The art of corner taking ......

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I wonder when we take a corner what the plan is. Are we trying to find the head of a player juest beyond the front post?
or are we trying to land it around the penalty spot or on someone's head roughly level with the far post?

I havent a clue.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

I wonder when we take a corner what the plan is. Are we trying to find the head of a player juest beyond the front post?
or are we trying to land it around the penalty spot or on someone's head roughly level with the far post?

I havent a clue.

Analyzing it too much. Just knock the fucker into the box and attack it. That way you score goals. Simples.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I wonder when we take a corner what the plan is. Are we trying to find the head of a player juest beyond the front post?
or are we trying to land it around the penalty spot or on someone's head roughly level with the far post?

I havent a clue.

Analyzing it too much. Just knock the fucker into the box and attack it. That way you score goals. Simples.

Just asking not analysing.You would think there was a plan though wouldn't you so that the attacking players knew where to make the best runs.

I actually quite like your "plan" but that would mean lump it into the middle and fight for it.Surley if that was all they were doing they would miss the front man more often?

[Bridge'srightfoot]

I wonder when we take a corner what the plan is. Are we trying to find the head of a player juest beyond the front post?
or are we trying to land it around the penalty spot or on someone's head roughly level with the far post?

I havent a clue.

Analyzing it too much. Just knock the fucker into the box and attack it. That way you score goals. Simples.

Just asking not analysing.You would think there was a plan though wouldn't you so that the attacking players knew where to make the best runs.

I actually quite like your "plan" but that would mean lump it into the middle and fight for it.Surley if that was all they were doing they would miss the front man more often?

Yeah, you don't need to focus too much on technique. Look how many a team like Stoke score from set pieces. They simply lump it in to the middle and attack it.

[CITYSTEVEDON]

when you take a corner, you should always try to get the ball to the penulty spot, then enough people should be around that area to have a pop

[nick (duki blues)]

Anyone remember any good city corner takers apart from Hinchy?
Was it Paul Power who used to swing them in for flick ons from near post in John Bond days?

i was thinking the exact same thing but think it was tommy hutchinson who used to take them but you might be right and little bobby macdonald used to score a good few goals from these knock ons
maybe its something that could be looked at by putting dzeko on the near post and im sure silva could deliver perfectly for him

a perfect example 1min 35 into the video made to look easy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDwy6TaUmTA

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

I remember watching this last month and struggling to think back to when I had seen such a good corner:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBHig7bokE8#t=0m54s

[Rag_hater]

A random sample of English Premier League matches found that a goal was scored once every 36 corner kicks (Taylor et al, 2005). This study also reported that of 217 corners attempted only 31% resulted in a shot. A study of the Euro 2008 tournament (31 matches) showed that 313 corner kicks resulted in 26 shots (8%) and 5 goals – a 1:63 goals to corner ratio.

I dont think taking good corner is as easy as people here assume.
Anything thats high enough to beat the first man is gonna be easy fodder for a half decent goalie.

[Ted Hughes]

A random sample of English Premier League matches found that a goal was scored once every 36 corner kicks (Taylor et al, 2005). This study also reported that of 217 corners attempted only 31% resulted in a shot. A study of the Euro 2008 tournament (31 matches) showed that 313 corner kicks resulted in 26 shots (8%) and 5 goals – a 1:63 goals to corner ratio.

I dont think taking good corner is as easy as people here assume.
Anything thats high enough to beat the first man is gonna be easy fodder for a half decent goalie.

If that's the case, how do people ever score from direct free kicks, when they have to get a ball over or round a whole wall of players & hit a target at pace?

[Rag_hater]

A random sample of English Premier League matches found that a goal was scored once every 36 corner kicks (Taylor et al, 2005). This study also reported that of 217 corners attempted only 31% resulted in a shot. A study of the Euro 2008 tournament (31 matches) showed that 313 corner kicks resulted in 26 shots (8%) and 5 goals – a 1:63 goals to corner ratio.

I dont think taking good corner is as easy as people here assume.
Anything thats high enough to beat the first man is gonna be easy fodder for a half decent goalie.

If that's the case, how do people ever score from direct free kicks, when they have to get a ball over or round a whole wall of players & hit a target at pace?

I think taking a direct free kick is a little easier than a good corner but even then it is missed more often than not.Also when a team like Stoke have set plays it is seen as their only chance as they might get a ball in that a more skillful team might not be prepared for.Its considered as anti-football when a team like that does it,is that what we should be aiming for?
All this we should be more dangerous at corners strikes me as the tactics of a team with few ideas.
A goal from a corner strikes me as pub team footy.

[Ted Hughes]

A random sample of English Premier League matches found that a goal was scored once every 36 corner kicks (Taylor et al, 2005). This study also reported that of 217 corners attempted only 31% resulted in a shot. A study of the Euro 2008 tournament (31 matches) showed that 313 corner kicks resulted in 26 shots (8%) and 5 goals – a 1:63 goals to corner ratio.

I dont think taking good corner is as easy as people here assume.
Anything thats high enough to beat the first man is gonna be easy fodder for a half decent goalie.

If that's the case, how do people ever score from direct free kicks, when they have to get a ball over or round a whole wall of players & hit a target at pace?

I think taking a direct free kick is a little easier than a good corner but even then it is missed more often than not.Also when a team like Stoke have set plays it is seen as their only chance as they might get a ball in that a more skillful team might not be prepared for.Its considered as anti-football when a team like that does it,is that what we should be aiming for?
All this we should be more dangerous at corners strikes me as the tactics of a team with few ideas.
A goal from a corner strikes me as pub team footy.

Have you ever kicked a football?

Btw, if everyone else scores from corners & set pieces & you don't, then you have to be a percentage better than them in order to make up for it. The best side at scoring headers etc in the PL was Utd last time I looked. Many of their goals or near misses v us are from set pieces either directly or through us not being able to clear the ball due to the quality of delivery. The difference between top sides & Stoke is that the top sides play football as well. Brazil scored many of their opening goals from corners in the recent WC qualifiers, as do Chelsea, Spurs & even Arsenal are getting good at it.

We are shite at it. If we were as good as them, we'd be in the top 2.

[Rag_hater]

A random sample of English Premier League matches found that a goal was scored once every 36 corner kicks (Taylor et al, 2005). This study also reported that of 217 corners attempted only 31% resulted in a shot. A study of the Euro 2008 tournament (31 matches) showed that 313 corner kicks resulted in 26 shots (8%) and 5 goals – a 1:63 goals to corner ratio.

I dont think taking good corner is as easy as people here assume.
Anything thats high enough to beat the first man is gonna be easy fodder for a half decent goalie.

If that's the case, how do people ever score from direct free kicks, when they have to get a ball over or round a whole wall of players & hit a target at pace?

I think taking a direct free kick is a little easier than a good corner but even then it is missed more often than not.Also when a team like Stoke have set plays it is seen as their only chance as they might get a ball in that a more skillful team might not be prepared for.Its considered as anti-football when a team like that does it,is that what we should be aiming for?
All this we should be more dangerous at corners strikes me as the tactics of a team with few ideas.
A goal from a corner strikes me as pub team footy.

Have you ever kicked a football?

Btw, if everyone else scores from corners & set pieces & you don't, then you have to be a percentage better than them in order to make up for it. The best side at scoring headers etc in the PL was Utd last time I looked. Many of their goals or near misses v us are from set pieces either directly or through us not being able to clear the ball due to the quality of delivery. The difference between top sides & Stoke is that the top sides play football as well. Brazil scored many of their opening goals from corners in the recent WC qualifiers, as do Chelsea, Spurs & even Arsenal are getting good at it.

We are shite at it. If we were as good as them, we'd be in the top 2.

Mainly kicked balls in the park,not professsionally,have you?
You were dissing Brazil when they scored from corners.
The quality of delivery is not dependant on it coming from a dead ball.More of the good teams goals come from open play.
And can you tell me with all this superb delivery the rags seem to achieve from dead balls why they don't score every time they get a corner.

Season 07/08 ,if you can get more recent please tell me.
Roque Santa Cruz scored eight headed goals – more than any other player.(in a team that came 7th)
Spurs conceded the most headed goals -15.
33% of the goals United conceded this season were headers – the highest proportion in the top flight.(I think they won it that year so if they are so good at set play not being able to defend them did them no harm)
Arsenal conceded the fewest headed goals this season -3.
Aston Villa scored the most headed goals – 16.(the year they came 6th)

[zuricity]

The title of the thread is wrong anyway. Taking corners is a science and not an art. Anyone that thinks to the contrary is an arse
Well a philistine. !

[Longball]

lescott used to score for fun with Everton- we are piss useless at corners tbh

[Rag_hater]

Its Route 1 football of the most basic kind.

[Ted Hughes]

Its Route 1 football of the most basic kind.

It's part of the game! You don't select parts of football you don't like & decide you're not going to be any good at it because it offends your principles!

'Oh I feel conceding goals is wrong so I'll do withut a goalkeeper'.

[Rag_hater]

Its Route 1 football of the most basic kind.

It's part of the game! You don't select parts of football you don't like & decide you're not going to be any good at it because it offends your principles!

'Oh I feel conceding goals is wrong so I'll do withut a goalkeeper'.

I take your point its part of the game but I dont see it as a particular weakness of ours.I think we are about the same as most other teams.If you get about 6/7 corners a game it will be about every 5 or 6 games you score.I should imagine every team is about there,along with us.
Also I think that it is not a skill the top teams have to excell at.For me the top teams should be able to pass their way around stubborn teams.I dont think teams like Barça and AC or them are top of their leagues because they are good at corners.There is a lot more to their game

[Bridge'srightfoot]

RAG_HATER

My my are you alright? You are saying you don't want us to score from corners because it's anti football?
Yeah so 0-0 in the last minute, better not scoring at all then scoring from a corner.

[Ted Hughes]

Its Route 1 football of the most basic kind.

It's part of the game! You don't select parts of football you don't like & decide you're not going to be any good at it because it offends your principles!

'Oh I feel conceding goals is wrong so I'll do withut a goalkeeper'.

I take your point its part of the game but I dont see it as a particular weakness of ours.I think we are about the same as most other teams.If you get about 6/7 corners a game it will be about every 5 or 6 games you score.I should imagine every team is about there,along with us.
Also I think that it is not a skill the top teams have to excell at.For me the top teams should be able to pass their way around stubborn teams.I dont think teams like Barça and AC or them are top of their leagues because they are good at corners.There is a lot more to their game

We're definitely not as good as most teams at corners or set pieces. It's not just the 1st ball that comes in, it's what ensues if that ball is put into the danger area & the opposing team struggles to clear it. If it's a quality ball, the oppo are likely to only half clear it & then it comes in again & possibly again after that, with a penalty area full of players & the panic that causes. The rags score absolutely loads of their goals like that & without those goals, I doubt they'd be above us. They've won many games v us by exploiting it, including last season.

If the initial corner hits the 1st man, goes straight to the keeper, or sails over everyone's heads, all that potential attacking value is lost; it can amount to missing out on 3, 4, 5 efforts on goal, followed by another corner, more efforts on goal etc etc.

If Barca don't score too many from corners, it just means that Barca could be even better if they scored more from corners. I bet they've scored more than us from them though.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Its Route 1 football of the most basic kind.

It's part of the game! You don't select parts of football you don't like & decide you're not going to be any good at it because it offends your principles!

'Oh I feel conceding goals is wrong so I'll do withut a goalkeeper'.

I take your point its part of the game but I dont see it as a particular weakness of ours.I think we are about the same as most other teams.If you get about 6/7 corners a game it will be about every 5 or 6 games you score.I should imagine every team is about there,along with us.
Also I think that it is not a skill the top teams have to excell at.For me the top teams should be able to pass their way around stubborn teams.I dont think teams like Barça and AC or them are top of their leagues because they are good at corners.There is a lot more to their game

A goal is a goal however you score it. A scrappy own goal counts all the same as a 50 pass move or a 40 yard volley.
You can't discount it. United are very dangerous from set pieces as are Chelsea. You say you don't want us to score from corners because it's anti football? Get over it. It's a perfectly legitimate way of scoring a goal.
In games such as Villa when we clearly couldn't break them down with passing, it's good to be able to knock a ball into the box, bang, goal.