Sparky's Retreads....

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Yes Hughes probably had final say but I'm sure persuading him to agree to take some of the players that the board wanted wasn't too difficult.

The same thing happened with Milner and AJ for Bob.

This goes on at every club( bar maybe clubs where the manager is in situ for a number of years )and is one of the main reasons for breakdown in relationships between managers and chairman. I'm sure it is what Bob was referring to last summer when he was going on about having more control at the club.

Why would our board want any player? Especially someone who would cost awfull lot of money like Jo?

Milner and AJ were most likely brought forward as options by Marwood. Marwood is in charge of football operations and therefore part of the "operational side of business" (if we use business terms). Board of directors are in charge of overall operations but most likely don't have anything to say about individual players apart from transfer fees and wages. Players with clear marketing value, like Robinho at the time and Kaka later, might make an exception. None of the players mentioned fall into that category.

[kinkylola]

my point was not who was responsible for saying yes, and entirely who was responsible for scouting them. If hughes was brought a dossier on a player like Kompany and told, we have a deal lined up for 6m, go or no go. And you say 'go', that deserves credit for making a good decision, but that's not the end all be all.

Who directed those people to go out and get reports on these players? Was it Sven? Only if youtube was involved. Was it part of a larger backroom movement to improve our scouting and recruitment capabilities? Seems likely. It certainly didn't happen in the month that Hughes was appointed before the signings started coming.

The topic is about 'Sparky's retreads' and his penchant for revisiting the same tired players he uses every where he goes ... now in the bollocks we see he's back in for stephen ireland! Maybe that's his preference, or maybe he just doesn't know how to direct/doesn't have the support of a vast scouting operation to find suitable talent. I think it's probably a mix of the 2.

It's important to have the people with sense enough to green light a buy ... it's arguably more important to have quality people who find those potential buys, or at least someone who knows how to direct those people.

That's a major falling down for hughes in my opinion.

I wasn't a fan of hughes' appointment, I thought it lacked imagination. Maybe it was a necessary stepping stone. Thing is, if hughes had gotten solid results, I would have been right behind him the whole way. So there's no reason to bring being a licker or not into this.

[Ted Hughes]

i think it's simply a matter of the 'prem proven' players that hughes loves to splash the dosh on will take much more motivating to go to QPR (aka more money). Probably pricing them out of a move for now. Also ... that squad needs some major reinforcing and bringing in some older, but steady producers, probably isn't such a bad idea.

I wonder if he will look to the continent to try to get some 5-10m deals done for players that haven't been tried in the prem yet, as personally, I don't feel like he is totally comfortable doing that. Vinnie and Zab and Nige can't be faulted as purchases, but I'm a little reluctant to give him credit for those finds, I really think we had them scouted before Hughes.

2 July 2008 FW Jô CSKA Moscow £18m[11][12]
30 July 2008 DF Tal Ben Haim Chelsea £5m[13][14]
21 Aug. 2008 DF Vincent Kompany Hamburg £6m[15][16]
28 Aug. 2008 MF Shaun Wright-Phillips Chelsea £8.5m[17][18][19]
31 Aug. 2008 DF Pablo Zabaleta Espanyol £6.45m[20][21]
31 Aug. 2008 DF Gláuber Nuremberg Undisc.[20][22]
01 Sep. 2008 FW Robinho Real Madrid £32.5m[23][24]

Those are not Mark Hughes signings. These are:

03 Jan. 2009 DF Wayne Bridge Chelsea £10m[25][26]
19 Jan. 2009 FW Craig Bellamy West Ham £14m[27][28]
21 Jan. 2009 MF Nigel de Jong Hamburg £16m[29][30]
01 Feb. 2009 GK Shay Given Newcastle Utd. £5.9m[31][32][33]

Though I'm still not sure Nige was Hughes purchase, there's no way I could know one way or the other. Given was a no brainer, one of the best GK's in the prem at the time.

Anyway, splitting hairs ... but in my opinion, continental europe is a secondary player pool for hughes, he'll overpay for prem players 6 days out of 7, before even thinking about searching across the channel.

What planet is that coming from ? Of course they were his signings. As was Tevez, Adebayor, Kolo Toure.

There's an argument that Jo wasn't a Hughes signing but he still allowed it to happen, so imo both Jo & Robinho are Hughes signings as he could have threatened to resign & stopped them happening. If it's all about when we first scouted them then Hughes should be taking credit or blame for Silva, Y Toure, AJ, Aguero, Boateng, & Gareth Bale if we sign him whilst Nasri was 1st approached by Stuart Pearce!

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

my point was not who was responsible for saying yes, and entirely who was responsible for scouting them. If hughes was brought a dossier on a player like Kompany and told, we have a deal lined up for 6m, go or no go. And you say 'go', that deserves credit for making a good decision, but that's not the end all be all.

Who directed those people to go out and get reports on these players? Was it Sven? Only if youtube was involved. Was it part of a larger backroom movement to improve our scouting and recruitment capabilities? Seems likely. It certainly didn't happen in the month that Hughes was appointed before the signings started coming.

The topic is about 'Sparky's retreads' and his penchant for revisiting the same tired players he uses every where he goes ... now in the bollocks we see he's back in for stephen ireland! Maybe that's his preference, or maybe he just doesn't know how to direct/doesn't have the support of a vast scouting operation to find suitable talent. I think it's probably a mix of the 2.

It's important to have the people with sense enough to green light a buy ... it's arguably more important to have quality people who find those potential buys, or at least someone who knows how to direct those people.

That's a major falling down for hughes in my opinion.

I wasn't a fan of hughes' appointment, I thought it lacked imagination. Maybe it was a necessary stepping stone. Thing is, if hughes had gotten solid results, I would have been right behind him the whole way. So there's no reason to bring being a licker or not into this.

No one was discussing about being licker or not on this topic.

Scouting network isn't something that's necesserily connected to individual manager but rather the Club itself. We still have lot of scouts who worked for us years ago. Whether and how individual manager decides to use those networks is up to the manager of course. I'm sure the same tapes and reports were brought forward to Sven, Hughes and Mancini although I'm also pretty sure it's Marwood who manages that side of things now and we have lot deeper scouting network than we used to.

Oh, and calling out Sven for poor scouting must be one of the funniest things I've seen. Sure he made some poor signings (and some good ones as well considering financial restraints) but throughout his career he has built numerous of winning sides mainly because he was so good at spotting talent.

Edit. Generally, you can't compare how things work in big Premier League clubs to how things work in Peterbrough. In Premier League club manager doesn't go on scouting trips himself trying to spot talent. Scouting network provides him with suitable talents he makes the decisions with team of professionals. Either way, buck stops with the manager.

[Ted Hughes]

my point was not who was responsible for saying yes, and entirely who was responsible for scouting them. If hughes was brought a dossier on a player like Kompany and told, we have a deal lined up for 6m, go or no go. And you say 'go', that deserves credit for making a good decision, but that's not the end all be all.

Who directed those people to go out and get reports on these players? Was it Sven? Only if youtube was involved. Was it part of a larger backroom movement to improve our scouting and recruitment capabilities? Seems likely. It certainly didn't happen in the month that Hughes was appointed before the signings started coming.

The topic is about 'Sparky's retreads' and his penchant for revisiting the same tired players he uses every where he goes ... now in the bollocks we see he's back in for stephen ireland! Maybe that's his preference, or maybe he just doesn't know how to direct/doesn't have the support of a vast scouting operation to find suitable talent. I think it's probably a mix of the 2.

It's important to have the people with sense enough to green light a buy ... it's arguably more important to have quality people who find those potential buys, or at least someone who knows how to direct those people.

That's a major falling down for hughes in my opinion.

I wasn't a fan of hughes' appointment, I thought it lacked imagination. Maybe it was a necessary stepping stone. Thing is, if hughes had gotten solid results, I would have been right behind him the whole way. So there's no reason to bring being a licker or not into this.

No one was discussing about being licker or not on this topic.

Scouting network isn't something that's necesserily connected to individual manager but rather the Club itself. We still have lot of scouts who worked for us years ago. Whether and how individual manager decides to use those networks is up to the manager of course. I'm sure the same tapes and reports were brought forward to Sven, Hughes and Mancini although I'm also pretty sure it's Marwood who manages that side of things now and we have lot deeper scouting network than we used to.

Oh, and calling out Sven for poor scouting must be one of the funniest things I've seen. Sure he made some poor signings (and some good ones as well considering financial restraints) but throughout his career he has built numerous of winning sides mainly because he was so good at spotting talent.

Edit. Generally, you can't compare how things work in big Premier League clubs to how things work in Peterbrough. In Premier League club manager doesn't go on scouting trips himself trying to spot talent. Scouting network provides him with suitable talents he makes the decisions with team of professionals. Either way, buck stops with the manager.

The subject of scouting should have a thread really as 'something' is going on ( we've just lost several more scouts, this time to Liverpool).

I haven't started a thread on it though because I've no fucking idea what that 'something' is ! But they are upto something.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

my point was not who was responsible for saying yes, and entirely who was responsible for scouting them. If hughes was brought a dossier on a player like Kompany and told, we have a deal lined up for 6m, go or no go. And you say 'go', that deserves credit for making a good decision, but that's not the end all be all.

Who directed those people to go out and get reports on these players? Was it Sven? Only if youtube was involved. Was it part of a larger backroom movement to improve our scouting and recruitment capabilities? Seems likely. It certainly didn't happen in the month that Hughes was appointed before the signings started coming.

The topic is about 'Sparky's retreads' and his penchant for revisiting the same tired players he uses every where he goes ... now in the bollocks we see he's back in for stephen ireland! Maybe that's his preference, or maybe he just doesn't know how to direct/doesn't have the support of a vast scouting operation to find suitable talent. I think it's probably a mix of the 2.

It's important to have the people with sense enough to green light a buy ... it's arguably more important to have quality people who find those potential buys, or at least someone who knows how to direct those people.

That's a major falling down for hughes in my opinion.

I wasn't a fan of hughes' appointment, I thought it lacked imagination. Maybe it was a necessary stepping stone. Thing is, if hughes had gotten solid results, I would have been right behind him the whole way. So there's no reason to bring being a licker or not into this.

No one was discussing about being licker or not on this topic.

Scouting network isn't something that's necesserily connected to individual manager but rather the Club itself. We still have lot of scouts who worked for us years ago. Whether and how individual manager decides to use those networks is up to the manager of course. I'm sure the same tapes and reports were brought forward to Sven, Hughes and Mancini although I'm also pretty sure it's Marwood who manages that side of things now and we have lot deeper scouting network than we used to.

Oh, and calling out Sven for poor scouting must be one of the funniest things I've seen. Sure he made some poor signings (and some good ones as well considering financial restraints) but throughout his career he has built numerous of winning sides mainly because he was so good at spotting talent.

Edit. Generally, you can't compare how things work in big Premier League clubs to how things work in Peterbrough. In Premier League club manager doesn't go on scouting trips himself trying to spot talent. Scouting network provides him with suitable talents he makes the decisions with team of professionals. Either way, buck stops with the manager.

The subject of scouting should have a thread really as 'something' is going on ( we've just lost several more scouts, this time to Liverpool).

I haven't started a thread on it though because I've no fucking idea what that 'something' is ! But they are upto something.

How did you find about us losing the scouts?

[Foreverinbluedreams]

It was reported from various sources last week NQDP, here's one

from James Pearce, Liverpool Echo

Liverpool FC are set to appoint Dave Fallows as head of scouting and recruitment as part of a double swoop on Manchester City.

Fallows will leave his role as first team scouting and recruitment co-ordinator with the Premier League champions to start work at Anfield.

The former Bolton Wanderers performance analyst will be joined by Barry Hunter, who will also quit City to be part of the new scouting set-up under manager Brendan Rodgers.

Since 2008 Hunter has been City’s chief scout for Italy, Switzerland and Russia


The 43-year-old former Northern Ireland defender, who has also worked as a scout for Blackburn and Norwich, knows Rodgers well from their days at Reading together.

Securing the services of Fallows and Hunter from City represents a major coup for Rodgers as he looks to put the staff in place to help him realise his vision for the club.

Liverpool declined to comment but it’s understood that Fallows will form part of the new technical team working with Rodgers after owners Fenway Sports Group shelved plans to appoint a sporting director.

There are likely to be further appointments to the roles of head of development and head of medicine.

Fallows was at Bolton before moving on to City where he was key to building the club’s international scouting infrastructure using state-of-the-art technology.

“My role is primarily to co-ordinate all aspects of our scouting department, which includes liaising with scouts, fixture planning, managing the constant stream of reports coming in and effectively linking everything together,” Fallows explained back in 2010.

“The traditional role of a scout, where they went to a match and kept all the knowledge in their head rarely exists in modern day scouting structures.”

[Chinners]

it was in the bollox a couple of days ago NQDP ...

[sheikh it all about]

Part of the problem with Hughes (and others) is only being able to get the best out of "their own" men. By that I mean guys they have either worked with before or were responsible for signing. Either way those players owe them. Hughes struggled with the likes of Elano, and Mancini with the likes of Ade and Bellamy. All three good players imo and all three wasted.

Identifying talent is only part of the job. A truly great manager can motivate the awkward squad. I never believed Hughes showed that potential. If Bobby can crack it with Tevez, and get his own man Balo to play for the team, he will be well on the way to becoming an all-time great. I really hope so.

[1950]

i think it's simply a matter of the 'prem proven' players that hughes loves to splash the dosh on will take much more motivating to go to QPR (aka more money). Probably pricing them out of a move for now. Also ... that squad needs some major reinforcing and bringing in some older, but steady producers, probably isn't such a bad idea.

I wonder if he will look to the continent to try to get some 5-10m deals done for players that haven't been tried in the prem yet, as personally, I don't feel like he is totally comfortable doing that. Vinnie and Zab and Nige can't be faulted as purchases, but I'm a little reluctant to give him credit for those finds, I really think we had them scouted before Hughes.

2 July 2008 FW Jô CSKA Moscow £18m[11][12]
30 July 2008 DF Tal Ben Haim Chelsea £5m[13][14]
21 Aug. 2008 DF Vincent Kompany Hamburg £6m[15][16]
28 Aug. 2008 MF Shaun Wright-Phillips Chelsea £8.5m[17][18][19]
31 Aug. 2008 DF Pablo Zabaleta Espanyol £6.45m[20][21]
31 Aug. 2008 DF Gláuber Nuremberg Undisc.[20][22]
01 Sep. 2008 FW Robinho Real Madrid £32.5m[23][24]

Those are not Mark Hughes signings. These are:

03 Jan. 2009 DF Wayne Bridge Chelsea £10m[25][26]
19 Jan. 2009 FW Craig Bellamy West Ham £14m[27][28]
21 Jan. 2009 MF Nigel de Jong Hamburg £16m[29][30]
01 Feb. 2009 GK Shay Given Newcastle Utd. £5.9m[31][32][33]

Though I'm still not sure Nige was Hughes purchase, there's no way I could know one way or the other. Given was a no brainer, one of the best GK's in the prem at the time.

Anyway, splitting hairs ... but in my opinion, continental europe is a secondary player pool for hughes, he'll overpay for prem players 6 days out of 7, before even thinking about searching across the channel.

What a load of cack. I suppose these are not his signings either?

Ryan Nelsen D.C. United Free
Morten Gamst Pedersen Tromsö IL £1.5m
Bruno Berner FC Basel 1893 £450,000
Christopher Samba Hertha BSC £450,000
Benni McCarthy FC Porto £2.5m
André Ooijer PSV Eindhoven £2m
Maceo Rigters NAC Breda Undisc.
Roque Santa Cruz FC Bayern München £3.8m

Just to name the most prominent ones. And if you're really adamant to credit some scouting team over Hughes, how about the one at Blackburn? For all we know they did the work on Kompany & Zabaleta, which Hughes used to sign them for City. It's all speculative tho, isn't it.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

It was reported from various sources last week NQDP, here's one

from James Pearce, Liverpool Echo

Liverpool FC are set to appoint Dave Fallows as head of scouting and recruitment as part of a double swoop on Manchester City.

Fallows will leave his role as first team scouting and recruitment co-ordinator with the Premier League champions to start work at Anfield.

The former Bolton Wanderers performance analyst will be joined by Barry Hunter, who will also quit City to be part of the new scouting set-up under manager Brendan Rodgers.

Since 2008 Hunter has been City’s chief scout for Italy, Switzerland and Russia


The 43-year-old former Northern Ireland defender, who has also worked as a scout for Blackburn and Norwich, knows Rodgers well from their days at Reading together.

Securing the services of Fallows and Hunter from City represents a major coup for Rodgers as he looks to put the staff in place to help him realise his vision for the club.

Liverpool declined to comment but it’s understood that Fallows will form part of the new technical team working with Rodgers after owners Fenway Sports Group shelved plans to appoint a sporting director.

There are likely to be further appointments to the roles of head of development and head of medicine.

Fallows was at Bolton before moving on to City where he was key to building the club’s international scouting infrastructure using state-of-the-art technology.

“My role is primarily to co-ordinate all aspects of our scouting department, which includes liaising with scouts, fixture planning, managing the constant stream of reports coming in and effectively linking everything together,” Fallows explained back in 2010.

“The traditional role of a scout, where they went to a match and kept all the knowledge in their head rarely exists in modern day scouting structures.”

Cheers.

Seems to me like both got promotions which I think is understandable career move.

[Ted Hughes]

It was reported from various sources last week NQDP, here's one

from James Pearce, Liverpool Echo

Liverpool FC are set to appoint Dave Fallows as head of scouting and recruitment as part of a double swoop on Manchester City.

Fallows will leave his role as first team scouting and recruitment co-ordinator with the Premier League champions to start work at Anfield.

The former Bolton Wanderers performance analyst will be joined by Barry Hunter, who will also quit City to be part of the new scouting set-up under manager Brendan Rodgers.

Since 2008 Hunter has been City’s chief scout for Italy, Switzerland and Russia


The 43-year-old former Northern Ireland defender, who has also worked as a scout for Blackburn and Norwich, knows Rodgers well from their days at Reading together.

Securing the services of Fallows and Hunter from City represents a major coup for Rodgers as he looks to put the staff in place to help him realise his vision for the club.

Liverpool declined to comment but it’s understood that Fallows will form part of the new technical team working with Rodgers after owners Fenway Sports Group shelved plans to appoint a sporting director.

There are likely to be further appointments to the roles of head of development and head of medicine.

Fallows was at Bolton before moving on to City where he was key to building the club’s international scouting infrastructure using state-of-the-art technology.

“My role is primarily to co-ordinate all aspects of our scouting department, which includes liaising with scouts, fixture planning, managing the constant stream of reports coming in and effectively linking everything together,” Fallows explained back in 2010.

“The traditional role of a scout, where they went to a match and kept all the knowledge in their head rarely exists in modern day scouting structures.”

Cheers.

Seems to me like both got promotions which I think is understandable career move.

We also lost Mike Rigg to QPR.

Something is going on.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Bellamy was worth every penny and more. Anyone who criticizes that signing has really no fucking clue. And those saying Zabaleta and Kompany wouldn't be the players they are today? How the fuck do you know? What a silly argument.
Same argument can be said of Mancini and Ireland.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Bellamy was worth every penny and more. Anyone who criticizes that signing has really no fucking clue.

Regardless of what I think of Bellamy, you saying someone "has no clue" is bit steep.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Bellamy was worth every penny and more. Anyone who criticizes that signing has really no fucking clue.

Regardless of what I think of Bellamy, you saying someone "has no clue" is bit steep.

Says the person who called Bellamy a bad signing.
Except when he scored against united and you created a thread titled 'arise Sir craig' or something along those lines.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

We also lost Mike Rigg to QPR.

Something is going on.

Rigg and Hughes are massive bum chums. He was always going to go where ever Hughes goes. I didn't even raise my eyebrows when I heard about him going to QPR.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Bellamy was worth every penny and more. Anyone who criticizes that signing has really no fucking clue.

Regardless of what I think of Bellamy, you saying someone "has no clue" is bit steep.

Says the person who called Bellamy a bad signing.
Except when he scored against united and you created a thread titled 'arise Sir craig' or something along those lines.

Like I said, this has nothing to do with Bellamy. You are probably the person with least football knowledge here alongside TheGoat. I always usually think to myself that when I disagree with you on some football matter I must be on a right path.

But lets leave it at that.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Bellamy was worth every penny and more. Anyone who criticizes that signing has really no fucking clue.

Regardless of what I think of Bellamy, you saying someone "has no clue" is bit steep.

Says the person who called Bellamy a bad signing.
Except when he scored against united and you created a thread titled 'arise Sir craig' or something along those lines.

Like I said, this has nothing to do with Bellamy. You are probably the person with least football knowledge here alongside TheGoat. I always usually think to myself that when I disagree with you on some football matter I must be on a right path.

But lets leave it at that.

Okay.

[Ted Hughes]

We also lost Mike Rigg to QPR.

Something is going on.

Rigg and Hughes are massive bum chums. He was always going to go where ever Hughes goes. I didn't even raise my eyebrows when I heard about him going to QPR.

Whatever, it's 3 of our top scouts, all gone. Someone else is doing their jobs.

[littlebig]

he'll overpay for prem players 6 days out of 7.

Amen to that! He really got fleeced on a couple of deals. And Bridge on 90k a week!