N'Gog's Dive..

[Original Dub]

Never got the ball, not a penalty either.

Personally the player should not be crucified, the ref should be. We need a better breed and the only way they'll learn it to drop them to the championship and promote refs from there based on performance.

He certainly did touch the ball, I've watched it slowed down to a crawl and his foot slides off the edge of the ball quite clearly. That means contact to me.

[ant london]

Interesting little article this....good idea I think.



Immediately after Peter Walton whistled for a penalty when David Ngog hit the Anfield turf he would have had doubts about the accuracy of his decision.

In that situation, wouldn’t it be great if the referee could turn to the ‘fouled’ player and ask him: ‘Did you dive?’

In Germany they tried an experiment with deliberate handball with surprising success.

When the referee suspected that a hand had been used in the scoring of a goal he would ask the player.

If the player admitted that he had handled, a free kick was given and no disciplinary action followed.

If he denied it was handball the goal stood, but if the video replay proved he had lied, a three-match ban followed.

Players dive because the reward of a penalty when successful far outweighs a yellow card if caught.

Introducing the German example in england for simulation could be successful if a player feared retrospective punishment. Why not go for a five-match ban?

[Slim]

No he doesn't, the movement of carsley's foot is from his heel hitting the ground, not the ball.

The ball makes zero deviation, even the rotation is the same, any contact would change that.

[Original Dub]

No he doesn't, the movement of carsley's foot is from his heel hitting the ground, not the ball.

The ball makes zero deviation, even the rotation is the same, any contact would change that.

No, I'm not having it.

Fuck you.

[mr_nool]

I think it's a penalty and a dive, and thought it was quite a good solution to offer a penalty for Liverpool as well as a yellow for N'Gog.
If he hadn't jumped/dived, he would've gotten his legs chopped off by the defenders stretched leg. No matter if he touched the ball or not, tackling with a stretched leg is not allowed.

[Slim]

I think it's a penalty and a dive, and thought it was quite a good solution to offer a penalty for Liverpool as well as a yellow for N'Gog.
If he hadn't jumped/dived, he would've gotten his legs chopped off by the defenders stretched leg. No matter if he touched the ball or not, tackling with a stretched leg is not allowed.

Umm, what?

[john68]

a dive and no contact, but look at the aternative...

the defender has thrown himself across the line of his run. In order to continue his run on goal he has to hurdle the oustretched leg, and maintain his balance as well as his control of the ball. Chances are that wouldn't be possible, so contact or not, Carsley has obstructed his run and prevented the goal while making no contact with the ball.
if it's not a foul it should be.

If you look at the movement of Ngog, he hurdles over the tackler and keep his balance. Only as he starts to descent from the jump, does he lift his foot in order to deliberately fall. he deliberatelt made an effort to be off balance. I think he is a cheat.

[mr_nool]

I think it's a penalty and a dive, and thought it was quite a good solution to offer a penalty for Liverpool as well as a yellow for N'Gog.
If he hadn't jumped/dived, he would've gotten his legs chopped off by the defenders stretched leg. No matter if he touched the ball or not, tackling with a stretched leg is not allowed.

Umm, what?

What part don't you understand, slim? Sliding into someone sole up, and with a stretched leg is an offense.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

He could just have easily jumped over him without the theatrical swan dive, therefore he's a cheating cunt.

[TrueBlue82]

I think it's a penalty and a dive, and thought it was quite a good solution to offer a penalty for Liverpool as well as a yellow for N'Gog.
If he hadn't jumped/dived, he would've gotten his legs chopped off by the defenders stretched leg. No matter if he touched the ball or not, tackling with a stretched leg is not allowed.

so how else are you supposed to tackle? with your leg bent?

my view is it is a dive, no contact with the player or ball so should have just played on then booked Ngog imo.

[Slim]

I think it's a penalty and a dive, and thought it was quite a good solution to offer a penalty for Liverpool as well as a yellow for N'Gog.
If he hadn't jumped/dived, he would've gotten his legs chopped off by the defenders stretched leg. No matter if he touched the ball or not, tackling with a stretched leg is not allowed.

so how else are you supposed to tackle? with your leg bent?

my view is it is a dive, no contact with the player or ball so should have just played on then booked Ngog imo.

Honestly, I read it a couple of times and even replied, but I was hoping it was Nool speaking some dead language and got the words wrong.

[Rag_hater]

I can't see the problem with diving.
It's been going on for years and we have Micah who dives like he is in an olympic competition.
If a player gets away with it I think he should be congratulated.

[Original Dub]

I can't see the problem with diving.
It's been going on for years and we have Micah who dives like he is in an olympic competition.
If a player gets away with it I think he should be congratulated.

Yeah, there's nothing like top quality cheating.

[Rag_hater]

I can't see the problem with diving.
It's been going on for years and we have Micah who dives like he is in an olympic competition.
If a player gets away with it I think he should be congratulated.

Yeah, there's nothing like top quality cheating.

Doepends on what you see as cheating.It undoubtedly goes on in the game so the better a player gets at it the more strings to his bow I see his game having.
Well done N'Gog got his team a point.

[Original Dub]

I can't see the problem with diving.
It's been going on for years and we have Micah who dives like he is in an olympic competition.
If a player gets away with it I think he should be congratulated.

Yeah, there's nothing like top quality cheating.

Doepends on what you see as cheating.It undoubtedly goes on in the game so the better a player gets at it the more strings to his bow I see his game having.
Well done N'Gog got his team a point.

No, its not open to interpretation. Diving is cheating.

End of story, stop being so silly.

[Rag_hater]

Diving isn't very sportsman like behaviour and may be considered a form of cheating(but a player might have reasons for doing it such as lets say to avoid injury).
However I think looking at the incident of cheating one has to accept it is a part of the game.
A part of the game it would be better without but nontheless it is a part of the game and one that cannot be got rid off.
Because of that,I can live with it and in certain cases accept that it is the only option.

[Wonderwall]

Diving isn't very sportsman like behaviour and may be considered a form of cheating(but a player might have reasons for doing it such as lets say to avoid injury).
However I think looking at the incident of cheating one has to accept it is a part of the game.
A part of the game it would be better without but nontheless it is a part of the game and one that cannot be got rid off.
Because of that,I can live with it and in certain cases accept that it is the only option.

I agree with that mate, apart from the "Cannot get rid of" bit. I think disciplinary measures can be introduced which will act as a deterrent especially if if people are found guilty and the measures are followed. If a case is brought before a panel and is judged to be found cheating, e.g. diving like N'Gog then he serves a 5 game Ban and the club is deducted the points they were awarded from the match and the opposing team is given them. I see this as a deterrent as the club would not abide by anyone cheating if this was the case.

On the flip side, I would have to think on how to police a tournament cheat like Maradonna.... maybe a firing squad ;-)

[Rag_hater]

Diving isn't very sportsman like behaviour and may be considered a form of cheating(but a player might have reasons for doing it such as lets say to avoid injury).
However I think looking at the incident of cheating one has to accept it is a part of the game.
A part of the game it would be better without but nontheless it is a part of the game and one that cannot be got rid off.
Because of that,I can live with it and in certain cases accept that it is the only option.

I agree with that mate, apart from the "Cannot get rid of" bit. I think disciplinary measures can be introduced which will act as a deterrent especially if if people are found guilty and the measures are followed. If a case is brought before a panel and is judged to be found cheating, e.g. diving like N'Gog then he serves a 5 game Ban and the club is deducted the points they were awarded from the match and the opposing team is given them. I see this as a deterrent as the club would not abide by anyone cheating if this was the case.

On the flip side, I would have to think on how to police a tournament cheat like Maradonna.... maybe a firing squad ;-)

Gosh wouldn't like to get on the wrong side of you.
Maybe being that harsh is the answer but would the FA or FIFA have the balls to implement such measures.I dont think they would.

[Wonderwall]

Diving isn't very sportsman like behaviour and may be considered a form of cheating(but a player might have reasons for doing it such as lets say to avoid injury).
However I think looking at the incident of cheating one has to accept it is a part of the game.
A part of the game it would be better without but nontheless it is a part of the game and one that cannot be got rid off.
Because of that,I can live with it and in certain cases accept that it is the only option.

I agree with that mate, apart from the "Cannot get rid of" bit. I think disciplinary measures can be introduced which will act as a deterrent especially if if people are found guilty and the measures are followed. If a case is brought before a panel and is judged to be found cheating, e.g. diving like N'Gog then he serves a 5 game Ban and the club is deducted the points they were awarded from the match and the opposing team is given them. I see this as a deterrent as the club would not abide by anyone cheating if this was the case.

On the flip side, I would have to think on how to police a tournament cheat like Maradonna.... maybe a firing squad ;-)

Gosh wouldn't like to get on the wrong side of you.
Maybe being that harsh is the answer but would the FA or FIFA have the balls to implement such measures.I dont think they would.

Initially the FA could impose them in this country for a trial period. It would need something like this to prove they work as Fifa and Uefa have many member countries that see diving and cheating as an art and coach this into their game. I would love to stamp it out and think its possible but just as you have suggested it is not probable.

[Rag_hater]

Diving isn't very sportsman like behaviour and may be considered a form of cheating(but a player might have reasons for doing it such as lets say to avoid injury).
However I think looking at the incident of cheating one has to accept it is a part of the game.
A part of the game it would be better without but nontheless it is a part of the game and one that cannot be got rid off.
Because of that,I can live with it and in certain cases accept that it is the only option.

I agree with that mate, apart from the "Cannot get rid of" bit. I think disciplinary measures can be introduced which will act as a deterrent especially if if people are found guilty and the measures are followed. If a case is brought before a panel and is judged to be found cheating, e.g. diving like N'Gog then he serves a 5 game Ban and the club is deducted the points they were awarded from the match and the opposing team is given them. I see this as a deterrent as the club would not abide by anyone cheating if this was the case.

On the flip side, I would have to think on how to police a tournament cheat like Maradonna.... maybe a firing squad ;-)

Gosh wouldn't like to get on the wrong side of you.
Maybe being that harsh is the answer but would the FA or FIFA have the balls to implement such measures.I dont think they would.

Initially the FA could impose them in this country for a trial period. It would need something like this to prove they work as Fifa and Uefa have many member countries that see diving and cheating as an art and coach this into their game. I would love to stamp it out and think its possible but just as you have suggested it is not probable.

Thats another brushI think the Europeans are unfairly tarred with.
I think there is more diving going on in the Prem than Europe.
The Europeans maybe better at it but it is not as rife as people seem to think.
In fact Jose commented on it a few months back how he saw much more diving in the Prem compared to other Euro leagues