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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby PeterParker » Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:46 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
PeterParker wrote:Yep, i think the only solid defender this start of the season was Clichy.

Vinnie, Lesco, Zabs and Toure were having problems that looked like the ones in Hughes era.

On the other hand, Joey is having a terrible time imho. I really can't remember his last save and those passes he had with Maicon and Vinnie was dreadful.

If you ask me, the main problem is that they had every preseason game in that different system that Bobby wanted, the 3-5-2 and now they are having problems adjusting back to what they were used to be.


I think that's part of it, but I think all the international bollocks has also interfered with pre season & early season training. To debut 3 players v Stoke & Clattenberg away is quite a gamble as well.

If it's to be proved a correct gamble, we need to get something in Madrid.


Imho, Bobby got i right today. Stoke is a difficult team at home like they are every season and we deserved to win today if it wasen't for that hairless cunt.
We would had seen other players today, Silva, etc if it wasen't the game with Madrid which Bobby has high expectations.

PS: If you ask me, the most important change that Bobby had today was getting Gazbaz on the field. From that moment on, Stoke lost the ball more often.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby Superbia » Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:53 pm

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19 year old "kid" plays for his country...you thick cunt.


Because he plays for his country means he's ready to play in our biggest champions league game ever without ever kicking a ball for us and it's also an away game, your arguments ridiculous
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:58 pm

Superbia wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
19 year old "kid" plays for his country...you thick cunt.


Because he plays for his country means he's ready to play in our biggest champions league game ever without ever kicking a ball for us and it's also an away game, your arguments ridiculous


No its not..Lescotts a liability and has been for awhile.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby phips » Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:23 pm

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carl_feedthegoat wrote:They will pummel us if Bob keeps Lescott there with Vinny....todays goal was LESCOTTS FAULT regardless of any handball from spaguetti..hes a fucking arm waving scarecrow and has been ubber shit since last few games last season.


Kompany has been just as bad as lescott. I don't remember hart making a save so far this season either.

Vinnie has been pretty bad and you could argue that he missed his jump vs. Crouch on the goal before Lescott did poorly.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby Redna » Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:41 pm

Lescott is not that comfortable on the ball. What's happened to Vinnie I don't know.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:41 pm

Both Vinny and lescott had a chance to stop crouch today, neither dealt with it, he handled and scored.

Right now I've two concerns with our defense. 1st were switching off at vital moments and conceding goals.

The 2nd is for some reason both cb's are making unnecessary lunges all over the field that is most unlike them. Vinny in particular is a bit wild so far this year.

The problem isn't lescott on his own, but for some reason there is a problem and bobby needs to fix it.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:53 pm

I couldn't watch the game live and just assumed it would be correct wheh I saw hear that Lescott was 100% or was it 1000% to blame for the goal.I suppose I shouldnt really be surprised that was 1000% wrong!


Kompany missed with his challenge,Crouch then cheats to get past Lescott ( he wouldnt have got past him without cheating)then he somehow gets away with another handball against Garcia (no problem with Garcia Carl?) and of course worst of all Clattenburg misses both and gives a goal. How the hell was it all Lescott's fault? The answer is in a certain person's ever so slightly biased mind.

But apart from that I don't think Lescott has looked as good so far as he did last year,same with Vinnie but I am sure it will all start to come together.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby LookMumImOnMCF.net » Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:11 pm

Should definitely drop Premier League winner Lescott for a rookie. I'm not really sure what Mancini thinks he's playing at here picking players based on their experience and ability. He's on thin ice for me.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:13 pm

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:I couldn't watch the game live and just assumed it would be correct wheh I saw hear that Lescott was 100% or was it 1000% to blame for the goal.I suppose I shouldnt really be surprised that was 1000% wrong!


Kompany missed with his challenge,Crouch then cheats to get past Lescott ( he wouldnt have got past him without cheating)then he somehow gets away with another handball against Garcia (no problem with Garcia Carl?) and of course worst of all Clattenburg misses both and gives a goal. How the hell was it all Lescott's fault? The answer is in a certain person's ever so slightly biased mind.

But apart from that I don't think Lescott has looked as good so far as he did last year,same with Vinnie but I am sure it will all start to come together.


As the last man between him and the goal its his responsibility to stop Crouch...he should HAVE stopped him and he didnt, regardless of crouch using his hand and regardless of the build up to crouch getting through till only Lescott was left, so yes, its Lescotts fault the goal went in, hes playing SHITE.

Goals against us over the last half dozen games is shocking...RM will tear Lescotts arse wide open if he continues playing the way he has.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby bluej » Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:29 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
As the last man between him and the goal its his responsibility to stop Crouch...he should HAVE stopped him and he didnt, regardless of crouch using his hand and regardless of the build up to crouch getting through till only Lescott was left, so yes, its Lescotts fault the goal went in, hes playing SHITE.

Goals against us over the last half dozen games is shocking...RM will tear Lescotts arse wide open if he continues playing the way he has.


Didn't he go past Garcia after Lescott?
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:34 pm

bluej wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
As the last man between him and the goal its his responsibility to stop Crouch...he should HAVE stopped him and he didnt, regardless of crouch using his hand and regardless of the build up to crouch getting through till only Lescott was left, so yes, its Lescotts fault the goal went in, hes playing SHITE.

Goals against us over the last half dozen games is shocking...RM will tear Lescotts arse wide open if he continues playing the way he has.


Didn't he go past Garcia after Lescott?


Garcias first game for us and he played brilliantly so Im not going to have a pop at him..Lescotts been in our defence how long now ?....as I said he was the last man between hart and player...he just stood there like a cunt.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby LookMumImOnMCF.net » Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:48 pm

bluej wrote:Didn't he go past Garcia after Lescott?

Don't let facts get in the way of agendas chief.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:59 pm

LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:
bluej wrote:Didn't he go past Garcia after Lescott?

Don't let facts get in the way of agendas chief.


I do have an agenda against him but that doesnt mean my point is invalid !

Who was the last man to stop Crouch ? answer is Lescott.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby Tokyo Blue » Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:18 am

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:
bluej wrote:Didn't he go past Garcia after Lescott?

Don't let facts get in the way of agendas chief.


I do have an agenda against him but that doesnt mean my point is invalid !

Who was the last man to stop Crouch ? answer is Lescott.

That you say every goal City concede is Lescott's fault does though, Carl mate. Even in games when he is not playing. Even going back to before he signed for the club.

I don't think you are right here. crouch only got past Lescott and Garcia because he was allowed to use his hands.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:12 am

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
I do have an agenda against him but that doesnt mean my point is invalid !

Who was the last man to stop Crouch ? answer is Lescott.


Actually as has already been pointed out answer is Garcia but he gets a free pass as you said so.

Vinny and Joe didn't stop him either and the red missed handball, but lescott is 100% to blame? I'll have what you're smoking.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby Blue_Manc » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:45 am

Not to worry about our back line people. I watched Seville v Madrid last night and they looked awful. Only person that was a threat was Modric. Hopefully, Bobby will put out our best team against tranny and co.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:04 am

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:
bluej wrote:Didn't he go past Garcia after Lescott?

Don't let facts get in the way of agendas chief.


I do have an agenda against him but that doesnt mean my point is invalid !

Who was the last man to stop Crouch ? answer is Lescott.



er yes it does :)

The last man to stop Crouch was Garcia and he also was beaten by a hand but again why let the facts get in thw way of your agenda.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:33 am

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:
bluej wrote:Didn't he go past Garcia after Lescott?

Don't let facts get in the way of agendas chief.


I do have an agenda against him but that doesnt mean my point is invalid !

Who was the last man to stop Crouch ? answer is Lescott.



er yes it does :)

The last man to stop Crouch was Garcia and he also was beaten by a hand but again why let the facts get in thw way of your agenda.


This is the usual thing that does my head in about Lescott bashing; it's actually done without any logic whatsoever & it's always been the case since he first signed. If he was as shit as people make out, I'd be at the head of the queue but he's actually one of the best defenders in Europe. Any actual quality defending he does seems to be ignored as if just any old cunt would have done the same. The problem is: they don't. The situations which Lescott defends are actually examples of someone doing their job expertly, not something Boateng or Savic can just step in & do, (as people have ridiculously suggested).

If Lescott is being pulled up for every single mistake, then apply the same standards to Vinny, Kolo & all the other defenders.

That's what I do; note how many mistakes they ALL make & how many are just one offs & how many keep happening.

At the moment, Lescott is making the odd mistake & Vinny is making lots of them both defensively & in possession of the ball.

Any of our defenders could cost us the game in Madrid. It could be Lescott on the day, it could be Vinny. But it's less likely to be Lescott as 1) he makes less mistakes & 2) he might not play.

If he doesn't play, even if we win 4-0, someone will make a mistake just as bad as any mistake Lescott makes; someone does it in every single game, but for some reason it's only Lescott who gets mentioned for it.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby city saint » Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:49 am

why does everyone think madrid are super human and were just turning up to make the numbers up.madrid looked very poor last night. even top rate teams struggle and city are no third rate team and granted it will be tough but it will be for them as well.
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Re: our back line against Madrid

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:54 am

city saint wrote:why does everyone think madrid are super human and were just turning up to make the numbers up.madrid looked very poor last night. even top rate teams struggle and city are no third rate team and granted it will be tough but it will be for them as well.


I think last season's City at full tilt would beat them twice but we are not yet firing on all cylinders & are not quite at that standard. We weren't at that standard pre season or until we went to Spurs though, so there's no reason we can't kick into gear on Tues.
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