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Re: why us and not utd

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:42 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
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Ted Hughes wrote:Utd didn't play any of them at full strength bar Chelsea & Chelsea ran absolute riot through them both times. Arsenal were a bunch of struggling nervous wrecks at the times rags played them.

Spurs are Bale + 10 others, he didn't play in either game. Arsenal had the tea ladies playing 1st game & two shite slow centre backs playing in both fullback positions for the second. Utd's strength is out wide. They still only won because Wenger took off Chamberlain.

The ref bailed them out v Chelsea, Torres missed an open net in the 1st game after rounding the keeper.

They have been very very lucky.

Torres did miss an open goal but they were still 2 goals down at that point. How do you know what would of happened had they taken Chamberlain off? That's just a complete guess and you say it as it it's a fact. We've bottled it in too many games.


So only Utd do comebacks.

Utd scored directly from the space left by Chamberlain immediately after he was taken off. It was the decisive moment in the match.

I notice you left out the stuff about Arsenal's depleated team. Are you a Utd supporter ? You seem to deliberately slant your posts in their favour rather than discuss all the points raised objectively.

No I'm not. But people on here write outrageously stupid things about them. Heck if you believed what some on here said their squad would be the same standard as Wigan's.

It's because you always make excuses. Always blame other factors. We've not been good enough and that's our own fault. United can't affect our own performances which simply haven't been good enough, ever since New Years really.

And the space Chamberlain left? Do me a favour. Clutching at straws to say the least.


That is a really really thick headed post.

What I described about Utd's goal is exaclty what happened, the commentators called it, the panel called it, the crowd called it & everyone in football knows it was the case; he was pushing them back down that flank & covering when they attacked, immediately when he went off, they went exactly down that space & scored . Everyone saw it, apart from you & including Gary Neville, who is hardly the most anti Utd pundit in the world.

What you are posting is not a reasoned reply to that. The phrase 'cutching at straws' in reply to my description of what actually happened, is the kind of thing you would normally only get from a rag & a very biased one at that.

I don't kbnow if you are genuinely a City fan but it's pretty clear you have a big love of Utd & argue their case like an upset fan defending every ounce of their honour rather than an objective neutral.
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Re: why us and not utd

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:44 pm

IanWright wrote:I also think, whether he leaves or not or whether he's distanced/endeared himself to the City faithful, that the media coverage given to Balotelli's raised studs on Song's knee is even more shocking than the challenge itself. Retrospective action? Repeated replays on SSN? Opinions from many a 'pundit' on Balotelli's future? It's disgusting. It's exactly that type of behaviour by the media that hounded Alpay out of Aston Villa.

Nothing about Ashley Young's dive yesterday. Will he be made to look stupid and given a yellow card for diving the next time he IS actually fouled, a la Suarez? I think not.

It's the same as last time mate when he nearly stood on Super Scotty Parkerrrrrrrrrrrrr. It does get beyond ridiculous from Sky yet it's only to be expected. During the Derby there was an incident where Evra purposely elbowed Evra off the ball and Micah stayed down yet there was no replay, trial by 'Slow-mo' or even any mention of it afterwards. I think this year as been an eye-opener for many as over the years we've known that certain clubs get preferential treatment but it only really hits hard when you are fighting for the title. All the little things that you always knew were wrong but shrugged it off because it was the norm and didn't really harm that mid-table status.

The biggest thing for me recently has been the treatment of United, and other clubs, by the ref's. The Fulham penalty decision a couple of weeks ago confirmed to me that we weren't actually in this title race, we're just a club being used by Sky et al to show off Ferguson's (sorry, United's) 20th title in his 25th year at the Swamp in the 20th year of the Premier League. Yesterdays penalty and sending off confirmed all I need to know about what the Premier League is all about and in my eyes it's not about the football.

But what am I telling you for, you have far more experience of this than us.
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Re: why us and not utd

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:21 pm

IanWright wrote:As a Gooner, I feel I have to echo the views of the opening post. We were shocking, we were dismal against Man Utd at Old Trafford. In our, ever so slight, defence, we were playing the likes of Coquelin, Jenkinson and Traore. We made the likes of Wellbeck and Young look world-class in the short space of two hours. The home game against the c***s- we lost 1-2. Put in a little bit more of an effort, but not nearly enough, in my opinion.

Compare and contrast this in our three games against you this season. Two 1-0 defeats, both closely fought and hotly contested. Then yesterday's 1-0 win- our biggest, and most surprising, win against a top side since we beat Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in October.

The harrowing fact that ManUre could amass a staggering 97 points in a season where they've been humbled by mid-table European sides, thrashed at home by their local rivals and re-investing in "retired" players is a pretty bitter pill to swallow. It just goes to show either that the competition isn't fierce enough, or that the desired effort isn't being put in. It has an incredibly stark similarity to Liverpool's run-in in 2009 in which they did almost everything, only to lose out to Manchester United yet again.

Wigan next up for the unmentionables. A side who haven't picked up a single point against them in nigh on 6 seasons. Writing on the wall?


Arsenal are imo the best team we have played this season & gave us a good game at our place at a point when we were playing pretty well.

The way they go to shit & just hit huge losing streaks does my head in though. Sorry to say, I can see it happening again just when you think it's all going to plan next season.

Both Arsenal's games v the rags were going to be a struggle with the forced team selections wheras Harry actually chose to play weakened sides against them for Spurs. We had 4 games there against teams at their best & won 3 of them.

Re Balotelli, I agree with what you say & how he is being hounded is a disgrace. He actually gets criticised in the space of five mins for doing something & then criticised for not doing the same thing, ie tracking back.

He does actually seem to have some kind of a genuine mental problem to me though & I'm not sure he can do anything about it even if he wants to, which he probably does. I don't agree that he wasn't trying yesterday, I just think that when he tries, he just gets more wound up & then reacts to things going wrong in a strange & negative way rather than a positive way.

Then he chucks his toys out.

I don't think there was any malice in his 2nd booking though, he was just doing his best in his way to get to the ball 1st & missed.
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Re: why us and not utd

Postby Offerton blue » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:46 pm

RodneyRodney wrote:United are a bunch of f* cheats. Simple as that.


To fuckin right thay are
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Re: why us and not utd

Postby DoomMerchant » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:50 pm

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
stevefromdonny wrote:all the top teams, arsenal spurs, chelsea, liverpool have all fucked up against utd this year, all have not won against them this year in the prem, chelsea 3-0 up and get away with a draw, spuds arsenal get fucked home and away and liverpool cave in at ot, but when they play us its differant, they have a go against us, arsenal and chelsea both win at home liverpool haves ago at us at home and even spuds have ago at city, just why dont they have a go at utd as they do at us,


Because we set up like cowards and invite them to.


Arjan and this guy below have it right, as do you Piccs.

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Re: why us and not utd

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:08 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:Utd didn't play any of them at full strength bar Chelsea & Chelsea ran absolute riot through them both times. Arsenal were a bunch of struggling nervous wrecks at the times rags played them.

Spurs are Bale + 10 others, he didn't play in either game. Arsenal had the tea ladies playing 1st game & two shite slow centre backs playing in both fullback positions for the second. Utd's strength is out wide. They still only won because Wenger took off Chamberlain.

The ref bailed them out v Chelsea, Torres missed an open net in the 1st game after rounding the keeper.

They have been very very lucky.

Torres did miss an open goal but they were still 2 goals down at that point. How do you know what would of happened had they taken Chamberlain off? That's just a complete guess and you say it as it it's a fact. We've bottled it in too many games.


So only Utd do comebacks.

Utd scored directly from the space left by Chamberlain immediately after he was taken off. It was the decisive moment in the match.

I notice you left out the stuff about Arsenal's depleated team. Are you a Utd supporter ? You seem to deliberately slant your posts in their favour rather than discuss all the points raised objectively.

No I'm not. But people on here write outrageously stupid things about them. Heck if you believed what some on here said their squad would be the same standard as Wigan's.

It's because you always make excuses. Always blame other factors. We've not been good enough and that's our own fault. United can't affect our own performances which simply haven't been good enough, ever since New Years really.

And the space Chamberlain left? Do me a favour. Clutching at straws to say the least.


That is a really really thick headed post.

What I described about Utd's goal is exaclty what happened, the commentators called it, the panel called it, the crowd called it & everyone in football knows it was the case; he was pushing them back down that flank & covering when they attacked, immediately when he went off, they went exactly down that space & scored . Everyone saw it, apart from you & including Gary Neville, who is hardly the most anti Utd pundit in the world.

What you are posting is not a reasoned reply to that. The phrase 'cutching at straws' in reply to my description of what actually happened, is the kind of thing you would normally only get from a rag & a very biased one at that.

I don't kbnow if you are genuinely a City fan but it's pretty clear you have a big love of Utd & argue their case like an upset fan defending every ounce of their honour rather than an objective neutral.


You can't say what would or wouldn't have happened, it's pure guesswork. Maybe Arsenal would of won if he's stayed on but that was Wenger's decision to take him off.
What the fuck are you suggesting? That Wenger took him off because he wanted to lose?
With Torres's miss, whose to say Chelsea would of got anything from the game? Plenty of players miss good chances in every game.
But you just make excuse after excuse. I don't have a big love of United but I'm able to make a judgement objectively rather than
through blue tinted specs all the time.
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Re: why us and not utd

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:12 pm

Then why have you ignored all the other points & just picked out those two ?
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Re: why us and not utd

Postby bluebananamilksheikh » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:35 pm

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
stevefromdonny wrote:all the top teams, arsenal spurs, chelsea, liverpool have all fucked up against utd this year, all have not won against them this year in the prem, chelsea 3-0 up and get away with a draw, spuds arsenal get fucked home and away and liverpool cave in at ot, but when they play us its differant, they have a go against us, arsenal and chelsea both win at home liverpool haves ago at us at home and even spuds have ago at city, just why dont they have a go at utd as they do at us,


Because we set up like cowards and invite them to.

Agree with piccs to a point, we start away games especially to much on the back foot. we play our way into the game and in doing so
allow the opposition to settle and grow in confidence.
The Rags tend start the game at a pace and put the opposition on the back foot from the start.
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Re: why us and not utd

Postby bluebananamilksheikh » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:37 pm

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
stevefromdonny wrote:all the top teams, arsenal spurs, chelsea, liverpool have all fucked up against utd this year, all have not won against them this year in the prem, chelsea 3-0 up and get away with a draw, spuds arsenal get fucked home and away and liverpool cave in at ot, but when they play us its differant, they have a go against us, arsenal and chelsea both win at home liverpool haves ago at us at home and even spuds have ago at city, just why dont they have a go at utd as they do at us,


Because we set up like cowards and invite them to.

Agree with piccs to a point, we start away games especially to much on the back foot. we play our way into the game and in doing so
allow the opposition to settle and grow in confidence.
The Rags tend start the game at a pace and put the opposition on the back foot from the start.
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Re: why us and not utd

Postby Rag_hater » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:37 pm

stevefromdonny wrote:all the top teams, arsenal spurs, chelsea, liverpool have all fucked up against utd this year, all have not won against them this year in the prem, chelsea 3-0 up and get away with a draw, spuds arsenal get fucked home and away and liverpool cave in at ot, but when they play us its differant, they have a go against us, arsenal and chelsea both win at home liverpool haves ago at us at home and even spuds have ago at city, just why dont they have a go at utd as they do at us,



Whinger and the rest love Whiskeynose so much they put shit teams out with bad instructions to guarantee the rags won.
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Re: why us and not utd

Postby Original Dub » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:53 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
You can't say what would or wouldn't have happened, it's pure guesswork. Maybe Arsenal would of won if he's stayed on but that was Wenger's decision to take him off.
What the fuck are you suggesting? That Wenger took him off because he wanted to lose?
With Torres's miss, whose to say Chelsea would of got anything from the game? Plenty of players miss good chances in every game.
But you just make excuse after excuse. I don't have a big love of United but I'm able to make a judgement objectively rather than
through blue tinted specs all the time.


You look at things through red tinted specs. That's been pointed out to you many many times.

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Re: why us and not utd

Postby london blue 2 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:17 pm

Esky wrote:
Brad wrote:well and truely gave them the title.


Yes, how dare family members shake hands after a football match.

Haha what did you expect to see from two brothers after a match?
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Re: why us and not utd

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:17 pm

Original Dub wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
You can't say what would or wouldn't have happened, it's pure guesswork. Maybe Arsenal would of won if he's stayed on but that was Wenger's decision to take him off.
What the fuck are you suggesting? That Wenger took him off because he wanted to lose?
With Torres's miss, whose to say Chelsea would of got anything from the game? Plenty of players miss good chances in every game.
But you just make excuse after excuse. I don't have a big love of United but I'm able to make a judgement objectively rather than
through blue tinted specs all the time.


You look at things through red tinted specs. That's been pointed out to you many many times.

No smoke without fire.

I don't actually, not at all. I look at things as objectively as I can. I agree with Ted a lot of the time and I certainly think United have benefited from referees but the reason we are where we are is from our own poor performances. I remember you having a go at me when I said I thought that we wouldn't run away with the league and that I wouldn't get overly excited because it could all come crashing down in an instant. It did.
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Re: why us and not utd

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:29 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
You can't say what would or wouldn't have happened, it's pure guesswork. Maybe Arsenal would of won if he's stayed on but that was Wenger's decision to take him off.
What the fuck are you suggesting? That Wenger took him off because he wanted to lose?
With Torres's miss, whose to say Chelsea would of got anything from the game? Plenty of players miss good chances in every game.
But you just make excuse after excuse. I don't have a big love of United but I'm able to make a judgement objectively rather than
through blue tinted specs all the time.


You look at things through red tinted specs. That's been pointed out to you many many times.

No smoke without fire.

I don't actually, not at all. I look at things as objectively as I can. I agree with Ted a lot of the time and I certainly think United have benefited from referees but the reason we are where we are is from our own poor performances. I remember you having a go at me when I said I thought that we wouldn't run away with the league and that I wouldn't get overly excited because it could all come crashing down in an instant. It did.


But if Utd have benefitted from refs & we are poor, how come they took this long to get away from us if they are so good ?

You have had an Arsenal fan on here telling us how much more effort they put in v City than Utd btw. Still think I'm making it up ?
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Re: why us and not utd

Postby Gentlesnipes » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:31 pm

United are the poster boys for the premeir league. That's why Sky, the FA, referees and other English media support them.

My happiness is that Alex ferguson at most has 3 years left in him and that will be the end of the rags.
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Re: why us and not utd

Postby blues2win » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:35 pm

The scum are no world beaters. Just look at their pitiful performances in the Champions League. They do at least though put away teams under constant pressure and they do have pace and width in the side which is an enormous help to them. God knows what happens to us away from home but we seem nervous and defensive which gives hope to the home teams and their fans that they can do us.

Quite often they do.
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Re: why us and not utd

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:36 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
You can't say what would or wouldn't have happened, it's pure guesswork. Maybe Arsenal would of won if he's stayed on but that was Wenger's decision to take him off.
What the fuck are you suggesting? That Wenger took him off because he wanted to lose?
With Torres's miss, whose to say Chelsea would of got anything from the game? Plenty of players miss good chances in every game.
But you just make excuse after excuse. I don't have a big love of United but I'm able to make a judgement objectively rather than
through blue tinted specs all the time.


You look at things through red tinted specs. That's been pointed out to you many many times.

No smoke without fire.

I don't actually, not at all. I look at things as objectively as I can. I agree with Ted a lot of the time and I certainly think United have benefited from referees but the reason we are where we are is from our own poor performances. I remember you having a go at me when I said I thought that we wouldn't run away with the league and that I wouldn't get overly excited because it could all come crashing down in an instant. It did.


But if Utd have benefitted from refs & we are poor, how come they took this long to get away from us if they are so good ?

You have had an Arsenal fan on here telling us how much more effort they put in v City than Utd btw. Still think I'm making it up ?

I think there needs to be a certain amount of credit where credit's due. At our best I think we are a lot better than United as shown by the 6-1 and the 5-1 at Spurs BUT they are far better at grinding out results than us. And the annoying thing is, look at some of their goals, they are not doing anything brilliant, it's as simple as crossing the ball into the box and attacking it.
But you consistently make the most ridiculous of excuses.
Having watched them at Arsenal, from the first minute they were on the front foot and looking to win the game, apart from a 20 minute spell when Arsenal took control. Us on the other hand set up to draw when we needed to win.
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Re: why us and not utd

Postby blues2win » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:51 pm

In fairness arsenal were going through a bad patch when the scum played them whereas they were on a bit of a roll when we played them ( although they did lose to QPR admittedly). Still your point is well made. We never went after an Arsenal side which is vulnerable under pressure. They pretty well dominated us in a match we had to win. In the last twenty minutes the scum would have thrown the kitchen sink at the Arse. We crumbled to abject defeat. I'm still angry more than 24 hours later and so are quite a few others judging by the posts.
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