Mancini

[Vantage]

I think Mancini has over rotated he should have played his best team every time, yes there have been injuries and yes there is pressure but the difference (I think) between winning the Italian League and winning the premier league is in Italy you can win the league on aggregate in the Premier League as long as you are in touch at Christmas you're in with a shout if you can finish strongly.

We are running out of puff and the CL/Tevez debacle, trying to compete in the Europa League and losing Yaya have all compounded the problem. Mancini needs to go on the ultra offensive and it's not his style. Mario can sit on the pitch for 80 minutes a match as long as he finds the back of the net twice a match, yes Mancini seems to bee slow to react but he is understandably cautious too. I think he has worn out David Silva by overplaying him and at times we try and pass the opposition to death we need to be more direct. I'd like him to give Silva a rest and play Yaya behind Mario and Dzeko with Milner, Barry the crab and Nige in the middle.

It's not over and stick with Mancini and think long term.

2nd in the Premier League? Once upon a time we were a third division club staring into the abyss...

[Edd209]

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Utter shite. So we sack Mancini for finishing second? At the start of the season I would have took second and a decent run in the champs league. We were a touch unlucky with the draw but we played like shit in the big away games in Europe.
But this season was too early for us to win something major in my opinion. I think he needs to fuck Dzeco and Balotelli off and build the attack around Aguero. Pizzaro must be signed along with a couple of decent forwards. The boy at Lille and maybe RVP? But let's just calm down a bit and give him another season. If by Xmas he has not made us a solid team away from home and got us into the knock out stages in Europe then I would then get shut of him. But for me he needs our backing.

[Ted Hughes]

Next season is the time to judge Mancini, not this one.

He has made plenty of mistakes imo but so has Ferguson. They do.

I want to see him address the failings of the squad (some of which are his fault) by correcting one or two signings & a further improvement on the obvious weaknesses in our away form & the fact wecan be stopped by certain tactics.

If he improves those things, he can continue even if we don't win the league next season imo. I want to see evidence that he understands the things which need fixing though. I also want to see a strong finish to this season, title or not.

If we do a Spurs & fall apart now, he should be sacked. A strong finish, with our heads held high, is imperitive.

[DoomMerchant]

If we do a Spurs & fall apart now

Now? as opposed to falling apart say, i dunno, 3 months ago?

i get your perspective..but Mancini fucked it up. Tossed aside Europe, as he did with Inter, and he's not the one. He just isn't.

i'm 100% convinced he will never win us the league. and he will never succeed in europe.

Next.

[carl_feedthegoat]

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[DoomMerchant]

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technically, it's only 11.58. Nice one though.

cheers

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

He will and should lead us next season.

However, we have been on the slide since Sunderland away at new year and he needs to find out why and stop it happening again.

I can only think that the players are over trained and are knackered.

I'm alarmed about our form, and alarmed that he can't see it (maybe he can), he should lead us next year but needs to learn from this season.

This. 100%.

I'm as fucking pissed off about yesterday and our form as anybody. We need to take action and learn from this season. BUT we have kept improving in league and as a team.

Mancini needs to learn from his mistakes and I think he will. And I do think he sees the mistakes his made since he has been trying lot of different formations and lot of different player combos recently.

Missing Kompany so much for various of different reasons this seasons has hurt us too. I don't think people fully appreciate just how important he is to us.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I think Mancini has over rotated he should have played his best team every time.

Stopped reading right there. Goes to show you don't understand it at all.

[Blue Since 76]

Stopped reading right there. Goes to show you don't understand it at all.

Ranieri rotated constantly - finished second

Benitez rotated constantly - finished second

Mancini rotated constantly - finished ?

When there's three games in a 7 or 8 day period, I agree you need to keep I fresh, but he's rested players at times when we haven't had another game for a week. Our game revolves around having attacking full backs, yet he's rotated them regardless of fitness or form.

We were five points clear and we're now two behind and could be five if the rags win the game in hand. That's ten points lost since Xmas. Mancini has lost his way Sven style and doesn't appear to have a clue how to get it back.

[King Kev]

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/mario-balotelli-car-park-video-was-secret-test-from-manchester-ci

One of the better April Fools I have seen so far.

[dazby]

Over rotated? Are you kidding? The problem is he hasn't rotated enough.

The big issue for me about Mancio at the moment is that he's being just as petulant as the players and fans. We have struggled for a bit now and Mancini has publicly handled it poorly.

When things were going well he was cool as a cucumber. When things have not gone as well he's been erratic.

Look at Steve Kean. When Blackburn were struggling he remained positive and cool as cucumber despite intense pressure. Has Mancio been as cool? No.

When Balo scored to make it 2-3 there was a shot of Mancini on the bench. HE HAD GIVEN UP THE GAME AND TREATED THE GOAL AS A CONSOLATION. He should have been rousing the troops and encouraging them.

He's not handled the run in well and needs to be more positive. The end of this season is going to show whether he's up to it or not.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Mancini's biggest failing for me is not dropping Silva, no I don't mean rest him, I mean drop him for being shit for the last couple of months.

Silva is now a passenger, which is incredible considering what he has produced for us since he signed, we cannot afford passengers. He has to be dropped.

[King Kev]

Mancini's biggest failing for me is not dropping Silva, no I don't mean rest him, I mean drop him for being shit for the last couple of months.

Silva is now a passenger, which is incredible considering what he has produced for us since he signed, we cannot afford passengers. He has to be dropped.

Do you think Silva has been our worst player in recent months?

Personally I can think of quite a few players that I would drop before Silva.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Mancini's biggest failing for me is not dropping Silva, no I don't mean rest him, I mean drop him for being shit for the last couple of months.

Silva is now a passenger, which is incredible considering what he has produced for us since he signed, we cannot afford passengers. He has to be dropped.

Do you think Silva has been our worst player in recent months?

Personally I can think of quite a few players that I would drop before Silva.

He's been consistently shit for a while now. I appreciate Silva can still produce when he's not at 100%, but he hasn't. How long do you persist with him hoping it comes right?

He is our goal provider and is not doing his job, he's hiding instead.

[King Kev]

Mancini's biggest failing for me is not dropping Silva, no I don't mean rest him, I mean drop him for being shit for the last couple of months.

Silva is now a passenger, which is incredible considering what he has produced for us since he signed, we cannot afford passengers. He has to be dropped.

Do you think Silva has been our worst player in recent months?

Personally I can think of quite a few players that I would drop before Silva.

He's been consistently shit for a while now. I appreciate Silva can still produce when he's not at 100%, but he hasn't. How long do you persist with him hoping it comes right?

He is our goal provider and is not doing his job, he's hiding instead.

Do you think Silva has been our worst player in recent months?

[Beefymcfc]

I didn't think Silva should've come off yesterday.

[Ted Hughes]

If we'd had more creative options than just Silva & Nasri, I think we would have won most of the games against lower placed teams but even with what we have got, he hasn't rotated Silva enough imo. He's fucked.

On the plus side, our more recent comebacks have involved u switching to playing the kind of mentalcase kitchen sink football which some of us have been imploring Bob to do since he first arrived. This is something Bob either couldn't or wouldn't do in the past, so even amongst all the dropped points, there has been a big & crucially important improvement in one area.

On the quiet, we have become a team who can fight back & rescue impossible situations. We have done more of it than the rags. All we need is to learn to do it in some away games & we have cracked it.

Add that to a few changes in the attack & we have a team for next season which is much stronger than this one.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Mancini's biggest failing for me is not dropping Silva, no I don't mean rest him, I mean drop him for being shit for the last couple of months.

Silva is now a passenger, which is incredible considering what he has produced for us since he signed, we cannot afford passengers. He has to be dropped.

Do you think Silva has been our worst player in recent months?

Personally I can think of quite a few players that I would drop before Silva.

He's been consistently shit for a while now. I appreciate Silva can still produce when he's not at 100%, but he hasn't. How long do you persist with him hoping it comes right?

He is our goal provider and is not doing his job, he's hiding instead.

Do you think Silva has been our worst player in recent months?

Yes, others have had worse individual performances over 90 minutes but Silva has been consistently shit for a while now. When was his last good game?

[Blue Since 76]

If we'd had more creative options than just Silva & Nasri, I think we would have won most of the games against lower placed teams but even with what we have got, he hasn't rotated Silva enough imo. He's fucked.

On the plus side, our more recent comebacks have involved u switching to playing the kind of mentalcase kitchen sink football which some of us have been imploring Bob to do since he first arrived. This is something Bob either couldn't or wouldn't do in the past, so even amongst all the dropped points, there has been a big & crucially important improvement in one area.

On the quiet, we have become a team who can fight back & rescue impossible situations. We have done more of it than the rags. All we need is to learn to do it in some away games & we have cracked it.

Add that to a few changes in the attack & we have a team for next season which is much stronger than this one.

What it's shown recently, as you say, is that if we attack teams, we revert back to that type of team we had at the start of the season where teams couldn't cope. So why the fuck do we have to play such dreadful football for the first hour and give teams a lead? Was it becoming too easy, so we thought we'd try a bit of a challenge?

I want possession football and don't want us to turn into Stoke just launching the ball into the box. But there's possession like Arsenal do, where it looks great and achieves nothing. And Barca style possession where they are constantly trying to go forwards. We have turned into Arsenal and just tap the ball around the outside of the box. Earlier in the season, silva would have then played it into the forwards in the box or Richards would have gone flying past on an overlap or Yaya would have picked it up and ran like Forrest Gump. Now we just keep passing.

How about playing the attacking football early on, getting into a nice lead and then being able to rest for the rest of the game by playing keep ball? Won't happen as he's too negative

[Ted Hughes]

If we'd had more creative options than just Silva & Nasri, I think we would have won most of the games against lower placed teams but even with what we have got, he hasn't rotated Silva enough imo. He's fucked.

On the plus side, our more recent comebacks have involved u switching to playing the kind of mentalcase kitchen sink football which some of us have been imploring Bob to do since he first arrived. This is something Bob either couldn't or wouldn't do in the past, so even amongst all the dropped points, there has been a big & crucially important improvement in one area.

On the quiet, we have become a team who can fight back & rescue impossible situations. We have done more of it than the rags. All we need is to learn to do it in some away games & we have cracked it.

Add that to a few changes in the attack & we have a team for next season which is much stronger than this one.

What it's shown recently, as you say, is that if we attack teams, we revert back to that type of team we had at the start of the season where teams couldn't cope. So why the fuck do we have to play such dreadful football for the first hour and give teams a lead? Was it becoming too easy, so we thought we'd try a bit of a challenge?

I want possession football and don't want us to turn into Stoke just launching the ball into the box. But there's possession like Arsenal do, where it looks great and achieves nothing. And Barca style possession where they are constantly trying to go forwards. We have turned into Arsenal and just tap the ball around the outside of the box. Earlier in the season, silva would have then played it into the forwards in the box or Richards would have gone flying past on an overlap or Yaya would have picked it up and ran like Forrest Gump. Now we just keep passing.

How about playing the attacking football early on, getting into a nice lead and then being able to rest for the rest of the game by playing keep ball? Won't happen as he's too negative

It requires too much effort to do it for 90 mins, you have to pick your moment.

It's not really the same kind of football we played at the start of the season though tbf, although it's the same pace, well even quicker at times, sometimes direct, it's just fantastic all out attack. The earlier stuff was often relying on Silva (or Nasri) to see runners & produce magic which opened teams up. Silva can't see anything at the moment & is utter shite, but when he goes off, we are finding a way of creating chances from sheer weight of attacking numbers (plus Tevez of course) & defenders are finding it impossible to keep out. We couldn't do anything without Silva for the 1st half of the season. This is a big plus.

If we could add say Hazard or similar, and a back to form Silva to this, we would be incredible.