Fitness

[MaineRoadMemories]

They use Pro Zone I believe who must give them benchmark stats against other clubs.
http://www.prozonesports.com/about-us-strengths.html

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

They use Pro Zone I believe who must give them benchmark stats against other clubs.
http://www.prozonesports.com/about-us-strengths.html

It could actually be ProZone. Still, we weren't transferring it to pitch, weren't able to make late runs for winning goals and conceded goals late in the game. Whether according to Prozone we had best Peeb test results don't mean shit in that.

I do agree about "mental fitness" you mentioned earlier by the way. I just feel mental and physical fitness go hand in hand.

[Ted Hughes]

They use Pro Zone I believe who must give them benchmark stats against other clubs.
http://www.prozonesports.com/about-us-strengths.html

It could actually be ProZone. Still, we weren't transferring it to pitch, weren't able to make late runs for winning goals and conceded goals late in the game. Whether according to Prozone we had best Peeb test results don't mean shit in that.

I do agree about "mental fitness" you mentioned earlier by the way. I just feel mental and physical fitness go hand in hand.

In the last few games some of the substitutes have failed to increase the overall fitness level & sharpen us up when we needed them. We were goosed v the rags but Ireland & SWP did very little to help & ended up with Scholes unmarked, then we pretty much disintergrated when Barry went off & Vieira came on last night. It really was like playing with 10 men & we were never in the game from then on.

There's no question that people like Crouch & Bale were fitter than our players though & still running full tilt for 90 mins. Is that because they've been rested more though?

[Nickyboy]

Manchester City stars want to go back to Mark Hughes style
By Rob Draper Last updated at 11:36 PM on 2nd May 2010
The ongoing dispute between Roberto Mancini and a core of Manchester City players over the Italian's unpopular training regime is due to his failure to embrace the programme introduced by Mark Hughes.

That is the view of the club's fitness coach Raymond Verheijen, who has been sidelined by Mancini.

Verheijen, who was Guus Hiddink's fitness guru for his campaigns with South Korea, Australia and Russia, was brought in by Hughes last summer to revolutionise City's training.

They embraced shorter, sharper sessions - which Mancini has since abandoned and reverted to longer sessions - often twice a day.

'I have to admit the players were really sceptical about my methods,' said Verheijen in a Dutch newspaper interview.

'Craig Bellamy came to see me and said, "What you want will not work". I said to Craig "Let's try this for six weeks".

Bellamy was a special case as he has been suffering from far too many injuries in his career.

By September they had by far the best statistics for fitness in the entire Premier League and then in October, November, December as well.

And Bellamy? He felt better than ever. It was the first time in his career he did not have a single injury in pre-season.
'But in December the club decided to sack Mark Hughes. They should never have done that. I still find it impossible to understand that he was not allowed to carry on with the job he started.

'Mancini brought his entire staff with him and he did not believe in training once a day or in the shorter sessions. A big part of the coaching staff was suddenly not wanted any more. I am still tied to the club, but I concentrate more on other projects now.'


If this story from the Mail is correct (and it has quotes but it could be just a bitter member of staff) then up until December we were the fittest team in the league. MAybe it takes longer to get used to Mancinis methods than 4 months, or maybe the new methods are just wrong.

Oh yeah, how do they measure that? I'd love to hear that. Because I remember us conceding late goals and drawing games we should've been winning. But hey, if the fitness coach of the same era says we were fittest team on the league, then it must be so.

we also came back from behind a lot in games

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Some of our best performances have been after we went behind.

Yes it's Prozone City use

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Manchester City stars want to go back to Mark Hughes style
By Rob Draper Last updated at 11:36 PM on 2nd May 2010
The ongoing dispute between Roberto Mancini and a core of Manchester City players over the Italian's unpopular training regime is due to his failure to embrace the programme introduced by Mark Hughes.

That is the view of the club's fitness coach Raymond Verheijen, who has been sidelined by Mancini.

Verheijen, who was Guus Hiddink's fitness guru for his campaigns with South Korea, Australia and Russia, was brought in by Hughes last summer to revolutionise City's training.

They embraced shorter, sharper sessions - which Mancini has since abandoned and reverted to longer sessions - often twice a day.

'I have to admit the players were really sceptical about my methods,' said Verheijen in a Dutch newspaper interview.

'Craig Bellamy came to see me and said, "What you want will not work". I said to Craig "Let's try this for six weeks".

Bellamy was a special case as he has been suffering from far too many injuries in his career.

By September they had by far the best statistics for fitness in the entire Premier League and then in October, November, December as well.

And Bellamy? He felt better than ever. It was the first time in his career he did not have a single injury in pre-season.
'But in December the club decided to sack Mark Hughes. They should never have done that. I still find it impossible to understand that he was not allowed to carry on with the job he started.

'Mancini brought his entire staff with him and he did not believe in training once a day or in the shorter sessions. A big part of the coaching staff was suddenly not wanted any more. I am still tied to the club, but I concentrate more on other projects now.'


If this story from the Mail is correct (and it has quotes but it could be just a bitter member of staff) then up until December we were the fittest team in the league. MAybe it takes longer to get used to Mancinis methods than 4 months, or maybe the new methods are just wrong.

Oh yeah, how do they measure that? I'd love to hear that. Because I remember us conceding late goals and drawing games we should've been winning. But hey, if the fitness coach of the same era says we were fittest team on the league, then it must be so.

we also came back from behind a lot in games

Really? Arsenal home and Fulham in League Cup were the only games where I can remember us doing anything of note deep in the game. Giving away cheap goal and then equalising in 50 minute mark isn't really great show of fitness.

[dazby]

Those pics of me running on the pitch were for Pro Zone. City's client.

[Ted Hughes]

Some of our best performances have been after we went behind.

Yes it's Prozone City use

Very true. We may have conceded late goals earlier in the season but it was more to do with stupid individual mistakes than fitness imo. We also had some storming finishes ourselves.

A lot of it involved Bellamy & Tevez though & I think we're far too dependant on them & have worn them out. It's a credit to them how much running they still do because they look like they're really straining.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Some of our best performances have been after we went behind.

Yes it's Prozone City use

Very true. We may have conceded late goals earlier in the season but it was more to do with stupid individual mistakes than fitness imo. We also had some storming finishes ourselves.

A lot of it involved Bellamy & Tevez though & I think we're far too dependant on them & have worn them out. It's a credit to them how much running they still do because they look like they're really straining.

I repeat my earlier question, when? Arsenal home, definitely. Fulham in Carling Cup was shaky but we came through it. That was it.

Some people create myths about our early season that simply aren't true. Hopefully people will study this season's season video carefully.

[Original Dub]

Some of our best performances have been after we went behind.

Yes it's Prozone City use

Very true. We may have conceded late goals earlier in the season but it was more to do with stupid individual mistakes than fitness imo. We also had some storming finishes ourselves.

A lot of it involved Bellamy & Tevez though & I think we're far too dependant on them & have worn them out. It's a credit to them how much running they still do because they look like they're really straining.

I repeat my earlier question, when? Arsenal home, definitely. Fulham in Carling Cup was shaky but we came through it. That was it.

Some people create myths about our early season that simply aren't true. Hopefully people will study this season's season video carefully.

There was plenty of times we got stronger as the game wore on. Plenty.

The team didn't know each other half as well as they do now and there were more individual mistakes then, but this thread is about fitness and I believe we look less fit than we did before.

[Ted Hughes]

Some of our best performances have been after we went behind.

Yes it's Prozone City use

Very true. We may have conceded late goals earlier in the season but it was more to do with stupid individual mistakes than fitness imo. We also had some storming finishes ourselves.

A lot of it involved Bellamy & Tevez though & I think we're far too dependant on them & have worn them out. It's a credit to them how much running they still do because they look like they're really straining.

I repeat my earlier question, when? Arsenal home, definitely. Fulham in Carling Cup was shaky but we came through it. That was it.

Some people create myths about our early season that simply aren't true. Hopefully people will study this season's season video carefully.

I don't want to go on about it as it leaves us open to start arguing about what constitutes a storming finish, whether we won or drew, whether we were still attacking after we scored, what minute the goal has to be scored in blah blah blah etc etc etc.

I saw a lot of good comebacks inc rags etc. That was how the season was for me at that point. I always believed we'd get back in a game when we went behind. You see it differently & perhaps see the last 10 mins v rags & Spurs recently, as being similar to the last 10 at OT early season. I don't, not at all.

[FA cup winners 2006]

I think our basic fitness level has been pretty shite for most of the season. We have conceded so many goals late in the game. Again last night we failed to push on for it late in the game and players looked exhaisted.

I hope Mancini and his fitness crew have some top preseason regimes. His Inter side was superfit and consistently won matches late and very late in the game.

We were a very fit team at the start of the season. When you mention conceeding late goals and not pushing on, that is more down to individual mistakes or trying to protect a lead.

when mancini came in, he spent weeks just working on shape, doing no fitness or attacking work at all, we have paid the price for this now, i was mixing johnson up with barry because he was running so slow 10 mins before he was taking off.

Our lack of fitness is down to mancini only.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I think our basic fitness level has been pretty shite for most of the season. We have conceded so many goals late in the game. Again last night we failed to push on for it late in the game and players looked exhaisted.

I hope Mancini and his fitness crew have some top preseason regimes. His Inter side was superfit and consistently won matches late and very late in the game.

We were a very fit team at the start of the season. When you mention conceeding late goals and not pushing on, that is more down to individual mistakes or trying to protect a lead.

when mancini came in, he spent weeks just working on shape, doing no fitness or attacking work at all, we have paid the price for this now, i was mixing johnson up with barry because he was running so slow 10 mins before he was taking off.

Our lack of fitness is down to mancini only.

Haha

Whatever.

[Ted Hughes]

I think our basic fitness level has been pretty shite for most of the season. We have conceded so many goals late in the game. Again last night we failed to push on for it late in the game and players looked exhaisted.

I hope Mancini and his fitness crew have some top preseason regimes. His Inter side was superfit and consistently won matches late and very late in the game.

We were a very fit team at the start of the season. When you mention conceeding late goals and not pushing on, that is more down to individual mistakes or trying to protect a lead.

when mancini came in, he spent weeks just working on shape, doing no fitness or attacking work at all, we have paid the price for this now, i was mixing johnson up with barry because he was running so slow 10 mins before he was taking off.

Our lack of fitness is down to mancini only.

Johnson's fitness is down to Boro, not us. We'll find out what levels he can attain for us after pre season.

[Bluez]

I think our basic fitness level has been pretty shite for most of the season. We have conceded so many goals late in the game. Again last night we failed to push on for it late in the game and players looked exhaisted.

I hope Mancini and his fitness crew have some top preseason regimes. His Inter side was superfit and consistently won matches late and very late in the game.

We were a very fit team at the start of the season. When you mention conceeding late goals and not pushing on, that is more down to individual mistakes or trying to protect a lead.

when mancini came in, he spent weeks just working on shape, doing no fitness or attacking work at all, we have paid the price for this now, i was mixing johnson up with barry because he was running so slow 10 mins before he was taking off.

Our lack of fitness is down to mancini only.

Haha

Whatever.

So you believe the city fitness coach is lying?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I think our basic fitness level has been pretty shite for most of the season. We have conceded so many goals late in the game. Again last night we failed to push on for it late in the game and players looked exhaisted.

I hope Mancini and his fitness crew have some top preseason regimes. His Inter side was superfit and consistently won matches late and very late in the game.

We were a very fit team at the start of the season. When you mention conceeding late goals and not pushing on, that is more down to individual mistakes or trying to protect a lead.

when mancini came in, he spent weeks just working on shape, doing no fitness or attacking work at all, we have paid the price for this now, i was mixing johnson up with barry because he was running so slow 10 mins before he was taking off.

Our lack of fitness is down to mancini only.

Haha

Whatever.

So you believe the city fitness coach is lying?

Former fitness coach. And like I said, bleep test results don't mean shit when chips are down. It's different sort of fitness you are looking for then.

What's your point gain though? Is this your first "Mancini out" post? When will you have balls to say what you have been hinting since his appointment?

[Bluez]

I think our basic fitness level has been pretty shite for most of the season. We have conceded so many goals late in the game. Again last night we failed to push on for it late in the game and players looked exhaisted.

I hope Mancini and his fitness crew have some top preseason regimes. His Inter side was superfit and consistently won matches late and very late in the game.

We were a very fit team at the start of the season. When you mention conceeding late goals and not pushing on, that is more down to individual mistakes or trying to protect a lead.

when mancini came in, he spent weeks just working on shape, doing no fitness or attacking work at all, we have paid the price for this now, i was mixing johnson up with barry because he was running so slow 10 mins before he was taking off.

Our lack of fitness is down to mancini only.

Haha

Whatever.

So you believe the city fitness coach is lying?

Former fitness coach. And like I said, bleep test results don't mean shit when chips are down. It's different sort of fitness you are looking for then.

What's your point gain though? Is this your first "Mancini out" post? When will you have balls to say what you have been hinting since his appointment?

My point is that in the fitness thread you started one of the memebrs of the City staff thinks its Mancinis methods which have lead to a loss in fitness.

Firstly the fitness guy is still at the club, secondly I have always said I am unsure about mancini but he should be given time to prove himself, so stop putting words in my mouth. The owners oringinally asked him for 4th and he has failed, this is a fact so it would not be unfair if the owners did fire him and so far I have not seen enough positives to lose any sleep if he was to go. But as I have always said I would give him time.

Your problem is anytime anyone says anything negative about your golden boy you percieve it as some kind of "Hughes in" campaign which is purely down to your irrational hate for the guy. We have failed to score against decent teams- this is not a snidy comment it is fact, a fitness coach employed at City says we are less fit now then before- you choose to believe he is lying in some way. We did play over defensively in some games we could have got more out of such as Arsenal away.
If you want to believe I have some kind of hidden agena fine with me, you go and enjoy your paranoid delusions, all I have ever said is I still remain to be convinced.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Haha

Whatever.

So you believe the city fitness coach is lying?

Former fitness coach. And like I said, bleep test results don't mean shit when chips are down. It's different sort of fitness you are looking for then.

What's your point gain though? Is this your first "Mancini out" post? When will you have balls to say what you have been hinting since his appointment?

Firstly the fitness guy is still at the club, secondly I have always said I am unsure about mancini but he should be given time to prove himself, so stop putting words in my mouth. The owners oringinally asked him for 4th and he has failed, this is a fact so it would not be unfair if the owners did fire him and so far I have not seen enough positives to lose any sleep if he was to go. But as I have always said I would give him time.

Your problem is anytime anyone says anything negative about your golden boy you percieve it as some kind of "Hughes in" campaign which is purely down to your irrational hate for the guy. We have failed to score against decent teams- this is not a snidy comment it is fact, a fitness coach employed at City says we are less fit now then before- you choose to believe he is lying in some way. We did play over defensively in some games we could have got more out of such as Arsenal away.
If you want to believe I have some kind of hidden agena fine with me, you go and enjoy your paranoid delusions, all I have ever said is I still remain to be convinced.

You don't see any irony there? And weren't you hinting last night few seconds after final whistle that I made "Mancini out" post when I said Santa Cruz was shite? I think you did.

Little rich coming from you.

[Bluez]

Firstly the fitness guy is still at the club, secondly I have always said I am unsure about mancini but he should be given time to prove himself, so stop putting words in my mouth. The owners oringinally asked him for 4th and he has failed, this is a fact so it would not be unfair if the owners did fire him and so far I have not seen enough positives to lose any sleep if he was to go. But as I have always said I would give him time.

Your problem is anytime anyone says anything negative about your golden boy you percieve it as some kind of "Hughes in" campaign which is purely down to your irrational hate for the guy. We have failed to score against decent teams- this is not a snidy comment it is fact, a fitness coach employed at City says we are less fit now then before- you choose to believe he is lying in some way. We did play over defensively in some games we could have got more out of such as Arsenal away.
If you want to believe I have some kind of hidden agena fine with me, you go and enjoy your paranoid delusions, all I have ever said is I still remain to be convinced.

You don't see any irony there? And weren't you hinting last night few seconds after final whistle that I made "Mancini out" post when I said Santa Cruz was shite? I think you did.

Little rich coming from you.

Firstly you did say anyone who thought RSC should wear the city shirt can fuck off, Manchini thought so. I was only asking if your fuck off comment extended to Mancini as well.
Secondly feel free to completely ignore the points made in the answer.

[mcfc1632]

By September they had by far the best statistics for fitness in the entire Premier League and then in October, November, December as well.

And Bellamy? He felt better than ever. It was the first time in his career he did not have a single injury in pre-season.
'But in December the club decided to sack Mark Hughes. They should never have done that. I still find it impossible to understand that he was not allowed to carry on with the job he started.

'Mancini brought his entire staff with him and he did not believe in training once a day or in the shorter sessions. A big part of the coaching staff was suddenly not wanted any more. I am still tied to the club, but I concentrate more on other projects now.'


Lets not have another thread go the same way due to Hughes obsessions - he is history

But there must logically be something in what this guy says - it is not in his interests to lie - he is still being paid by the club - why would he put that at risk

He does not sound bitter but he is clear that our players achieved - "....by far the best statistics for fitness in the entire Premier League and then in October, November, December as well. " Not seen this disputed by any credible sources - fans on here are not qualified to refute the comment and it sounds highly factual

There must be something to learn