Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

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Will Mark Hughes get us in the top 4 going off what you have seen so far?

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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby Grob » Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:39 pm

Mark Hughes doesnt seem to know how he wants us to play and doesnt have a clue what his best team and formation is.

He'd better make some decisions pretty quick or this indecision could be his downfall.

Didnt see the game yesterday, have no desire to. Was described to me as worse than Birmingham and home draws to wallys like Burnley is unacceptable.

Went to Villa Park and watched Dunne yesterday. Was commanding as ever. He should be still playing here.
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby ronk » Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:52 pm

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Socrates wrote:The question as asked can only be answered yes. Of course it's possible. Not very probable but definitely possible...


I disagree. I think it's very probable.

If we win our game in hand then we're top 4 with a quarter of the season gone. Considering that we have a team that hasn't clicked into gear yet and a manager that can only improve (because he can't get any worse can he?) then surely the only way is up.

Yeah, I'm not pushing the panic button yet. ..... and I think we'll see a massive difference when Robinho comes back.


In the real world though buddy we needed to get a clear early lead over at least one of the established top 4 to have any realistic hope of holding on over the closing games. Liverpool are supposedly shit yet will probably be ahead of us very soon. The ten points dropped in the last 5 games could prove to be the most expensive in the club's history.


Or they might be not even worthy of a footnote.

We've had some pretty damaging runs in our times and some back days. A couple of draws that put us in a weaker position for qualifying for the CL but wouldn't have made a difference overall don't really rate.

Just to clarify, what I mean is that if we'd won all those games we'd be in a stronger position but we wouldn't be safe in the CL qualification. Either way it was still going to come down to the rest of the season.
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby Socrates » Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:06 pm

Grob wrote:Mark Hughes doesnt seem to know how he wants us to play and doesnt have a clue what his best team and formation is.

He'd better make some decisions pretty quick or this indecision could be his downfall.

Didnt see the game yesterday, have no desire to. Was described to me as worse than Birmingham and home draws to wallys like Burnley is unacceptable.

Went to Villa Park and watched Dunne yesterday. Was commanding as ever. He should be still playing here.


Defensively it was awful but it wasn't worse than Birmingham. For long spells we looked pretty decent going forward and the fact we scored 3 and could have had more. The onl player that let us down attacking wise was Tevez who just seems to be greedy and stupid in equal quantities.
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby fangsanalsatan » Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:08 pm

So what's the question now?

Can? Yes. Will? No.
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby mcfc1632 » Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:19 pm

Socrates wrote:
saulman wrote:
Socrates wrote:The question as asked can only be answered yes. Of course it's possible. Not very probable but definitely possible...


I disagree. I think it's very probable.

If we win our game in hand then we're top 4 with a quarter of the season gone. Considering that we have a team that hasn't clicked into gear yet and a manager that can only improve (because he can't get any worse can he?) then surely the only way is up.

Yeah, I'm not pushing the panic button yet. ..... and I think we'll see a massive difference when Robinho comes back.


In the real world though buddy we needed to get a clear early lead over at least one of the established top 4 to have any realistic hope of holding on over the closing games. Liverpool are supposedly shit yet will probably be ahead of us very soon. The ten points dropped in the last 5 games could prove to be the most expensive in the club's history.



This early lead stuff is because the old top 4 teams normally grind down the early starters due to their squad strengths - the shoe is clearly on the other foot and I have a high degree of confidence that we will finish ahead of Liverpool - others worry me more
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby Socrates » Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:24 pm

mcfc1632 wrote:
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Socrates wrote:The question as asked can only be answered yes. Of course it's possible. Not very probable but definitely possible...


I disagree. I think it's very probable.

If we win our game in hand then we're top 4 with a quarter of the season gone. Considering that we have a team that hasn't clicked into gear yet and a manager that can only improve (because he can't get any worse can he?) then surely the only way is up.

Yeah, I'm not pushing the panic button yet. ..... and I think we'll see a massive difference when Robinho comes back.


In the real world though buddy we needed to get a clear early lead over at least one of the established top 4 to have any realistic hope of holding on over the closing games. Liverpool are supposedly shit yet will probably be ahead of us very soon. The ten points dropped in the last 5 games could prove to be the most expensive in the club's history.



This early lead stuff is because the old top 4 teams normally grind down the early starters due to their squad strengths - the shoe is clearly on the other foot and I have a high degree of confidence that we will finish ahead of Liverpool - others worry me more


Our squad is deep enough if you look at the price tags but in reality several of the big mone buys look bloody awful and what we already had before that simply wasn't collectively good enough (although some individuals clearly are). Sorry but just don't see this depth, not when it relies on the likes of RSC!
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby Kiss_The_Goat » Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:11 am

Yes and he will this season!!
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby Colin the King » Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:25 am

We must be great to watch from a neutral perspective, we're so unpredictable. I went to Eastlands genuinely expecting us to really click and play Burnley off the park but the lack of tactical organisation again was scary. At times the midfield was nonexistant and there was enough space to drive a bus through us. Ireland, while doing some good things, made a high number of wasteful passes and Barry didn't come anywhere near dictating the game as he should have done. Tevez doesn't seem to have any direction in his play, it's all ferocity and constant running but he usually ends up at a brick wall. Adebayor doesn't look to have the same desire he had at the start. Defensively, Touré is doing well but Lescott has been- let's not sugar coat it- he's been fucking abysmal. I keep thinking that he was bought for £22million and Dunne sold for £6million. Is he £16million's worth of an improvement?

I was pleased that we clawed our way back into the game but it was really the efforts of a select few that got us there- as a unit we looked hopeless. Long ball after long ball. So we're 3-2 up and I'm thinking (a leave things as they are, we've just scored three goals in quick succession or (b bring on de Jong and close the game out. But to bring on Petrov, who for all his good qualities is a lazy shite and then put him on the right, moving SWP to the left, seemed like completely the wrong thing to do. Whether that was the turning point or not is debatable but ultimately we went from being comfortable and looking likely to score another couple, to drawing at home with bloody Burnley.

So, can Hughes take us into the Champions League? I should think so given the investment and backing he's received but five successive draws- three of them very, very winnable games- is not the form of a team that's going to scare the living daylights out of the established sides. What's frustrating is that for every intelligent change, for example against Arsenal when Petrov come on for Ireland and we ran out 4-2 winners, there's an infuriating one. That inconsistency might cost us. Liverpool at Anfield will be a decent measure. So far we've played once away at a top four side and, regardless of the circumstances, lost and having dropped ten points from our last five games a draw is less than ideal. If we can beat Liverpool on the their own patch it would go a long way to making up for the disappointments of recent weeks. The question then is, can Hughes find a suitable, effective system to win us the game?

20 points from 11 games, fifth in the table and only one defeat reads well from a statistical point of view. But when you look closer at the performances in those games that's where peoples' concern comes from. In isolation we've had some excellent results but looking at the games collectively I feel we're missing something and need to find it to have any chance of succeeding. A team that keeps the ball on the ground and plays some football would be a start.
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:32 am

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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby dick dastardley » Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:59 am

we should be taking teams like burnley to the cleaners their whole team was probably priced up at what we paid for lescott, who in my opinion is the weak link in the city defence,
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby Alex Sapphire » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:09 am

bluemoon wrote:I'm interested to see what the general consensus is regarding the managers ability in helping us achieve our goal of finishing in the top 4 this season. Views welcomed as always.



isn't "our goal" to finish in the top 6?
Your question is open ended too. yes Hughes can and will get us into the CL.
This season? probably not, but if he does he/we will have exceeded reasonable expectations.
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby Fish111 » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:28 am

Just as i thought, a very close call on this one. I personally voted 'NO' as the question stated ''on the season so far'' so on what i have witnessed up to now i'm beginning to wonder whether we will even be in the top six come the end of the season.
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby Alex Sapphire » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:47 am

Fish111 wrote:Just as i thought, a very close call on this one. I personally voted 'NO' as the question stated ''on the season so far'' so on what i have witnessed up to now i'm beginning to wonder whether we will even be in the top six come the end of the season.



You're making up your own question there fish. Edit: I didnt vote so didnt see the "what you've seen so far" bit. However I've been watching for a year or two so compared with waht Ive seen so far means more than this season ;-)
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby mcfc1632 » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:49 am

Fish111 wrote:Just as i thought, a very close call on this one. I personally voted 'NO' as the question stated ''on the season so far'' so on what i have witnessed up to now i'm beginning to wonder whether we will even be in the top six come the end of the season.



Well given the timing of the poll and given the weeks of us all being fed up with getting draws and missing major opportunities a professional analysis would show that the underlying trend is a significant yes vote - not making a point - just stating a fact.
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby Robinho_Is_GOD » Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:50 am

saulman wrote:
Socrates wrote:The question as asked can only be answered yes. Of course it's possible. Not very probable but definitely possible...


I disagree. I think it's very probable.

If we win our game in hand then we're top 4 with a quarter of the season gone. Considering that we have a team that hasn't clicked into gear yet and a manager that can only improve (because he can't get any worse can he?) then surely the only way is up.

Yeah, I'm not pushing the panic button yet. ..... and I think we'll see a massive difference when Robinho comes back.


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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby Alex Sapphire » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:00 am

Robinho_Is_GOD wrote:
We should have been beating the likes of Burnley, Wigan, Fulham and Birmingham, but we couldn't.


although last season Wigan and Fulham both beat us and so did Stoke (promoted in 2nd, like Brum from the Championship).
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby Mike J » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:07 am

no he is out of his depth.
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby Wooders » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:14 am

I think we're still on course for a top 4 finish but hughes needs to sort things out if we are - decisions like bringing petrov on when we should be defending a lead are nothing short of idiotic - we also seem to having a problem with many key members of the squad suffering from a dip of form at the same time (Barry, Ireland, Tevez, Lescott), what is the reason for this?
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby sandman » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:06 pm

No, he has acheived absolutely nothing in his previous management career, he has acheived nothing in a year and a half here.

He has spent more money than any other manager could dream of now and is getting by on individual players skill, we are inept in almost every dept tactically, and if wasnt for the class of our players we would be in SERIOUS trouble, there are also no signs opf improvement on pitch which can be seen in the last 5 weeks dropping 10 points out of 15 to teams outside the top 4.

He needs to go now so we can salvage the season, even a mediocre manager would be better than a poor one, however I am hoping that the owners are in the market for a class manager and our form is just something we will have to tolerate until they find the right man rather than another chump!!
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Re: Can Mark Hughes take us into the Champions League?

Postby Original Dub » Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:54 pm

Socrates wrote:
mcfc1632 wrote:
Socrates wrote:
saulman wrote:
Socrates wrote:The question as asked can only be answered yes. Of course it's possible. Not very probable but definitely possible...


I disagree. I think it's very probable.

If we win our game in hand then we're top 4 with a quarter of the season gone. Considering that we have a team that hasn't clicked into gear yet and a manager that can only improve (because he can't get any worse can he?) then surely the only way is up.

Yeah, I'm not pushing the panic button yet. ..... and I think we'll see a massive difference when Robinho comes back.


In the real world though buddy we needed to get a clear early lead over at least one of the established top 4 to have any realistic hope of holding on over the closing games. Liverpool are supposedly shit yet will probably be ahead of us very soon. The ten points dropped in the last 5 games could prove to be the most expensive in the club's history.



This early lead stuff is because the old top 4 teams normally grind down the early starters due to their squad strengths - the shoe is clearly on the other foot and I have a high degree of confidence that we will finish ahead of Liverpool - others worry me more


Our squad is deep enough if you look at the price tags but in reality several of the big mone buys look bloody awful and what we already had before that simply wasn't collectively good enough (although some individuals clearly are). Sorry but just don't see this depth, not when it relies on the likes of RSC!


Why do you keep having a go at RSC? He was shit against Birmingham, surely you don't judge the calibur of a player on one game. He had another start you know... he scored and he was one of the best players on the pitch. Get off his back until its obvious he's a bad signing, there's two fucktards on this site that you can leave that up to mate....

I remember you had similar things to say about Bellamy... you should liver and learn.

On topic - Yes he can and will.

Sort the defence. Big mistake not keeping Dunne as back up because if we did, Lescott could sit this out and Dunne and Toure could have kept the clean sheet buzz we had going before he was fucked out.
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