IanBishopsHaircut wrote:petrov wrote:I don't feel im being over the top but...
That statement means you're being over the top...it's like when racists say...i'm not being racist but...
petrov wrote:DoomMerchant wrote:petrov wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Now, I'm not biggest De Jong fan out there as he offers absolutely nothing going forward and lacks passing ability. However, he is a profile player. His duty is to kick the shit out of opposition playmakers and that's exactly what he did in the competition. He did what he was asked to do and did it well. I think it's slightly ot to call him "disgrace" for that.
Im all for a good ball winning midfielder mate, but trying to kick someone in the head is not doing his job, deliberately goin in over the top on challenges to hurt people is not the job of a good ball winning midfielder either, look at Makelele who was a legend in the role. Never intentionally hurt anyone, a true pro and a great player. De Jong was disgusting last night, he had no interest in good hard solid and fair tackles, he simply decided Im gonna try and injure someone. I'd call that Keane like and imho football has no place for those kind of thugs. The same could be said for alot of the dutch team but DeJong is supposed a city player and the only one I care about.
yr such a douchelick. Biggest match of his career and he mistimed a kick with shocking results...you could tell by how he reacted that he knew he was lucky not to get Red, and the fact that you, as a City fan who should know De Jong, don't get that then i dunno what to say.
Some other asshole blogger on ESPN.COM called him the "dirtiest player" at the WC. Why don't you go google him up and you two can sit down and have a nice fireside chat and bake some smores and talk about big, bad, mean Nige together, ok?
cheers
thx for weighin in with name calling and childish shite not related to football as you do with most your posts. As always your rants about nothing are much appreciated.
Florida Blue wrote:DoomMerchant wrote:petrov wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Now, I'm not biggest De Jong fan out there as he offers absolutely nothing going forward and lacks passing ability. However, he is a profile player. His duty is to kick the shit out of opposition playmakers and that's exactly what he did in the competition. He did what he was asked to do and did it well. I think it's slightly ot to call him "disgrace" for that.
Im all for a good ball winning midfielder mate, but trying to kick someone in the head is not doing his job, deliberately goin in over the top on challenges to hurt people is not the job of a good ball winning midfielder either, look at Makelele who was a legend in the role. Never intentionally hurt anyone, a true pro and a great player. De Jong was disgusting last night, he had no interest in good hard solid and fair tackles, he simply decided Im gonna try and injure someone. I'd call that Keane like and imho football has no place for those kind of thugs. The same could be said for alot of the dutch team but DeJong is supposed a city player and the only one I care about.
yr such a douchelick. Biggest match of his career and he mistimed a kick with shocking results...you could tell by how he reacted that he knew he was lucky not to get Red, and the fact that you, as a City fan who should know De Jong, don't get that then i dunno what to say.
Some other asshole blogger on ESPN.COM called him the "dirtiest player" at the WC. Why don't you go google him up and you two can sit down and have a nice fireside chat and bake some smores and talk about big, bad, mean Nige together, ok?
cheers
I understand graham crackers are not easy to find in England, so if that is true....
ant london wrote:http://football365.com/john_nicholson/0,17033,8746_6256940,00.html
World Cup finals are rarely the pinnacle of a festival of football. There's too much at stake and if you look in the history books you'll see some real stinkers.
I didn't find Holland v Spain up there with some of the worst, even though listening to the 5live commentary, you'd have thought from Alan Green's general misanthropy that it was as interesting as watching someone making porridge.
Perversely, I love very defensive, negative games. They're to be enjoyed with a different bit of your brain to a 5-0 thrashing or the 4-3 last-minute winner-type games.
It's not football for the tourist, that's for sure, but seeing the Dutch bully Spain, press them hard and close down space was fascinating to me. It's all part of the art of football as much as fannying around a lot with the ball.
I also love a dirty game. Indeed, I badly miss a proper dirty game. It used to be one of the great joys of football. You don't want to see it every game but it used to be an important part of the texture of the game, so kicking, kung-fu and crunching tackles are all fine with me. Holland and to a lesser degree Spain delivered a fine feast of aggression. Mark Van Bommel's ability to hurt people consistently and not get sent off is an art-form in and of itself and I can't help but admire it somehow.
As Green and Ingham moaned about the quality of the game, they missed the point of what the Netherlands were trying to do. Had they played an open, attacking game, they'd have got creamed senseless by Spain. Yes, that would have been fun for the neutral but the Dutch don't owe 5live commentators or anyone else anything. They're there to win and win by any means possible. It wasn't some sort of gross, immoral attitude they took to the game, merely a pragmatic one born out of knowing exactly what would suppress Spain most successfully. I admire that.
The only way to play a side better than you is to stifle, foul, close down and generally get in their faces for as long as you can get away with it. Chances were that a World Cup final will be refereed more liberally because of the occasion, so they took full advantage of that; fair play to them, or rather, foul play to them.
And you know what? It would have bloody worked if Robben had done the job he was there to do and put the ball away. It all worked perfectly and it only failed due to Robben's inability to score from two gilt-edged chances. All Spain's fantastic football was rendered impotent after 15 minutes by the Dutch approach. That was a major achievement and there was much to admire about it.
And while we're talking about fouling, I would also rather the kick-in-the-chest-type foul to the snidey shirt-pull, the wrestling and the petty little fouls which seems so much more mincing somehow. Holland's fouling was much more old school and obvious, Spain's more niggling, petty and over-dramatic.
But in the court of public opinion, the Dutch have one major problem; Arjen Robben. The fact he runs with his arm out, as though he is holding a handbag, the fact he looks like a baby that has undergone some sort of terrible ageing process, the fact that he goes to ground on every occasion possible with a look of tortured anguish on his face that suggested he had just a red hot poker put up his fundament. Robben is one of those players whose side you want to lose just to spite him, no matter how good they are, no matter how much you like the other players. At least Van Bommel is a shamelessly nasty c**t; I quite admire that. Robben is just such a big tart; a once-in-a-generation monster, it's impossible for the neutral to want him to succeed. The fact that Holland failed largely due to his inability to score was ultimately very sweet.
While Spain was, across the tournament, as worthy a winner as any side, the Dutch showed the world how to play them. Maybe they were overly aggressive but clearly, Spain, despite all their mercurial talents, had few answers to being pressed high up the pitch, to being crowded out in midfield and roughed up a bit.
That was great to see and went some way to shutting up the more drooling members of the punditocracy and media for whom Spain could do no wrong; seeing them as some sort of indefatigable footballing gods. The Spain-love had got out of all proportion and had got to such an extreme that any Spanish close control or incisive pass was being described as though no-one else on the planet shared such skill; which isn't to decry their obvious quality at all, more to rate it with some perspective.
So given all of this, I was pleased with the result. Robben lost and Spain won but were made to look human. A fine end to a most enjoyable month of football I'd say.
petrov wrote:Never have my opinions of one player changed so much in a month, never. I was always willing to forgive his lack of tech ability for the shift he puts in and the fact he gives 100% but at the WC I was a whole new side of him. A dirty, dangerous disgrace of a player who should of bein charged with assault in this tournament. I really hope its Toure and Barry in midfield next year (can't believe i said Barry) but I don't think I can ever get behind him again. A complete and utter wanker of Keane like proportions
DoomMerchant wrote:
Not related to football? I've said basically what everyone else in the thread with any common sense has said Mr Overexaggeration. It's you that is on an ill-advised rant based on nothing but seeing that one spectacularly bad effort from NDJ and painting him with the brush of being a 'disgrace.'
Did you watch him in the other matches? Seriously...i doubt it.
cheers
john@staustell wrote:"City player commits sending off offence", shock horror. So fucking what. Nigel is one of the game's hard men and was asked to do a job. He was lucky not to get sent off - presumably because referees are briefed to avoid ruining the contest if there is any margin of doubt at all.
Petrov - the game needs all sorts of players. He's not the first City player to commit a bad foul and he wont be the last. I cannot believe you have ever played the game.
By the way isn't your username a bit dated?
petrov wrote:IanBishopsHaircut wrote:petrov wrote:I don't feel im being over the top but...
That statement means you're being over the top...it's like when racists say...i'm not being racist but...
I don't see how. anyway you guys obviously have your own opinions and while some will argue his case reasonably (NQDP) I'm not in the mood for the others who just throw shite on this site this morning so I think I'll drop out of this one.
Last thing I will say is that had it being Michael Brown who was in DeJ's role last night and Silva bein in the spanish team you guys wouldn't be looking at this with blue tinted glasses.
TheGOAT wrote:petrov wrote:IanBishopsHaircut wrote:petrov wrote:I don't feel im being over the top but...
That statement means you're being over the top...it's like when racists say...i'm not being racist but...
I don't see how. anyway you guys obviously have your own opinions and while some will argue his case reasonably (NQDP) I'm not in the mood for the others who just throw shite on this site this morning so I think I'll drop out of this one.
Last thing I will say is that had it being Michael Brown who was in DeJ's role last night and Silva bein in the spanish team you guys wouldn't be looking at this with blue tinted glasses.
Look mate, your the one who has come onto the site and thrown shite around. Your calling one of our best players a discrace to football because he mistimed a tackle. Then start comparing him to somebody like Roy fucking Keane.
You then get a couple of responses telling you how stupid you are coming across and you back track and make out like you are wanting to have a reasonable discussion about it.
And regarding your ridiculous Michael Brown comment. Any international team with Michael Brown playing in it would never in a million years reach the world cup final. It's like saying if Mike Tyson was playing last night and bit somones ear off we'd all agree with you!
petrov wrote:TheGOAT wrote:petrov wrote:IanBishopsHaircut wrote:petrov wrote:I don't feel im being over the top but...
That statement means you're being over the top...it's like when racists say...i'm not being racist but...
I don't see how. anyway you guys obviously have your own opinions and while some will argue his case reasonably (NQDP) I'm not in the mood for the others who just throw shite on this site this morning so I think I'll drop out of this one.
Last thing I will say is that had it being Michael Brown who was in DeJ's role last night and Silva bein in the spanish team you guys wouldn't be looking at this with blue tinted glasses.
Look mate, your the one who has come onto the site and thrown shite around. Your calling one of our best players a discrace to football because he mistimed a tackle. Then start comparing him to somebody like Roy fucking Keane.
You then get a couple of responses telling you how stupid you are coming across and you back track and make out like you are wanting to have a reasonable discussion about it.
And regarding your ridiculous Michael Brown comment. Any international team with Michael Brown playing in it would never in a million years reach the world cup final. It's like saying if Mike Tyson was playing last night and bit somones ear off we'd all agree with you!
How did I back track, I still have stuck by my opinions. Imho DeJong was a disgrace to football last night and not much better against any of the strong teams thoughout the WC. You obviously aren't reading my posts cause you still think its over 1 tackle when I clearly stated its cause he repeatedly keep going in with dirty tackles and cynical fouling.
I said what I said and yes we can have a reasonable discussion, but comments like do you work for the daily mail aren't exactly part of it.
It didn't have to be a world cup final, had michael Brown spent a Sunday in the prem doing that to Tevez you would all be crying so don't deny it (i've seen it on here over less)
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