and when he left, City planned to replace him (Spanair) and to the best of my knowledge that plan to replace him is still in place. I don't know what Marwood's true role is, nor if he is any good at this part of it but it never was his job and his role in this may only be temporary until City employ Cook's replacement.

Does all this make Marwood an idiot who is wrecking our club?...and should we sack him...please nominate your replacement. To destroy is the easy bit and if you wish to destroy, you have to take responsibilty to rebuild.

[Dameerto]

If 'nullified' means 'kicked off the park' then yes, it was.

Yes it does :-) but i think we all agreed at the time that he didnt let silva go anywhere and did a job on him, we weren't happy but thats everton for you. It was only when moyes changed it that silva was allowed freedom and punished them.

If I remember correctly Rodwell picked up a yellow so they had to put someone else on Silva.

[ronk]

Players aren't foisted on Mancini. It's not possible for that to happen AND for him to have dictatorial powers to move players out of the squad. He moved on Robinho, Bellamy, RSC, Adebayor and was 100% backed over Tevez.

I was concerned about the lack of signings and Rodwell is the sort of player we could easily have overpaid for. I'd have wanted us to walk away if it was a long bitter public saga.

I like quick and quiet though. Especially with young English players. Credit to the backroom team for doing a good deal. Sooner would have been nice, but it's okay.

Jack appears to understand how he fits into the squad, given his comments and that's nice to see at this point.