Having Seen The Sending Off Again

[kinkylola]

Bacon said last week that why not let the man through rather than put your team down to ten men he could have a point.The player who is through could miss or the keeper could save the shot.Also if you look how close Joe is when Doyle goes down Joe could have got to the ball before Doyle imo.

I agree, turned out to be a poor decision by Vinnie, though he was forced into a snap judgment by Hart's soft rebound in the middle of the box.

[Kladze]

Anyone knows who kompany passed the armband to? I tot it was aguero. Wonder why it wasnt barry though...

It was Barry.

[mcfc93]

Anyone knows who kompany passed the armband to? I tot it was aguero. Wonder why it wasnt barry though...

It was Barry.

Oh ok check out this http://www.i4u.com/article_gallery/0a0i1yB6cR4rR/1
It showed aguero. Haha maybe komps gave it to aguero to give to barry

[Kladze]

Anyone knows who kompany passed the armband to? I tot it was aguero. Wonder why it wasnt barry though...

It was Barry.

Oh ok check out this http://www.i4u.com/article_gallery/0a0i1yB6cR4rR/1
It showed aguero. Haha maybe komps gave it to aguero to give to barry

Didn't notice that at the time mate but it definitely ended up on Barry's arm anyhow.

[Slim]

He did, he forgot to hand the armband over to anyone and as he left the pitch he gave it to the closest player to give to Barry.

[john@staustell]

Definite sending off and red card. Only thing the ref got right.

[zuricity]

I don't know why it seems complicated to understand what slim writes about the penalty.
Firstly, it was a stupid foul to give away.
Secondly, it was a rebound off the goalkeeper so it could never ever be a "last man" situation of "one on one" and therefore not a candidate for a red card.
Thirdly, the player was fouled before he had controlled the ball, so there was no guarantee that he might actually score, which is Fergies' beef from last week and
Fourthly, the referee shows the inconsistencies of PL refs so far this season, sometimes a trip draws a penalty but no red card, sometimes a players gets taken out, a la micah last week, and the ref say the players were all cross-chockled.

Yes, a foul and penalty, but i'm not even sure it was a yellow card offense, perhaps if the ref had warned Vinnie for a previous foul, which i can't recall happened.

All in all an absolutely disgraceful performance from the referee, i can't believe he let Hunt the little cnut, kick at players the way he did ,for example and as for the arm wrestling, much worse than Vinnies stuff.

Just because city are playing football in a beautiful way, doesn't make such awful performances by the ref permissible.

This guy had our foul tally crazily high compared to Wolves, which is ridiculous.

It is to the players, manager and staff credit that we have risen above the baiting and pathetic way united, chelsea, arsenal,liverpool etc constanty gang up on refs, as in the derby.

It is to their credit to play clean, fast moving, flowing football.

It is paying big returns and Vinnies' red card is simply a blip.

Look at the way we are playing, this football lends it self to injury free performances and the only way to stop us is through taking players out like wolves tried to take out Silva ( i think that was Hunt too, not sure).

[Lee_R]

Anyway more importantly which games will Vin be missing?

[john@staustell]

Anyway more importantly which games will Vin be missing?

Only one, like Johnny Evans. QPR

Zuri - there is no 'last man' rule, that is an invention of fools like Jamie Rednapp.

The rule is 'denied a goal-scoring opportunity'. Which clearly happened.

[Slim]

It's not the foul I have a problem with, fair enough call.

It's not the red card I have a problem, it's the laws of the game say it was a red and correctly enforced.

It's the law of the game I have a problem with, I don't think a goalscoring opportunity has been denied if you are giving a penalty. It's double-dipping, if it's outside the area then by all means, red card. However inside the box where a penalty is the result, a yellow card(if that) should suffice.

[john@staustell]

It's not the foul I have a problem with, fair enough call.

It's not the red card I have a problem, it's the laws of the game say it was a red and correctly enforced.

It's the law of the game I have a problem with, I don't think a goalscoring opportunity has been denied if you are giving a penalty. It's double-dipping, if it's outside the area then by all means, red card. However inside the box where a penalty is the result, a yellow card(if that) should suffice.

Agrred. the counter argument is of course 'if the penalty is missed', then it has been got away with.

Personally I think 'penalty goal' is one solution, like rugby (no sending off). But unfortunately that is open to all sorts of referee stupidity before we get video replay.

[Avalon]

It was a sending off, clearly. About the only correct decision the ref made though.

Either way, I had mentioned this before, Vinny has been making some shocking decisions lately. I believe it was against Everton where he got away lucky and there's a few more games where he was lucky. To be fair, Vinny had this one coming. Hopefully this will not happen again.

[Slim]

It's not the foul I have a problem with, fair enough call.

It's not the red card I have a problem, it's the laws of the game say it was a red and correctly enforced.

It's the law of the game I have a problem with, I don't think a goalscoring opportunity has been denied if you are giving a penalty. It's double-dipping, if it's outside the area then by all means, red card. However inside the box where a penalty is the result, a yellow card(if that) should suffice.

Agrred. the counter argument is of course 'if the penalty is missed', then it has been got away with.

Personally I think 'penalty goal' is one solution, like rugby (no sending off). But unfortunately that is open to all sorts of referee stupidity before we get video replay.

It wasn't a GOAL that was denied, it was a goal scoring opportunity, they may have missed the shot from open play, they may miss the penalty, they aren't being denied anything.

If they could differentiate between a certain goal (eg Suarez's handball in the world cup) and a goalscoring opportunity(eg. Kompany, Evans) then they could give a red card or a yellow respectively.

[Ted Hughes]

I read (or heard) somewhere that FIFA are having a meeting soon when they will discuss whether to change this aspect of the rule, to avoid people being punished twice. They are also talking about simplifying the offside rule.

[Kladze]

I read (or heard) somewhere that FIFA are having a meeting soon when they will discuss whether to change this aspect of the rule, to avoid people being punished twice. They are also talking about simplifying the offside rule.

Fuck me ! unless they're going to scrap the offside rule completely they should leave well alone. It's taken about four seasons for everyone, including players and officials, to understand them as it is.

[Ted Hughes]

I read (or heard) somewhere that FIFA are having a meeting soon when they will discuss whether to change this aspect of the rule, to avoid people being punished twice. They are also talking about simplifying the offside rule.

Fuck me ! unless they're going to scrap the offside rule completely they should leave well alone. It's taken about four seasons for everyone, including players and officials, to understand them as it is.

My mum still hasn't got the hang of it.

[Kladze]

I read (or heard) somewhere that FIFA are having a meeting soon when they will discuss whether to change this aspect of the rule, to avoid people being punished twice. They are also talking about simplifying the offside rule.

Fuck me ! unless they're going to scrap the offside rule completely they should leave well alone. It's taken about four seasons for everyone, including players and officials, to understand them as it is.

My mum still hasn't got the hang of it.

Does she still interfere with play?

[Ted Hughes]

I read (or heard) somewhere that FIFA are having a meeting soon when they will discuss whether to change this aspect of the rule, to avoid people being punished twice. They are also talking about simplifying the offside rule.

Fuck me ! unless they're going to scrap the offside rule completely they should leave well alone. It's taken about four seasons for everyone, including players and officials, to understand them as it is.

My mum still hasn't got the hang of it.

Does she still interfere with play?

With the enjoyment of watching it if you happen to be in the same room when there's football on.

[zuricity]

Anyway more importantly which games will Vin be missing?

Only one, like Johnny Evans. QPR

Zuri - there is no 'last man' rule, that is an invention of fools like Jamie Rednapp.

The rule is 'denied a goal-scoring opportunity'. Which clearly happened.

It all happened so fast many of the cameramen couldn't position their cameras fast enough.

Boyata's foul against Arsenal last year wasn't a goal scoring opportunity , the player never had control. It was referred to
as 'Last man' by all and Sundry not just Redknapp. Which by the way, is a term commonly used for the Red card scenario in Germany and here in Switzerland.

John Terry was 'last man' getting a red card for pulling Jo down - ( Shows how thick he is , Jo prolly would have missed !).

I still argue along the lines Slim is making. No guarantee the striker would have controlled the ball at all, it was a rebound after all and no, i'm not even convinced it was a bookable offence. A foul and penalty , it certainly was.

[Ted Hughes]

Anyway more importantly which games will Vin be missing?

Only one, like Johnny Evans. QPR

Zuri - there is no 'last man' rule, that is an invention of fools like Jamie Rednapp.

The rule is 'denied a goal-scoring opportunity'. Which clearly happened.

It all happened so fast many of the cameramen couldn't position their cameras fast enough.

Boyata's foul against Arsenal last year wasn't a goal scoring opportunity , the player never had control. It was referred to
as 'Last man' by all and Sundry not just Redknapp. Which by the way, is a term commonly used for the Red card scenario in Germany and here in Switzerland.

John Terry was 'last man' getting a red card for pulling Jo down - ( Shows how thick he is , Jo prolly would have missed !).

I still argue along the lines Slim is making. No guarantee the striker would have controlled the ball at all, it was a rebound after all and no, i'm not even convinced it was a bookable offence. A foul and penalty , it certainly was.

Tbh, if Vinny's isn't a red card then non of the other red cards ever given were red cards either. It's about as blatant & clear cut as you can possibly get in any situation which requires judgement. Certainly moreso than Evans' red card last week.