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[Ted Hughes]

If Terry had one ounce of decency in his body, he would have resigned the captaincy. That would not be an admission of guilt, in fact he could play the martyr; saying how he's been forced to step down from the job he loves because he doesn't want a media circus surrounding his team during the championships.

Those of you who think it would have been ok to have the England captain answering questions about racism from around the world whilst his team mates have the Sun etc chasing them around looking for any shite they can get & in the meantime try to win a major international competition, are either fucked in the head, or Scottish.

His position was untenable & the sefish piece of shit should have stepped down. The FA have got rid of two useless shites in one go.

[zuricity]

Socrates, Country or club is irrelevant.

Right yeah. You should visit Earth sometime.

Now that is just a pathetic reply.

Grow up.

[zuricity]

If Terry had one ounce of decency in his body, he would have resigned the captaincy. That would not be an admission of guilt, in fact he could play the martyr; saying how he's been forced to step down from the job he loves because he doesn't want a media circus surrounding his team during the championships.

Those of you who think it would have been ok to have the England captain answering questions about racism from around the world whilst his team mates have the Sun etc chasing them around looking for any shite they can get & in the meantime try to win a major international competition, are either fucked in the head, or Scottish.

His position was untenable & the sefish piece of shit should have stepped down. The FA have got rid of two useless shites in one go.

Ted I agree with you about John Terry. He should actually remove himself and step down from the England team imo too. However, if he genuinely feels he has no case to answer, why should he let the media , the FA, or anyone else force his hand ?

On the 'Arry Tax thread many were convinced he would be found guilty, but he wasn't. Does it change our opinions about him ?
No, I don't think so, but he's now got a clear slate with the FA and Spurs.

As for the Sun newspaper. We all know it's crap, sensationalist reporting. Why do you assume the press will want to continuously have a go at John Terry about racism week in and week out until the Euros ? Have they been asking questions this week, or last week about it ? It seemed failry quiet on that front recently.

[Crossie]

I am not sure how leaving your team without a captain and a manager a few months ahead of a major tournament can be considered playing the cards right.

When you are currently guaranteed failure then it is worth rolling the dice.

Excellent!

[Ted Hughes]

If Terry had one ounce of decency in his body, he would have resigned the captaincy. That would not be an admission of guilt, in fact he could play the martyr; saying how he's been forced to step down from the job he loves because he doesn't want a media circus surrounding his team during the championships.

Those of you who think it would have been ok to have the England captain answering questions about racism from around the world whilst his team mates have the Sun etc chasing them around looking for any shite they can get & in the meantime try to win a major international competition, are either fucked in the head, or Scottish.

His position was untenable & the sefish piece of shit should have stepped down. The FA have got rid of two useless shites in one go.

Ted I agree with you about John Terry. He should actually remove himself and step down from the England team imo too. However, if he genuinely feels he has no case to answer, why should he let the media , the FA, or anyone else force his hand ?

On the 'Arry Tax thread many were convinced he would be found guilty, but he wasn't. Does it change our opinions about him ?
No, I don't think so, but he's now got a clear slate with the FA and Spurs.

As for the Sun newspaper. We all know it's crap, sensationalist reporting. Why do you assume the press will want to continuously have a go at John Terry about racism week in and week out until the Euros ? Have they been asking questions this week, or last week about it ? It seemed faily quiet on that front recently.

Tne Sun will stir up shit about England in any way they can, on any subject, throughout, as they're doing with Pearce now. They will have to deal with that whatever. To also have Terry getting quizzed & scrutinised by the world's press, on top of everything else, is unacceptable. He didn't stand down to help the team, so they've stood him down.

Nobody seems to be taking into account the other important factor; he is fucking shite. The extra pressure on him, as well as being slow & shite, was a recipe for disaster on the pitch. To Capello, it was a ready made excuse for the inevitable failure he was seeing in his future. He didn't give a flying fuck; it meant nothing to him other than his own rep. Good riddance.

[zuricity]

If Terry had one ounce of decency in his body, he would have resigned the captaincy. That would not be an admission of guilt, in fact he could play the martyr; saying how he's been forced to step down from the job he loves because he doesn't want a media circus surrounding his team during the championships.

Those of you who think it would have been ok to have the England captain answering questions about racism from around the world whilst his team mates have the Sun etc chasing them around looking for any shite they can get & in the meantime try to win a major international competition, are either fucked in the head, or Scottish.

His position was untenable & the sefish piece of shit should have stepped down. The FA have got rid of two useless shites in one go.

Ted I agree with you about John Terry. He should actually remove himself and step down from the England team imo too. However, if he genuinely feels he has no case to answer, why should he let the media , the FA, or anyone else force his hand ?

On the 'Arry Tax thread many were convinced he would be found guilty, but he wasn't. Does it change our opinions about him ?
No, I don't think so, but he's now got a clear slate with the FA and Spurs.

As for the Sun newspaper. We all know it's crap, sensationalist reporting. Why do you assume the press will want to continuously have a go at John Terry about racism week in and week out until the Euros ? Have they been asking questions this week, or last week about it ? It seemed fairly quiet on that front recently.

Tne Sun will stir up shit about England in any way they can, on any subject, throughout, as they're doing with Pearce now. They will have to deal with that whatever. To also have Terry getting quizzed & scrutinised by the world's press, on top of everything else, is unacceptable. He didn't stand down to help the team, so they've stood him down.

Nobody seems to be taking into account the other important factor; he is fucking shite. The extra pressure on him, as well as being slow & shite, was a recipe for disaster on the pitch. To Capello, it was a ready made excuse for the inevitable failure he was seeing in his future. He didn't give a flying fuck; it meant nothing to him other than his own rep. Good riddance.

Yes it seems the press are already having a go at Pearce for something that happened almost two decades ago. They could have gone for him at anytime over the last 18 years but they didn't until now !

I quite agree that Terry is crap, old and past his sell by date. However that never seems to stop the FA and the England team from doing what is wrong does it ? I mean England had to have Beckham on the sidelines at the World Cup fkwf ! Fear of not being in the press everyday ?

The England managers job is a no win situation, the squad is never the players that are really in form at the time events come around.

[Ted Hughes]

Beckham will be at the Euros. He'll get his face on the camera somehow, either as a member of the coaching staff or in some bogus job they haven't yet invented.

[aaron bond]

The England managers job is a no win situation, the squad is never the players that are really in form at the time events come around.

That's the crux of it for me.

The squad is pre-determined, regardless of manager. Between the media and whoever the manager happens to be, the squad is already chosen.

Richards is a prime example. He has undoubtedly been the best full-back in the Premiership for the last 18 months, possibly even in Europe, yet he's 5th choice right back at present behind Johnson, Jones, Smalling and Walker. He's not flavour of the month/year in media terms so he's not chosen.

Going back to an original point earlier in the thread, the England job can easily be a part-time job. They don't really have to do anything except pick a 'popular' squad and show up in the dugout on matchdays.

[john68]

I would not besuprised if @Arry turned the job down.

He has a nice cushy number at Spurs.well paid, the club love him, the fans worship him and the media fall over themselves to patronisehim and big him up.

There is not an England manager in the 30 years that hasn't had his reputation destroyed by themedia. Every action and partof his life micro scrutinised.

Pearce has been the ultimate English football patriot...as a player and a coach, he has given everything to the cause. Now the media are destroying him.

[Spurge]

I think that he's played a tricky hand of cards quite well.

But, what's the story about when he resigned as City chairman. Always thought it was about Keegan's signing of Fowler. Was there anything more to it?

Nah Lev, completely disagree. Bernstein and the FA have screwed up badly on this one, he should not have let Capello resign.
Capello was right to not have the adminstrators decide who should be captain. Capello comes out of the England job smelling of roses. He can and will walk into another managers job with ease , his record as a club manager is brilliant. He certainly knows more about Football than Bernstein or any of the croanies at the FA that's for sure.

Just because Bernstein was at City we shouldn't let that influence our analysis of what he is doing now at the FA and right now
the FA stinks badly. David Bernstein needs to get the FA sorted out. There is absolutely no transparency in what they do. This must be changed.

I agree with this, I don't think Bernstein has handled it well, he has to change the mind set of the FA in order not to become just another figure of ridicule within this out of touch and often clueless organisation.

In part Capello made his position very difficult by what he said in the Italian media, however he may well have been so frustrated and undermineded by the FA at this stage that he was prepared to take the consequences.

The problem was the ludicrous decision by the FA to strip Terry of the captaincy. Another half hearted and cowardly decision by the FA which Bernstein said had been made with some long standing and respected men and ex pro's. Either stop him from playing for England until it's sorted or leave the situation well alone until the case is heard in a court of law. And thats whats key here leave it to the legal system to sort.

Thats the other thing here, why the court case has been delayed until after the euro championship is ridiculous. The evidence is there, the witnesses have given statements so best to get it sorted and finished with. Once again it's football getting in the way of the legal system and this whole process gets dragged out and the controvesy continues.

As for Capello it's clear that the FA wanted him out, one minute the FA identify him as the man to take England to the next level, they pay him £6m a year and then wonder why we haven't won a major tournament. The simple fact is that the players are not good enough. Capello got us to the finals of the World Cup (and now the euros) but couldn't get us over the finishing line. His win ratio is one of the best with the national team, but he leaves as another in a long line who were 'not good enough'. David Davies tells the BBC Capello was in breach of contract the day after his comment to the Italian media, Gordon Taylor says Capello knows where the door is if he doesn't like the FA's decision the following day and so the which hunt gains momentum and this from the same people who were convinced he was the right man for the job.

The FA needs to take a long hard look at themselves, afterall their 'blueprint for success', the plan to take England's finest and develop them into world beaters following Italia 90, was to create the premier league. Yes the same premier league that opened it's doors to an influx of the best 'foriegn' players to flood in and earn top money, squeezing out the opportunity for young english players to develop and make the grade.

It's imperative that Bernstein changes the direction within the FA or this out of touch archaIc orrganisation will continue to appoint (and dismiss) England managers on an astronomical wage and then pay them off to keep quiet about their time in the job when they walk away. Surely Capellos terms of his severance pay (he resigned didn't ?) to keep quiet is a huge admission of guilt from these dinasours!

[Dunnylad]

Somebody tell me where it says what pay out Capello got? I've only heard the FA deny its £1.5m

In terms of JT I think the FA were right, even if he is innocent there's enough of a stain for either him to resign as captain or Capello to suspend the captaincy until it's over - you can thank Chelsea for causing this position (maybe they want Capello as next manager ;) ) - it is however clear that JT would not resign & Capello wouldn't take captaincy off him, therefore, FA had to act

[Spurge]

Somebody tell me where it says what pay out Capello got? I've only heard the FA deny its £1.5m

In terms of JT I think the FA were right, even if he is innocent there's enough of a stain for either him to resign as captain or Capello to suspend the captaincy until it's over - you can thank Chelsea for causing this position (maybe they want Capello as next manager ;) ) - it is however clear that JT would not resign & Capello wouldn't take captaincy off him, therefore, FA had to act

The FA might deny it was£1.5m but hey don't deny he was paid off. Interesting considering Capello 'resigned'as on that basis he wasn't necessarily entitled to anything at all, so why pay him anything? Cowards the lot of them.

[feedthegreek]

spurge is spot on great post mate, team morale is whats needed so they all tell us well lets have a look terry in the same camp as wio
ashley cole maybe lampard, also rooney recipe for disaster. chelsea v scum all over again.
cos unless i missed summat terry aint banned from playing.

[zuricity]

Somebody tell me where it says what pay out Capello got? I've only heard the FA deny its £1.5m

In terms of JT I think the FA were right, even if he is innocent there's enough of a stain for either him to resign as captain or Capello to suspend the captaincy until it's over - you can thank Chelsea for causing this position (maybe they want Capello as next manager ;) ) - it is however clear that JT would not resign & Capello wouldn't take captaincy off him, therefore, FA had to act

The FA might deny it was£1.5m but hey don't deny he was paid off. Interesting considering Capello 'resigned'as on that basis he wasn't necessarily entitled to anything at all, so why pay him anything? Cowards the lot of them.

Good points spurge. I try to not go too detailed these days, but you certainly gave a good , fair and precise view of some of the issues at hand for the FA.

I don't understand why David Bernstein took on the job , really i don't. Everyone knows that the FA are crap and most certainly the wrong people. David Davies, no longer involved, but feels the need to pass an opinion on Capello. How many teams has the ex Look North, local reporter and presenter taken to finals of the CL or top of La Liga / Italian league ?

I would rather England remove all the cronies in the team, lampard, terry, rooney ( has managed to remove himself, the prat), wio, cole and go with the youngsters . Let them get the experience.

[Lev Bronstein]

IMHO once the case had been postponed to July, the FA had to strip Terry of the captaincy. Until the case was resolved JT would be the issue - just imagine the press conferences. The rest of the squad would be expected to stand behind their captain, how many would find that uncomfortable? I suspect he isn't that popular, remember his "revolt" in South Africa? I'm sure he expected other players to back him up - they didn't.

If, during an England game in Eastern Europe, black english players get racist abuse from the crowd, any protest from the England camp would be dismissed as hypocritical. I'm sure I would. By their action the FA can argue that they mean business.

In any squad the manager must be able to pick his team and captain on the basis of football ability without interference from on high. But, we all should be answerable to somebody. As soon as off-field issues arise that go above and beyond pure football matters, the high ups have duty to intervene. That's why the FA have the right to do what they did. The world of football can be a narrow and obcessive place and the people within the game need the occasional reminder that they are part of a wider society. Somebody has to watch over them.

Now, on to football. It's been said that it wouldn't matter who the England manager was, the team would always fail because the players are crap. I'm not so sure. Under Cappello England have qualified for two tournaments quite easily. So I wouldn't see him as a failure in the MacLaren mold. However, England's performance in South Africa had a weary familiarity about it: uninspiring and incompetent.

Maybe the players aren't as good as the media tell them or as good as they think they are? But surely, they are better than the performances they produced in South Africa. I mean finishing second to a decent but limited USA - deary me.

Does anyone think that the football resources of this country are less than Uruguay, Grecce, the USA or Ghana? There has to be a better reason for perpetual disappointment than "the players are rubbish".

[Ted Hughes]

IMHO once the case had been postponed to July, the FA had to strip Terry of the captaincy. Until the case was resolved JT would be the issue - just imagine the press conferences. The rest of the squad would be expected to stand behind their captain, how many would find that uncomfortable? I suspect he isn't that popular, remember his "revolt" in South Africa? I'm sure he expected other players to back him up - they didn't.

If, during an England game in Eastern Europe, black english players get racist abuse from the crowd, any protest from the England camp would be dismissed as hypocritical. I'm sure I would. By their action the FA can argue that they mean business.

In any squad the manager must be able to pick his team and captain on the basis of football ability without interference from on high. But, we all should be answerable to somebody. As soon as off-field issues arise that go above and beyond pure football matters, the high ups have duty to intervene. That's why the FA have the right to do what they did. The world of football can be a narrow and obcessive place and the people within the game need the occasional reminder that they are part of a wider society. Somebody has to watch over them.

Now, on to football. It's been said that it wouldn't matter who the England manager was, the team would always fail because the players are crap. I'm not so sure. Under Cappello England have qualified for two tournaments quite easily. So I wouldn't see him as a failure in the MacLaren mold. However, England's performance in South Africa had a weary familiarity about it: uninspiring and incompetent.

Maybe the players aren't as good as the media tell them or as good as they think they are? But surely, they are better than the performances they produced in South Africa. I mean finishing second to a decent but limited USA - deary me.

Does anyone think that the football resources of this country are less than Uruguay, Grecce, the USA or Ghana? There has to be a better reason for perpetual disappointment than "the players are rubbish".

You are 100% correct. I don't understand why people can't see that having Terry as England captain wasn't an option. I also don't understand how sacking the England captain & then having it out with the manager is seen by some as weakness. It's the ballsiest thing I've ever known the FA to do in all the years I've been watching football. The easy thing would have been to do nothing & watch it all come on top during the Championships, then blame Capello & put Harry in the job.

You've hit the nail on the head about Capello's uninspiring management too. He brought pretty much nothing to the table, for £6mil a year.

[Hazy2]

The media are only 12 weeks early in the rip the shit out of the national team, TBH England could be on in my back gardeb but as I hate Cole wio Scoute cunt and Terry I would not open the curtains.