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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby Original Dub » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:46 pm

the_georgian_genius wrote:I don't care alot for Carlos Tevez as a person but i'd love another 50, and then another and another and hope he is here to achieve that. He certainly won't be remembered in the same ways as Rosler, Kinkladze for me though but then so what, those who love him and those who don't care for him will be united by the goals he scores that brings us equal happiness.


He could leave in the summer. If that happens, he won't be remembered in the same way as Rosler or Kinkladze.

If he stays for another few years and captains us to our first silverware for more than a generation and wins us the premier league title and champions league title, then I have a feeling he may be remembered even more so than Rosler or Kinkladze and the fact he once had a falling out with the money men will be long forgotten.

I want success for this club and I don't give a fuck what we've to do to get it. Is that fickle?

If so, then sign me fucking up.
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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby the_georgian_genius » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:53 pm

Original Dub wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:I don't care alot for Carlos Tevez as a person but i'd love another 50, and then another and another and hope he is here to achieve that. He certainly won't be remembered in the same ways as Rosler, Kinkladze for me though but then so what, those who love him and those who don't care for him will be united by the goals he scores that brings us equal happiness.


He could leave in the summer. If that happens, he won't be remembered in the same way as Rosler or Kinkladze.

If he stays for another few years and captains us to our first silverware for more than a generation and wins us the premier league title and champions league title, then I have a feeling he may be remembered even more so than Rosler or Kinkladze and the fact he once had a falling out with the money men will be long forgotten.

I want success for this club and I don't give a fuck what we've to do to get it. Is that fickle?

If so, then sign me fucking up.


No not at all but you cannot blame people for having morals and stick to them. Personally i don't like him but i am not naive enough to not understand football, it's not a modern thing it has happened since day one.

I admire people who take a stand when they are not happy, me and you are in the camp of who cares as long as he does well for us but that does not make us fickle with no morals, just different.
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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby Original Dub » Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:00 pm

the_georgian_genius wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:I don't care alot for Carlos Tevez as a person but i'd love another 50, and then another and another and hope he is here to achieve that. He certainly won't be remembered in the same ways as Rosler, Kinkladze for me though but then so what, those who love him and those who don't care for him will be united by the goals he scores that brings us equal happiness.


He could leave in the summer. If that happens, he won't be remembered in the same way as Rosler or Kinkladze.

If he stays for another few years and captains us to our first silverware for more than a generation and wins us the premier league title and champions league title, then I have a feeling he may be remembered even more so than Rosler or Kinkladze and the fact he once had a falling out with the money men will be long forgotten.

I want success for this club and I don't give a fuck what we've to do to get it. Is that fickle?

If so, then sign me fucking up.


No not at all but you cannot blame people for having morals and stick to them. Personally i don't like him but i am not naive enough to not understand football, it's not a modern thing it has happened since day one.

I admire people who take a stand when they are not happy, me and you are in the camp of who cares as long as he does well for us but that does not make us fickle with no morals, just different.


I was having that very conversation with one or two after the West Brom game. Its fine to be in either camp, I just think its a shame to let anything get in the way of letting your captain and star striker be a hero because of something that seems common place in the modern game.

Anyway, I won't be championing him. He does that all on his own and I hope he stays here for fucking years.
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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby s1ty m » Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:41 pm

Tevez is already a legend. It's not even up for debate. Best striker ever in a city shirt. I grew up worshipping tueart. Tevez is in his class and is more prolific.
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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby Original Dub » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:03 am

Here's the fastest to 50 premier league goals. I know these are overall and that Tevez' West ham and rag careers would be taken into account, but it gives some indication of how well he's done in goals to game ratio since joining City - right up there with the very best.

Premier League audiences have been privileged to bear witness to some of the greatest goalscoring exploits in living memory, with the English top flight widely regarded as the most entertaining division in world football.

Global superstars continue to flock to these shores to test themselves against the best in the business, while the finest home-grown talent has also continued to flourish.

Of those to have shone brightest since the Premier League's inception in 1992, it comes as no surprise to hear that it is the fearsome frontmen who have taken most of the plaudits.

After all, they are the ones charged with the task of finding the back of the net - and isn't that what football is all about?

The latest star attraction to be strutting his stuff across the country is Liverpool striker Fernando Torres, who has adapted to life in England with ease since arriving from boyhood heroes Atletico Madrid in 2007.

The Spaniard has given countless centre-halves nightmares over the course of the last two-and-a-half seasons, and passed the 50-goal barrier in the league with a late winner against Aston Villa on Tuesday.

He has reached that milestone in double-quick time, but he sits only fourth on the list of those to have clocked up a half-century in the shortest amount of time.

Here skysports.com acknowledges the considerable achievements of Torres, while also taking a look at a few of the other Premier League hot-shots who have found the target with unerring regularity.
Andy Cole

During his days at Manchester United, Cole earned a reputation for spurning more opportunities than he took. That, though, is unfair on a man who was among the most prolific strikers of his generation. Able to boast just about every major honour on an enviable CV, 'Goal King Cole' will rightly be remembered for the many chances he did take, rather than those he did not. The England international burst onto the Premier League scene while on the books of Newcastle, persuading Sir Alex Ferguson that he was worth £7million of Manchester United's money in 1995. It was during this period that he was at his awesome best, and he tops our list of fastest men to 50 goals as he managed to achieve that feat in just 65 appearances.

Alan Shearer

There was never any doubt that Shearer would feature prominently on this list, with the Premier League's most celebrated hit-man making a career out of hitting the back of the net. He could always be relied upon to lead the line, with Southampton, Blackburn and Newcastle benefiting from his considerable talents. It is during his time at Ewood Park that Shearer enters our latest Top Ten, with his goals helping Rovers to the Premier League title in 1994/95. On his way to that crowning glory, England's No.9 plundered 50 Premier League goals in 66 top-flight outings, meaning he misses out on top spot by the narrowest of margins.

Ruud van Nistelrooy

Patience certainly paid off for Manchester United in 2001 when they finally got their hands on Van Nistelrooy. The Dutchman was supposed to be on his way to Old Trafford 12 months earlier, but a cruciate knee ligament injury delayed his arrival. He was well worth the wait, as he quickly became the Red Devils' goal-poacher in chief. Rarely would see Van Nistelrooy smashing the ball into the top corner from 25 yards, but that was not what his game was about. He had natural goalscoring instincts and could sniff out half a chance where others would have been found wanting. He bagged 150 goals for United during a glittering five-year spell, with his first 50 in the Premier League coming in 68 appearances.

Fernando Torres

The latest entry to this roll of honour, Torres continues to carry the weight of expectation at Liverpool with commendable composure. In the space of two short years, the baby-faced assassin has cemented his place as a Kop idol and is unlikely to see that standing waver any time soon. Torres was not renowned for being a lethal marksman during his time with Atletico, but he has added that string to his bow in style during his time at Anfield. Providing he can steer clear of injury, the Spaniard is a guaranteed source of 20-plus goals a season, while his ability to provide time and space for those around him is also invaluable. As previously mentioned, he recently totted up 50 Premier League goals in the space of 72 fixtures.

Thierry Henry

Arsenal's top scorer of all-time makes the top five, with his phenomenal scoring exploits with the Gunners unlikely to be surpassed in the foreseeable future. The darling of Highbury, Henry is among the finest foreign exports to have graced the Premier League. He helped to turn Arsenal from also-rans into invincibles during eight memorable years in North London. He joins this list with a record of 50 top-flight goals in 83 outings, which is some going given the less then conventional start he had to life with the Gunners. Signed from Juventus as a winger, Arsene Wenger helped to turn Henry into the best striker in world football and made him an icon to millions all over the globe.

Kevin Phillips

Not necessarily a name you would expect to find on a run-down of this sort, but Phillips' inclusion is more than justified. Given that he did not even grace the Premier League until the 1999/00 campaign, the fact that he made such an impression at the highest level speaks volumes for the diminutive, but combative, frontman. Tipped to struggle when surrounded by England's elite, Phillips silenced his critics in spectacular style as notched 30 league goals in his first season, earning him the domestic and European Golden Boot. It did not take him long to go past the 50-goal mark either, with 83 games all that were required for him to break that barrier.

Ian Wright

The second Arsenal icon to make the Top Ten, Wright was ripping defences to shreds long before the dawn of the Premier League. Already an established household name by the time the shiny new top flight was put in place, the fiery cockney was always going to leave his mark on any goalscoring records. On his way to breaking Cliff Bastin's long-standing scoring record for the Gunners he notched 50 Premier League goals in 87 appearances. His record would eventually fall to French maestro Henry, but his place in the hearts of the Arsenal faithful is secure.

Robbie Fowler

Taking into account the fact that Fowler is still affectionately referred to as 'God' in the red half of Merseyside, his lofty standing on this list comes as no surprise. The Toxteth Terrier made the breakthrough at Liverpool while still in his teens, but he looked anything but a rookie during his formative years at Anfield. Never blessed with lightning pace, or the best aerial ability, Fowler came alive with the ball at his feet. As a result he found the back of the net on a regular basis, with well over 200 goals to his name in English football. His first 50 in the Premier League came in 88 outings, which is not too shabby at all.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink

Famed for his time with Chelsea, Hasselbaink actually began his assault on Premier League defences at Leeds United. He found the target on 34 occasions in two seasons while at Elland Road, and was the top flight's joint top scorer in 1998/99. One season in Spain with Atletico Madrid followed before he was brought back to England by Chelsea in 2000. He slotted back into life in the Premier League with consummate ease, grabbing 23 league goals in each of the next two seasons. That fine record allowed him to clock up 50 in 94 appearances, keeping him inside a goal every other game.

Teddy Sheringham

Sheringham boasts an identical record to Hasselbaink, with his first 50 Premier League strikes coming in 94 games. He would manage to find the target 147 times in total, taking in spells at Nottingham Forest, Tottenham (twice), Manchester United, Portsmouth and West Ham. Honours came his way by the bucketload while on the books at Old Trafford, but he had already blazed past the half-century of goals by that point. Considered to have one of the finest football brains of the modern era, Sheringham was able to compete at the highest level past his 40th birthday and would probably still be going now if somebody gave him the opportunity.
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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby Tokyo Blue » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:06 am

Original Dub wrote:I want success for this club and I don't give a fuck what we've to do to get it.

And yet you whine like a little girl about the style of play.

Tevez has done well for my club and I hope he continues to do so but I have little affection for him.

It is slightly irksome that we are employing certain players who are a bit on the cunty side. Perhaps when we become successful our desperation will disappear and we can be a bit more discerning over what kind of man pulls on our beautiful blue shirt.
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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby john@staustell » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:07 am

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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby Rag_hater » Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:18 am

Original Dub wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:This is gonna go on and on and on...

I'm at the WHO FUCKING CARES stage now. Its the modern game. Hate the game, not the player. Every other set of fans seem to be able to get over the fact that their star player threw a wobbly. John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Cesc Fabregas, Wayne Rooney, Fernando Torres, Charlie Adam - will I go on?

Its called player power. It sucks, but its tough shit.

I can only recommend that you and others like you try to put it to one side because he is greatest player I have ever seen to wear the Man City shirt and it would be a real shame if you scorned on him the whole time for something that has now unfortunately become part and parcel of the game of football.







You sound as if you want to have his babies



And you sound like a raving fucking lunatic that hasn't got a breeze about football in every single WUM post you have ever made on this board.

I am a Tevez fanatic - have been since I first saw him play about 7 years ago. He is my favourite player to ever put on the City shirt. He is the fastest City striker EVER to reach the 50 goal mark and in every game he gives absolutely EVERYTHING he has to win. Thoroughly amazing player. That said, my post was not about how fanatical a fan I am in any way - more about player power in the modern game, but as ever you chose to interpret it like you do with everyone's posts - in a way that suits you.

And you have the nerve to have a dig at me over Carlos Tevez when most of your "contribution" on this board consisted of wanking over Robinho and defending him to the hilt even when he was being a cunt. You even defended him against the club.

Get a fucking grip old man.





And for fuck sake, how do you manage to fuck up pressing the "quote" button EVERY FUCKING TIME??!







Take a deep breath Dub, calm down.
You really are a fickle hypocrite
For somebody who has their favourite player as Carlos why did you have a picture of Yaya and until a few months ago Ireland.
Is it the fact that you can't take being argued or debated with without resorting to name calling and profanites to try and make some banal point thats normally wrong or your opinion.
And despite your fickle ramblings a lot of people don't have the same feelings you have towards Carlos and can see him for what he is.Make as many excuses as you want.Some of us arn't as green and naive as the people you may come across.
And EVERY FUCKING TIME??! is another one of them lies that are you trying to kid people with.
Even if the gist of your post was to highlight the strength of player power the foolishness of your blind brown-nosing towards Carlos was clear and hence my comment .
Chill out.


I'm perfectly calm, its just the way I post you cunt.

I had a picture of Yaya because I'm a fan. In the past, I've had several different favourite City players. SWP, Ireland, Barton, Quinn, Dunne, ROBINHO (did you say something about brown nosing?), Horlock... and many, many more. Is Robinho still your favourite player? By God this club treated him like shit didn't we?

As for the "foolishness of my brown-nosing towards Carlos" - I make no apology for being in awe of the greatest striker I have ever seen at the club I support. I'm very passionate about Manchester City and equally so towards any member of staff (playing or otherwise) that helps to make my club great and will continue to do so until he leaves or stops contributing in a positive manner.

The fact he had a falling out with his employers, resulting in a short term dispute that has now been rectified does not interest me in the least and again I will make no apology for not being in the "I don't feel the same way about him anymore" club. Just like any fan of Terry, Gerrard, Rooney, Fabregas or any other star player that acted up for one reason or another but ended up staying.

No matter how much you wanted to wind me up - lets face it, its what you spend all your time on here doing - why not debate the point I was making instead.

Just to run that point by you again - I believe that unfortunately, it seems to be part and parcel of the modern game that the star players of quite a few top clubs have held the club to ransom for one reason or another. I don't give a shit as long as they continue to contribute to our success.

You obviously don't agree with this. Do tell?


You sound a bit stressed.Good job I'm here innit really or goodness knows where your stress would lead.Go and relieve the tension.
As for Carlos, a lot of us arn't fooled by the fact he runs around like his life depended on it.He does that wherever he goes.It may look good and be having amazing results at the moment but it is what is to be expected.He does what he is paid for.He does it very well and its arguable whether its the best we have ever had(you might be right and it is)but just to labour the point thats what we paid all that money for and continue to do so.If you pay that kind of money thats what you get.You pay peanuts you get monkeys were paying millions though so we get Carlos.So getting to 50 goals quickly is to be expected is it not.
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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby Original Dub » Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:57 am

Tokyo Blue wrote:
Original Dub wrote:I want success for this club and I don't give a fuck what we've to do to get it.

And yet you whine like a little girl about the style of play.

Tevez has done well for my club and I hope he continues to do so but I have little affection for him.

It is slightly irksome that we are employing certain players who are a bit on the cunty side. Perhaps when we become successful our desperation will disappear and we can be a bit more discerning over what kind of man pulls on our beautiful blue shirt.


Sometimes I hate the way we play. I make no apology for that. And I'm not on my own either - I heard THOUSANDS of people "whining like a little girl about the style of play" not so long ago. Although you wouldn't have a clue about that.

If having a player like Tevez play for us is us being "desperate" then long may it continue. I wish we had 11 players like Tevez on the pitch. If we did, we'd most likely have this title wrapped up and going for the treble.

Its a shame we didn't sign Bullard and that Jamie Redknapp has retired. They're really nice guys by all accounts.
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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby Original Dub » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:16 am

Rag_hater wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:This is gonna go on and on and on...

I'm at the WHO FUCKING CARES stage now. Its the modern game. Hate the game, not the player. Every other set of fans seem to be able to get over the fact that their star player threw a wobbly. John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Cesc Fabregas, Wayne Rooney, Fernando Torres, Charlie Adam - will I go on?

Its called player power. It sucks, but its tough shit.

I can only recommend that you and others like you try to put it to one side because he is greatest player I have ever seen to wear the Man City shirt and it would be a real shame if you scorned on him the whole time for something that has now unfortunately become part and parcel of the game of football.







You sound as if you want to have his babies



And you sound like a raving fucking lunatic that hasn't got a breeze about football in every single WUM post you have ever made on this board.

I am a Tevez fanatic - have been since I first saw him play about 7 years ago. He is my favourite player to ever put on the City shirt. He is the fastest City striker EVER to reach the 50 goal mark and in every game he gives absolutely EVERYTHING he has to win. Thoroughly amazing player. That said, my post was not about how fanatical a fan I am in any way - more about player power in the modern game, but as ever you chose to interpret it like you do with everyone's posts - in a way that suits you.

And you have the nerve to have a dig at me over Carlos Tevez when most of your "contribution" on this board consisted of wanking over Robinho and defending him to the hilt even when he was being a cunt. You even defended him against the club.

Get a fucking grip old man.





And for fuck sake, how do you manage to fuck up pressing the "quote" button EVERY FUCKING TIME??!







Take a deep breath Dub, calm down.
You really are a fickle hypocrite
For somebody who has their favourite player as Carlos why did you have a picture of Yaya and until a few months ago Ireland.
Is it the fact that you can't take being argued or debated with without resorting to name calling and profanites to try and make some banal point thats normally wrong or your opinion.
And despite your fickle ramblings a lot of people don't have the same feelings you have towards Carlos and can see him for what he is.Make as many excuses as you want.Some of us arn't as green and naive as the people you may come across.
And EVERY FUCKING TIME??! is another one of them lies that are you trying to kid people with.
Even if the gist of your post was to highlight the strength of player power the foolishness of your blind brown-nosing towards Carlos was clear and hence my comment .
Chill out.


I'm perfectly calm, its just the way I post you cunt.

I had a picture of Yaya because I'm a fan. In the past, I've had several different favourite City players. SWP, Ireland, Barton, Quinn, Dunne, ROBINHO (did you say something about brown nosing?), Horlock... and many, many more. Is Robinho still your favourite player? By God this club treated him like shit didn't we?

As for the "foolishness of my brown-nosing towards Carlos" - I make no apology for being in awe of the greatest striker I have ever seen at the club I support. I'm very passionate about Manchester City and equally so towards any member of staff (playing or otherwise) that helps to make my club great and will continue to do so until he leaves or stops contributing in a positive manner.

The fact he had a falling out with his employers, resulting in a short term dispute that has now been rectified does not interest me in the least and again I will make no apology for not being in the "I don't feel the same way about him anymore" club. Just like any fan of Terry, Gerrard, Rooney, Fabregas or any other star player that acted up for one reason or another but ended up staying.

No matter how much you wanted to wind me up - lets face it, its what you spend all your time on here doing - why not debate the point I was making instead.

Just to run that point by you again - I believe that unfortunately, it seems to be part and parcel of the modern game that the star players of quite a few top clubs have held the club to ransom for one reason or another. I don't give a shit as long as they continue to contribute to our success.

You obviously don't agree with this. Do tell?


You sound a bit stressed.Good job I'm here innit really or goodness knows where your stress would lead.Go and relieve the tension.
As for Carlos, a lot of us arn't fooled by the fact he runs around like his life depended on it.He does that wherever he goes.It may look good and be having amazing results at the moment but it is what is to be expected.He does what he is paid for.He does it very well and its arguable whether its the best we have ever had(you might be right and it is)but just to labour the point thats what we paid all that money for and continue to do so.If you pay that kind of money thats what you get.You pay peanuts you get monkeys were paying millions though so we get Carlos.So getting to 50 goals quickly is to be expected is it not.


No I'm not stressed at all, that's just the way I post you cunt.

Well, I gave you a chance to debate the point I originally made that you completely missed... hell, I even ran it by you at the end of the post just to make sure, but you missed it AGAIN! I WAS TALKING ABOUT PLAYER POWER IN THE MODERN GAME AND I BELIEVE IT TO UNFORTUNATELY PART AND PARCEL THESE DAYS. DO YOU FUCKING AGREE AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?!!

As for your "argument" on Tevez - I'm pretty sure even those who no longer like the man will say you're talking through your swiss roll. First of all, we've paid big money for nearly everyone on the pitch and none perform like Tevez, so the "you get what you pay for" falls on its face immediately. In fact, if your theory was to stand, then every high paid player that came with a large fee to any club is as good as Tevez. I can't WAIT to see Andy Carroll blitz Tevez.

What we're talking about here is one of the best strikers in world football and no, I don't actually believe any of us - including the club's hierarchy - believed that's what we were buying. They believed we were buying the striker you described.. the industrious striker with fantastic hold up play that leads by example (or runs around a lot - I know you don't "buy into that").

So no, the fastest City striker to get to 50 goals - I don't think anyone expected that. Tevez was bought for everything else he does. In fact, If I recall correctly, there was a thread about who our top scorer would be after we bought Tevez and Adebayor and almost to a man, it was Ade that was tipped to be top.

Tevez is one of the top strikers in the world and he playes for us. That makes him almost irreplacable.

Now I'll debate all day with you about how good of a player Carlos Tevez is - my argument being he's one of the best in the world, yours being he runs around a lot and has everyone fooled - but none of that was in my original post. It was about how I felt what Tevez did is UNFORTUNATELY part and parcel of the modern game and the modern footballer. I hope and pray that you haven't missed that this time.
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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby Rag_hater » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:22 am

You sound as if you want to have his babies[/quote]


And you sound like a raving fucking lunatic that hasn't got a breeze about football in every single WUM post you have ever made on this board.

I am a Tevez fanatic - have been since I first saw him play about 7 years ago. He is my favourite player to ever put on the City shirt. He is the fastest City striker EVER to reach the 50 goal mark and in every game he gives absolutely EVERYTHING he has to win. Thoroughly amazing player. That said, my post was not about how fanatical a fan I am in any way - more about player power in the modern game, but as ever you chose to interpret it like you do with everyone's posts - in a way that suits you.

And you have the nerve to have a dig at me over Carlos Tevez when most of your "contribution" on this board consisted of wanking over Robinho and defending him to the hilt even when he was being a cunt. You even defended him against the club.

Get a fucking grip old man.





And for fuck sake, how do you manage to fuck up pressing the "quote" button EVERY FUCKING TIME??![/quote]






Take a deep breath Dub, calm down.
You really are a fickle hypocrite
For somebody who has their favourite player as Carlos why did you have a picture of Yaya and until a few months ago Ireland.
Is it the fact that you can't take being argued or debated with without resorting to name calling and profanites to try and make some banal point thats normally wrong or your opinion.
And despite your fickle ramblings a lot of people don't have the same feelings you have towards Carlos and can see him for what he is.Make as many excuses as you want.Some of us arn't as green and naive as the people you may come across.
And EVERY FUCKING TIME??! is another one of them lies that are you trying to kid people with.
Even if the gist of your post was to highlight the strength of player power the foolishness of your blind brown-nosing towards Carlos was clear and hence my comment .
Chill out.[/quote]

I'm perfectly calm, its just the way I post you cunt.

I had a picture of Yaya because I'm a fan. In the past, I've had several different favourite City players. SWP, Ireland, Barton, Quinn, Dunne, ROBINHO (did you say something about brown nosing?), Horlock... and many, many more. Is Robinho still your favourite player? By God this club treated him like shit didn't we?

As for the "foolishness of my brown-nosing towards Carlos" - I make no apology for being in awe of the greatest striker I have ever seen at the club I support. I'm very passionate about Manchester City and equally so towards any member of staff (playing or otherwise) that helps to make my club great and will continue to do so until he leaves or stops contributing in a positive manner.

The fact he had a falling out with his employers, resulting in a short term dispute that has now been rectified does not interest me in the least and again I will make no apology for not being in the "I don't feel the same way about him anymore" club. Just like any fan of Terry, Gerrard, Rooney, Fabregas or any other star player that acted up for one reason or another but ended up staying.

No matter how much you wanted to wind me up - lets face it, its what you spend all your time on here doing - why not debate the point I was making instead.

Just to run that point by you again - I believe that unfortunately, it seems to be part and parcel of the modern game that the star players of quite a few top clubs have held the club to ransom for one reason or another. I don't give a shit as long as they continue to contribute to our success.

You obviously don't agree with this. Do tell?[/quote]

You sound a bit stressed.Good job I'm here innit really or goodness knows where your stress would lead.Go and relieve the tension.
As for Carlos, a lot of us arn't fooled by the fact he runs around like his life depended on it.He does that wherever he goes.It may look good and be having amazing results at the moment but it is what is to be expected.He does what he is paid for.He does it very well and its arguable whether its the best we have ever had(you might be right and it is)but just to labour the point thats what we paid all that money for and continue to do so.If you pay that kind of money thats what you get.You pay peanuts you get monkeys were paying millions though so we get Carlos.So getting to 50 goals quickly is to be expected is it not.[/quote]

No I'm not stressed at all, that's just the way I post you cunt.

Well, I gave you a chance to debate the point I originally made that you completely missed... hell, I even ran it by you at the end of the post just to make sure, but you missed it AGAIN! I WAS TALKING ABOUT PLAYER POWER IN THE MODERN GAME AND I BELIEVE IT TO UNFORTUNATELY PART AND PARCEL THESE DAYS. DO YOU FUCKING AGREE AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?!!

As for your "argument" on Tevez - I'm pretty sure even those who no longer like the man will say you're talking through your swiss roll. First of all, we've paid big money for nearly everyone on the pitch and none perform like Tevez, so the "you get what you pay for" falls on its face immediately. In fact, if your theory was to stand, then every high paid player that came with a large fee to any club is as good as Tevez. I can't WAIT to see Andy Carroll blitz Tevez.

What we're talking about here is one of the best strikers in world football and no, I don't actually believe any of us - including the club's hierarchy - believed that's what we were buying. They believed we were buying the striker you described.. the industrious striker with fantastic hold up play that leads by example (or runs around a lot - I know you don't "buy into that").

So no, the fastest City striker to get to 50 goals - I don't think anyone expected that. Tevez was bought for everything else he does. In fact, If I recall correctly, there was a thread about who our top scorer would be after we bought Tevez and Adebayor and almost to a man, it was Ade that was tipped to be top.

Tevez is one of the top strikers in the world and he playes for us. That makes him almost irreplacable.

Now I'll debate all day with you about how good of a player Carlos Tevez is - my argument being he's one of the best in the world, yours being he runs around a lot and has everyone fooled - but none of that was in my original post. It was about how I felt what Tevez did is UNFORTUNATELY part and parcel of the modern game and the modern footballer. I hope and pray that you haven't missed that this time.[/quote]



My thoughts on the issue of player power are that really I am not interested at all, but how I think things happen goes something like this.Whatever relationship a club has with a player is private and between the parties who have contracts with each other.
I think Carlos was told he aint going anywhere and if he didn't play ball he would find himself bankrupt and tied up in litigation for the rest of his life.I have a feeling that the options he was given resulted in us getting the player we have I think it was made very clear to Carlos that fucking around with our Sheikh and not towing the party line was an option that would lead to a very detrimental outcome for him.Whether he stays past the summer or leaves is of very little issue.The fact of the matter is he has had to stay.To keep face in public I'm sure Carlos is happy to say he is glad he stayed and his request was a mistake,however I think the truth of the matter is he knows that really because of what he has done in the past he has to honour and see it out although he is not to happy about it.Player power for me is something a club can overcome if it has enough money.Its all about money.
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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby Original Dub » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:17 am

My thoughts on the issue of player power are that really I am not interested at all, but how I think things happen goes something like this.Whatever relationship a club has with a player is private and between the parties who have contracts with each other.
I think Carlos was told he aint going anywhere and if he didn't play ball he would find himself bankrupt and tied up in litigation for the rest of his life.I have a feeling that the options he was given resulted in us getting the player we have I think it was made very clear to Carlos that fucking around with our Sheikh and not towing the party line was an option that would lead to a very detrimental outcome for him.Whether he stays past the summer or leaves is of very little issue.The fact of the matter is he has had to stay.To keep face in public I'm sure Carlos is happy to say he is glad he stayed and his request was a mistake,however I think the truth of the matter is he knows that really because of what he has done in the past he has to honour and see it out although he is not to happy about it.Player power for me is something a club can overcome if it has enough money.Its all about money.


I think in an ideal world (and some years back also) the relationship between a player and his club are private, but my point was that no longer seems to be the case. Whether the player wants more money or simply wants to leave (normally a threat made because of money), the fact that it is made public by the player or his reps is because he wants to force whatever the issue is. I think its shit and it takes some of what little romance there is left from the game. But it does seem to be part and parcel these days, because plenty of top players have done it, particularly of late.

In light of this, as disappointed as I was at the time of his transfer request - and yes, I called him a little cunt as well as everyone else - I have accepted that it seems to be commonplace and whilst I don't like it, I don't think Carlos Tevez is any different to Wayne Rooney, Cesc Fabregas, Fernando Torres (although he actually left), Steven Gerrard, Charlie Adam, Christopher Samba or any of the more powerful players at their respective clubs.

FFS they were burning images of Gerrard outside Anfield. The game of football is fickle, to support it - and all elements of it - to the full, probably requires some fickleness too.

Do you hold anything against him personally? I doubt it. You didn't hold anything against Robinho. I did because IMO he wasn't performing and was continually stating he wanted out of the club, week in, week out, but you didn't.

I find it hard to believe you have any feeling towards Carlos Tevez the man, good, bad or indifferent. While we're on that subject, I don't even know the cunt, but I love Carlos Tevez the player and his tranfer request, in the long term, did nothing to change that.
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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby dikdik » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:25 pm

Original Dub wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:
I don't care alot for Carlos Tevez as a person but i'd love another 50, and then another and another and hope he is here to achieve that. He certainly won't be remembered in the same ways as Rosler, Kinkladze for me though but then so what, those who love him and those who don't care for him will be united by the goals he scores that brings us equal happiness.

He could leave in the summer. If that happens, he won't be remembered in the same way as Rosler or Kinkladze.

If he stays for another few years and captains us to our first silverware for more than a generation and wins us the premier league title and champions league title, then I have a feeling he may be remembered even more so than Rosler or Kinkladze and the fact he once had a falling out with the money men will be long forgotten.

I want success for this club and I don't give a fuck what we've to do to get it. Is that fickle?

If so, then sign me fucking up.

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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby Original Dub » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:43 pm

What works - the "quote" button? :)
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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby Rag_hater » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:03 pm

Original Dub wrote:
My thoughts on the issue of player power are that really I am not interested at all, but how I think things happen goes something like this.Whatever relationship a club has with a player is private and between the parties who have contracts with each other.
I think Carlos was told he aint going anywhere and if he didn't play ball he would find himself bankrupt and tied up in litigation for the rest of his life.I have a feeling that the options he was given resulted in us getting the player we have I think it was made very clear to Carlos that fucking around with our Sheikh and not towing the party line was an option that would lead to a very detrimental outcome for him.Whether he stays past the summer or leaves is of very little issue.The fact of the matter is he has had to stay.To keep face in public I'm sure Carlos is happy to say he is glad he stayed and his request was a mistake,however I think the truth of the matter is he knows that really because of what he has done in the past he has to honour and see it out although he is not to happy about it.Player power for me is something a club can overcome if it has enough money.Its all about money.


I think in an ideal world (and some years back also) the relationship between a player and his club are private, but my point was that no longer seems to be the case. Whether the player wants more money or simply wants to leave (normally a threat made because of money), the fact that it is made public by the player or his reps is because he wants to force whatever the issue is. I think its shit and it takes some of what little romance there is left from the game. But it does seem to be part and parcel these days, because plenty of top players have done it, particularly of late.

In light of this, as disappointed as I was at the time of his transfer request - and yes, I called him a little cunt as well as everyone else - I have accepted that it seems to be commonplace and whilst I don't like it, I don't think Carlos Tevez is any different to Wayne Rooney, Cesc Fabregas, Fernando Torres (although he actually left), Steven Gerrard, Charlie Adam, Christopher Samba or any of the more powerful players at their respective clubs.

FFS they were burning images of Gerrard outside Anfield. The game of football is fickle, to support it - and all elements of it - to the full, probably requires some fickleness too.

Do you hold anything against him personally? I doubt it. You didn't hold anything against Robinho. I did because IMO he wasn't performing and was continually stating he wanted out of the club, week in, week out, but you didn't.

I find it hard to believe you have any feeling towards Carlos Tevez the man, good, bad or indifferent. While we're on that subject, I don't even know the cunt, but I love Carlos Tevez the player and his tranfer request, in the long term, did nothing to change that.


I think what you say about things being touted in public is not right.Although some of what agents, players,managers and chairmen etc... say comes out in public quite a lot remains private.Whats gone on with the management and Carlos in private I think it we will never know.And I suppose its private maybe we shouldn't know.Personally as you say I think Carlos strikes me as a decent enough bloke and I have no ill feeling towards him.But you seem to be able to forgive Carlos for doing things you have castigated other players for.
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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby Original Dub » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:13 pm

Rag_hater wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
My thoughts on the issue of player power are that really I am not interested at all, but how I think things happen goes something like this.Whatever relationship a club has with a player is private and between the parties who have contracts with each other.
I think Carlos was told he aint going anywhere and if he didn't play ball he would find himself bankrupt and tied up in litigation for the rest of his life.I have a feeling that the options he was given resulted in us getting the player we have I think it was made very clear to Carlos that fucking around with our Sheikh and not towing the party line was an option that would lead to a very detrimental outcome for him.Whether he stays past the summer or leaves is of very little issue.The fact of the matter is he has had to stay.To keep face in public I'm sure Carlos is happy to say he is glad he stayed and his request was a mistake,however I think the truth of the matter is he knows that really because of what he has done in the past he has to honour and see it out although he is not to happy about it.Player power for me is something a club can overcome if it has enough money.Its all about money.


I think in an ideal world (and some years back also) the relationship between a player and his club are private, but my point was that no longer seems to be the case. Whether the player wants more money or simply wants to leave (normally a threat made because of money), the fact that it is made public by the player or his reps is because he wants to force whatever the issue is. I think its shit and it takes some of what little romance there is left from the game. But it does seem to be part and parcel these days, because plenty of top players have done it, particularly of late.

In light of this, as disappointed as I was at the time of his transfer request - and yes, I called him a little cunt as well as everyone else - I have accepted that it seems to be commonplace and whilst I don't like it, I don't think Carlos Tevez is any different to Wayne Rooney, Cesc Fabregas, Fernando Torres (although he actually left), Steven Gerrard, Charlie Adam, Christopher Samba or any of the more powerful players at their respective clubs.

FFS they were burning images of Gerrard outside Anfield. The game of football is fickle, to support it - and all elements of it - to the full, probably requires some fickleness too.

Do you hold anything against him personally? I doubt it. You didn't hold anything against Robinho. I did because IMO he wasn't performing and was continually stating he wanted out of the club, week in, week out, but you didn't.

I find it hard to believe you have any feeling towards Carlos Tevez the man, good, bad or indifferent. While we're on that subject, I don't even know the cunt, but I love Carlos Tevez the player and his tranfer request, in the long term, did nothing to change that.


I think what you say about things being touted in public is not right.Although some of what agents, players,managers and chairmen etc... say comes out in public quite a lot remains private.Whats gone on with the management and Carlos in private I think it we will never know.And I suppose its private maybe we shouldn't know.Personally as you say I think Carlos strikes me as a decent enough bloke and I have no ill feeling towards him.But you seem to be able to forgive Carlos for doing things you have castigated other players for.


Well mate, what I dislike is any player not giving 100% and/or continually showing the club in a negative light. Tevezgate, while it pissed me right off, it was short lived and the media didn't see City in a bad light - quite the opposite I think. Besides that incident, I've hear drumblings that he wants to go home but he doesn't play that way. In fact, he plays better than any city player I've ever seen and I don't think that's possible if you're truely unhappy. Time will tell if he actually does leave, but I've a feeling he will stay if we get champion's league.

If he does leave, I'll still think very fondly of what he did at the club and all the times I thought to myself "this fella is a fucking goal machine!". Basically, he has brought me more enjoyment in the game than probably anyone. Football to me is entertainment, first and foremost.

I reckon you might be referring to Robinho when you say I castigated other players, but I think there's a HUGE difference there. Robinho didn't contribute on nearly the same level as Tevez and continually said he wanted out. When the gauntlet was thrown down, he ran. When the gauntlet was thrown down for Tevez, he stood tall and gave more than most players are even capable of if their lives depended on it.

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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby Original Dub » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:06 pm

Kia at it again. Silly cunt. He says Tevez wouldn't mind the money being less. Would Corinthians mind the fee being at least 60m??



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Re: The Fastest to 50

Postby bluej » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:44 am

"The quote button, won't someone please think of the quote button!"

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