*** Terry Cam ***

[feedthegreek]

chinners dya think if terry gets found not guilty, hell get the england captains job again.

[Chinners]

Defence lawyer says Ashley Cole was referring to Ferdinand accusing Terry of racial abuse when Cole said 'you can't talk to JT like that.'

Terry's QC now cross examining Ferdinand on his exchange with Ashley Cole after the game.

Lawyer: Why is your memory so vague whenver I ask you about the conversation? Ferdinand: Because it was 10 months ago

Gesture was "not an offence", said Ferdinand. "It might be offensive," says #Terry's QC
Lawyer accuses Ferd of being 'caught out by the video' left out what he said when he made gesture from statement to avoid being 'exposed'

lawyer: `I'm going to suggest you deliberately left it out because you knew what it led on to.'

Ferdinand looks over at public gallery and lawyer stops cross-exam to to ask him 'are you looking for some assitance over there?' Ferd: no

[Chinners]

chinners dya think if terry gets found not guilty, hell get the england captains job again.

I have no idea fella ... judging by the tweets from Rio thou I think I'm on safe ground saying that Terry has a beeter chance than him!

[Chinners]

They are racing (no pun intended) through this ... might all be settled today at this rate!!

Back in Courtroom 1

Terry's QC suggests Ferdinand went into Chelsea changing room after game because he "felt guilty" about "allegations he made. AF denies.

Lawyer on Ferd going to CFC room: You went in there after what you'd one on the pitch, about an allegation you made that was unfounded.

Terry"s QC says Terry asked Ferdinand in changing room "are you accusing me of calling you a black c*nt?" and Ferdinand said "no".

Ferdinand: I wouldn’t take kindly to being racially abused …there would've been a fight

Lawyer: I'm going to suggest your not telling the court the truth. Ferdinand: Yes I am

Lawyer asks Ferdinand if conversation in dressing room ended with him and Terry discussing properties in LA

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Trial adjourned for lunch so I'm off for a quick pint!

[Chinners]

Chelsea fan with an almost life-size cardboard Terry cut out stationed outside court. Emblazoned with words: World Love You


Back in Courtroom 1 - trial resumes soon - members of Terry & Ferdinand's families sitting within feet of each other in public gallery

[Chinners]

Cross-examination of Anton Ferdinand has resumed ...

Ferdinand says Terry asked him in dressing room after game whether he'd accused Terry of calling him a black c*** on the pitch

"No I didn't hear anything like that" Ferdinand says he replied. "Why would he say that" Carter-Stephenson asks "Maybe he looked at his...phone & there were texts saying that" says Ferdinand.

Ferdinand admits that in his FA statement he said Terry had asked him about black c*** allegation against Terry in post-match meeting

Ferdinand says he first saw footage at 7pm after the match. Says Terry may have been aware of it earlier from a text

Ferdinand now being questioned on exactly what footage of the #Terry incident he watched on YouTube in QPR players lounge after game.

Ferdinand says he first saw YouTube footage at 7pm. He told court #Terry may have been aware of it earlier if he had received a text.

Ferdinand admits, under cross examination, he does not know if Terry received any such text.

Carter-Stephenson: "You're changing your evidence, Mr Ferdinand". Both men raising their voices

Carter-Stephenson: "F***ing nobhead' is something I suspect you've been called on the pitch on a number of occasions".

Ferdinand: "Yes"

Ferdinand: you're putting words in my mouth sir. That's in response to lawyer accusing him of changing his story

Defence asking Ferdinand why he delayed reporting Terry: 'It was what happened on the pitch ... I wanted the FA to deal with it'

Terry's QC says he is going to suggest Ferdinand didn't make complaint to anyone about the alleged Terry incident.

If club hadn't complained then I would have done

Lawyer: Did you try and get Mr Terry charged through 3rd parties? Ferdinand: No I never

Ferdinand says he thinks he raised the matter with manager Neil Warnock.

AF says he wanted the FA to deal with the issue, rather than the police - & denies trying to get Terry charged over the matter

Terry's QC: "Did you avoid speaking to police about it". Ferdinand: "Yes I wanted it to be dealt with by the FA".

Conversation moves to the role of a Mr Rigby from Ferdinand's agents New Era Group

Lawyer: Did you ever authorize Mr Rigby to actually contact the police in order to get Mr Terry charged? Ferdinand: no

Lawyer: Is Rigby also a PR agent for your brother? Ferdinand: My brother's a part of the agency so yes

Ferdinand asked if PR agent Rigby changed his mind about making statement to police Ferdinand: I changed my mind nobody can change my mind

Carter-Stephenson suggesting AF was persuaded to speak to police by Justin Rigby, part of agency which represents AF and Rio Ferdinand

Ferdinand getting annoyed at question about whether he pays for Rigby's services. `Is what I pay and what I do relevant to this?'

[Chinners]

Ferdinand's agent allegedly warned if CPS did not charge Terry, would look like word of white player taken over word of black player.

Terry's lawyer quibbling about words Ferdinand used this morning compared to the ones he's using this afternoon

Defence suggests that Ferdinand account of Ashley Cole conversation in FA statement does not match his evidence in court

"Were you so angry you don't recall what abuse you gave to Terry?" defence claim. "You added deliberate racial element to provoke Terry."

Defence cross examination finished for now. Prosecutor now going through why Ferdinand was originally reluctnant to go to police

Prosecutor: At the time Mr Terry was England captain. Did you have any reason to make up a false allegation against him?

Ferdinand says he had no reason to make up allegation against Terry or add racial element to provoke him.

Ferdinand [again says] did not make complaint to police "because the pitch is where we work, it should be dealt with by the FA"

Defence in effect accusing AF of deliberately falsely accusing JT of racial abuse on the pitch in order to provoke a reaction.

Ferdinand's time on the witness stand over. Lasted about 2 hours. he's been told not to Tweet about the trial, quick ciggy break before they call the next witness ... Sue Whiteley

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[Foreverinbluedreams]

Who's on trial here?

[Chinners]

Ha ha, it's certainly twisted round hasn't it!

Courtroom 1
Just waiting for the lip readers to enter court now .....

[chips]

This makes Anton seem as thick as his brother.

[chrizzer]

@chinners:

Thx for the updates

[Chinners]

Sue Whiteley, a self-employed freelance lip-reader now giving evidence. Expertise from being born into a 'profoundly deaf' family

Lip-reader Susan WHITEWOOD on Ferdinand footage: 'It's 'Oi you, shagging your mate's missus' then there is a word after I couldn't decipher'

Lip reader shown footage & tells court that on 2nd clip featuring Terry he says, ".. you f***ing black c***, (pause) you f***ing nobhead."

Terry's lawyer to lip reader: Lip reading isn't a precise science is it? Says it requires 'guesswork' she says 'to a degree'

Ferdinand's mother still in court in the public gallery. Bruce Buck, Chelsea chairman, is there too

Defence in Terry trial questioning lip-reader: 'Let me put a statement to you: anybody (ie, any lip-reader) who is categoric is a fraud'

Lip reader says she's put down in evidence what she's 'certain' to have seen. Terry's lawyer says what she 'may' have seen what's in doc

Terry Lipreader says lip reading not a precise science. What is seen can be misread.

Whiteley is profoundly deaf - but via lip-reading is able to answer Carter-Stephenson's questions

Lipreader said she had met and swapped notes with a Lipreader hired by Terry's legal team

Terry's lawyer continuing with line about the unpredictability of lip-reading. He also asks lip reader about impact of media coverage on her

[razor400]

Carter-Stephenson: "F***ing nobhead' is something I suspect you've been called on the pitch on a number of occasions".

Ferdinand: "Yes"


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[Chinners]

Pros Lipreader says she agrees with defence Lipreader that the skill is a large measure of guesswork.

Lip reader agrees with Terry QC there is "fundamental unreliability" in "being able to interpret speech visibly with certainty".

Defence in Terry trial points out lip-reader admitted she was aware of media coverage of incident before she became involved professionally

Lip reader says she wasn't aware a racial comment was the subject of the Terry/Ferdinand incident before she was asked to decipher words

[Dameerto]

So would it be presumptious of me to call him an adulterous racist?

[Chinners]

Lip reader agrees with #Terry QC cannot exclude possibility words used were "a f*cking black cunt" as opposed to "you f*cking black cunt".

Crown in Terry trial: 'What is your opinion of the word before 'black c***''. Lip-reader: 'My opinion is 'you''

Magistrate in Terry trial asks lip-reader if it makes any difference she can also hear. 'Is that a meaningless question?' Lip-reader: 'Yes'

Second lip-reader witness in Terry trial is Lorraine Callow. She is profoundly deaf. Says there's 'high degree of inaccuracy' in lip-reading

[Ted Hughes]

Carter-Stephenson: "F***ing nobhead' is something I suspect you've been called on the pitch on a number of occasions".

Ferdinand: "Yes"


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And he said the same about often being called a cunt.

I think this lawyer is mistaking Anton for his brother.

[Chinners]

Ha ha Ted

And speaking of funnies, I'm really digging this sarcastic magistrate ... quality!

Terry trial adjourned.
Magistrate: 'Mr Terry, it's been a long day ... please be here by 10am tomorrow. If you're not we may start without you'

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more *Terry Cam* tomorrow people.

[Dameerto]

Ten while five is a long day? He needs to get a proper job.

[Chinners]

To be fair Terry is only used to 'working' 90mins ...