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Re: nasti

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:08 pm

mr_nool wrote:
PeterParker wrote:He played the second best team in the world for his debut at City facing Benzema and Higuain and that spastic di Maria.

He has done well. Big games will take him to the next level.


I agree on that. Given the circumstances he did well. But I don't think it was the right decision to play him. It didn't make life easier for Kompany either.


Fuck me your a biggger tit than I thought..........now Nasti gets the blame for Kompanys fuck ups.


Listen stupid....Mancini thought that Nasti ahead of Lescott (who has fucked up all season) was the way to go...and he was right..so your opinion is like you..worthless.

do one.
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Re: nasti

Postby Redna » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:09 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:I love to see new blood blooded but tonight was not that night.

Well done mate, we got it wrong.




HANG ON HANG ON!!!

We didnt lose because Nasti was in the line up , we lost because VINNY GAVE AWAY 2 FUCKING GOALS.


Are people on here so fucking stupid?


In the end we lost because Real were the better team. Strange things happen. We offered them to much space from minute one to minute 93. And that's a fact.
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Re: nasti

Postby PeterParker » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:10 pm

mr_nool wrote:
PeterParker wrote:He played the second best team in the world for his debut at City facing Benzema and Higuain and that spastic di Maria.

He has done well. Big games will take him to the next level.


I agree on that. Given the circumstances he did well. But I don't think it was the right decision to play him. It didn't make life easier for Kompany either.


When did Bobby's decision had been logical since we have him here? Just look at the eleven with Stoke.
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Re: nasti

Postby Dubaimancityfan » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:11 pm

mr_nool wrote:
PeterParker wrote:He played the second best team in the world for his debut at City facing Benzema and Higuain and that spastic di Maria.

He has done well. Big games will take him to the next level.


I agree on that. Given the circumstances he did well. But I don't think it was the right decision to play him. It didn't make life easier for Kompany either.


I also agree. He did well under the circumstances but did cost us the 2nd goal. Might of also affected Vinnie's performance as I'm sure Vinnie would have preferred to have someone like Lescott or Kolo beside him for such a big match. I think Mancini fucked up on this one.
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Re: nasti

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:12 pm

Grandad Rosler wrote:In my opinion I really don't think that lescott would have made the slightest bit of difference tonight, in fact he could of made it worse considering his pace and how he likes to just swing a leg at times


He really couldn't have made it worse.

Whatever spin Bob puts on that, it was dreadful defending. Not because the individuals are shit, but because they are not a unit.

Lescott has been closer to what a defender should be than anyone bar Clichy. He is one of the bits that was working almost as it should & has been replaced by another bit that isn't working anywhere close to it.
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Re: nasti

Postby mr_nool » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:12 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
mr_nool wrote:
PeterParker wrote:He played the second best team in the world for his debut at City facing Benzema and Higuain and that spastic di Maria.

He has done well. Big games will take him to the next level.


I agree on that. Given the circumstances he did well. But I don't think it was the right decision to play him. It didn't make life easier for Kompany either.


Fuck me your a biggger tit than I thought..........now Nasti gets the blame for Kompanys fuck ups.


Listen stupid....Mancini thought that Nasti ahead of Lescott (who has fucked up all season) was the way to go...and he was right..so your opinion is like you..worthless.

do one.


I'M NOT BLAMING NASTI FOR KOMPANY'S MISTAKES YOU STOOOOPID FUCKING CUNT.
But why the hell give an already shaky Kompany two new (I count Maicon as new) partners? Away. At Bernabeu. Against Real Madrid?
Try to see past individual performances and mistakes just for once!
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Re: nasti

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:16 pm

mr_nool wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
mr_nool wrote:
PeterParker wrote:He played the second best team in the world for his debut at City facing Benzema and Higuain and that spastic di Maria.

He has done well. Big games will take him to the next level.


I agree on that. Given the circumstances he did well. But I don't think it was the right decision to play him. It didn't make life easier for Kompany either.


Fuck me your a biggger tit than I thought..........now Nasti gets the blame for Kompanys fuck ups.


Listen stupid....Mancini thought that Nasti ahead of Lescott (who has fucked up all season) was the way to go...and he was right..so your opinion is like you..worthless.

do one.


I'M NOT BLAMING NASTI FOR KOMPANY'S MISTAKES YOU STOOOOPID FUCKING CUNT.
But why the hell give an already shaky Kompany two new (I count Maicon as new) partners? Away. At Bernabeu. Against Real Madrid?
Try to see past individual performances and mistakes just for once!


what you and your ilk cannot understand is WHY MANCINI MADE THE CHANGES today???? he made them because we have leaked in goals galore with lescott/Kompany partnership since the latter of last season....its not a change he made willy fucking nilly.

KOMPANY LOST US THE GAME TODAY..HE WAS AT FAULT FOR 2 GOALS......WATCH THE BASTID HIGHLIGHTS.
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Re: nasti

Postby shakeyboy » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:16 pm

Let's not forget that he got turned by Karim Benzema. imo the best current central forward at arguably the greatest football club in European history. He'd be far from the first and likely farther from the last defender that will happen to. I can't honestly say any other defender we have would have done any better. Particularly with di Maria delivering Karim the ball after strolling through half our midfield. Nasti shouldn't have been put in that situation to start with.
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Re: nasti

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:17 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
mr_nool wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
mr_nool wrote:
PeterParker wrote:He played the second best team in the world for his debut at City facing Benzema and Higuain and that spastic di Maria.

He has done well. Big games will take him to the next level.


I agree on that. Given the circumstances he did well. But I don't think it was the right decision to play him. It didn't make life easier for Kompany either.


Fuck me your a biggger tit than I thought..........now Nasti gets the blame for Kompanys fuck ups.


Listen stupid....Mancini thought that Nasti ahead of Lescott (who has fucked up all season) was the way to go...and he was right..so your opinion is like you..worthless.

do one.


I'M NOT BLAMING NASTI FOR KOMPANY'S MISTAKES YOU STOOOOPID FUCKING CUNT.
But why the hell give an already shaky Kompany two new (I count Maicon as new) partners? Away. At Bernabeu. Against Real Madrid?
Try to see past individual performances and mistakes just for once!


what you and your ilk cannot understand is WHY MANCINI MADE THE CHANGES today???? he made them because we have leaked in goals galore with lescott/Kompany partnership since the latter of last season....its not a change he made willy fucking nilly.

KOMPANY LOST US THE GAME TODAY..HE WAS AT FAULT FOR 2 GOALS......WATCH THE BASTID HIGHLIGHTS.


Zabba was more at fault for the last goal.
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Re: nasti

Postby Grandad Rosler » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:23 pm

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He really couldn't have made it worse.

Whatever spin Bob puts on that, it was dreadful defending. Not because the individuals are shit, but because they are not a unit.

Lescott has been closer to what a defender should be than anyone bar Clichy. He is one of the bits that was working almost as it should & has been replaced by another bit that isn't working anywhere close to it.


Dont get me wrong, i like Lescott, but players half the talent of the likes of ronaldo, di Maria, ozil et al have made lescott look a mug at times, therefore could have been even more vulnerable tonight.

If Nastasic had had a stormer then the decision to include him would of been a touch of genius

As it happens he just had an average game like the rest of our dodgy looking defence who seemed intent on letting world class players shoot from wherever they liked
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Re: nasti

Postby Beefymcfc » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:24 pm

We showed that we can outplay them when the tactics dictated. We also showed that we couldn't handle it when they dictated.

We were leading, they won, Bobby got it wrong.
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Re: nasti

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:41 pm

Grandad Rosler wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
He really couldn't have made it worse.

Whatever spin Bob puts on that, it was dreadful defending. Not because the individuals are shit, but because they are not a unit.

Lescott has been closer to what a defender should be than anyone bar Clichy. He is one of the bits that was working almost as it should & has been replaced by another bit that isn't working anywhere close to it.


Dont get me wrong, i like Lescott, but players half the talent of the likes of ronaldo, di Maria, ozil et al have made lescott look a mug at times, therefore could have been even more vulnerable tonight.

If Nastasic had had a stormer then the decision to include him would of been a touch of genius

As it happens he just had an average game like the rest of our dodgy looking defence who seemed intent on letting world class players shoot from wherever they liked


Lescott has had a longer & more successful career as a Premier League defender than VK. He was statistically the best in the league last season & has been better than Vinny in every game this season.

If playing a 19 year old kid at the Bernabau had worked, it would indeed have been hailed as genius, but seeing as the lad gave away 3 or 4 chances 1st half & several 2nd half down to elementary mistakes, it should be hailed as a fucking disaster.

A simple example that perhaps everyone will remember is a cross from the left which went accross our 6 yard box & was cleared by Clichy. Someone should have been tapping that in but Real's strikers were fucking useless. However, had Lescott been playing, he would have been stood near post & just hoofed it out of the box before it reached our goalmouth.

Not because it takes the world's greatest defender to do it, just simply because that's what our back 4 do in that position & that's where the cb should have been. Nasty didn't do that because he's 19 & has never played in our back 4.

One day he will. He made countless other similar errors & many of them could & should have cost us goals.

He shouldn't have been playing & the result could have been a lot worse.

Mancini got away with it tonight.
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Re: nasti

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:09 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Grandad Rosler wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
He really couldn't have made it worse.

Whatever spin Bob puts on that, it was dreadful defending. Not because the individuals are shit, but because they are not a unit.

Lescott has been closer to what a defender should be than anyone bar Clichy. He is one of the bits that was working almost as it should & has been replaced by another bit that isn't working anywhere close to it.


Dont get me wrong, i like Lescott, but players half the talent of the likes of ronaldo, di Maria, ozil et al have made lescott look a mug at times, therefore could have been even more vulnerable tonight.

If Nastasic had had a stormer then the decision to include him would of been a touch of genius

As it happens he just had an average game like the rest of our dodgy looking defence who seemed intent on letting world class players shoot from wherever they liked


I remember that cross.It seemed Nasti was in the right place but it was as if he just left it. Very strange

Lescott has had a longer & more successful career as a Premier League defender than VK. He was statistically the best in the league last season & has been better than Vinny in every game this season.

If playing a 19 year old kid at the Bernabau had worked, it would indeed have been hailed as genius, but seeing as the lad gave away 3 or 4 chances 1st half & several 2nd half down to elementary mistakes, it should be hailed as a fucking disaster.

A simple example that perhaps everyone will remember is a cross from the left which went accross our 6 yard box & was cleared by Clichy. Someone should have been tapping that in but Real's strikers were fucking useless. However, had Lescott been playing, he would have been stood near post & just hoofed it out of the box before it reached our goalmouth.

Not because it takes the world's greatest defender to do it, just simply because that's what our back 4 do in that position & that's where the cb should have been. Nasty didn't do that because he's 19 & has never played in our back 4.

One day he will. He made countless other similar errors & many of them could & should have cost us goals.

He shouldn't have been playing & the result could have been a lot worse.

Mancini got away with it tonight.
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Re: nasti

Postby Goataldo » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:28 pm

Was initially slagging the team selection, as I would have picked Lescott, and it seemed a weird thing to do, blooding Nasti at the Bernabau.
As the game went on though, I was impressed with the lad - he made a few clangers - but also showed a few moments of classy composure cool nerves and skill/reading of the game, which even at his young age hinted he'll be a more skilful defender than Joleon, eventually. Not that that makes it unweird, that he dropped Lescott.

It was shitty individual or combined errors, uncharacteristic and reactive (or not as the case may be) that cost us today. In my opinion to blame Mancini is foolish.
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Re: nasti

Postby Beefymcfc » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:35 pm

There's some very good arguements either way but as a basic would anybody not play a Prem League Winner in the CL against probably the best team around in favour of a young lad who's not had a game this season?

It's embarrassing! Not for him, for the manager. If you win, you're right. If you lose, take the pain, all part of it.

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Postby Goataldo » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:40 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:There's some very good arguements either way but as a basic would anybody not play a Prem League Winner in the CL against probably the best team around in favour of a young lad who's not had a game this season?

It's embarrassing! Not for him, for the manager. If you win, you're right. If you lose, take the pain, all part of it.

I Blame Mancini!


As far as it being a gamble playing NAsti - it paid off - he didn't cost us the game, as you might expect given the 'baptism of fire' shit, he made a couple of mistakes - but that's not what lost us the game. To blame Mancini for individual player mistakes is opening up bigger questions than tonight's game offers. And it's a moot point imo.
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Re: nasti

Postby Beefymcfc » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:50 pm

Goataldo wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:There's some very good arguements either way but as a basic would anybody not play a Prem League Winner in the CL against probably the best team around in favour of a young lad who's not had a game this season?

It's embarrassing! Not for him, for the manager. If you win, you're right. If you lose, take the pain, all part of it.

I Blame Mancini!


As far as it being a gamble playing NAsti - it paid off - he didn't cost us the game, as you might expect given the 'baptism of fire' shit, he made a couple of mistakes - but that's not what lost us the game. To blame Mancini for individual player mistakes is opening up bigger questions than tonight's game offers. And it's a moot point imo.

To be honest mate, the 'Mancini Blame' thread is just for people to spout off at. Nasti, as this thread dictates, just was not up to it tonight. He can play some great balls forward, hard into feet, but he isn't ready yet to take it furrther.

I enjoyed certain parts but didn't enjoy the situation at the back, it was dire. Neither him or Vince had a say, hopefully, I just hope Vince is not blaming the basics on Lescott because in my eyes, Lescott has turned out the better player.
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Re: nasti

Postby Moonchesteri » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:53 pm

I thought he did really well tonight! Especially considering who we played. And where. And this was his first game with the other lads in the defence. He can definitely hold his head up after today's game. I hope to see him starting against Villa in League cup.
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Re: nasti

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:57 pm

Incredible how all the anger is aimed at the guy that didnt cost us the game.


ONE LAST TIME...KOMPANY COST US THE GAME....PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
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Re: nasti

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:58 pm

Goataldo wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:There's some very good arguements either way but as a basic would anybody not play a Prem League Winner in the CL against probably the best team around in favour of a young lad who's not had a game this season?

It's embarrassing! Not for him, for the manager. If you win, you're right. If you lose, take the pain, all part of it.

I Blame Mancini!


As far as it being a gamble playing NAsti - it paid off - he didn't cost us the game, as you might expect given the 'baptism of fire' shit, he made a couple of mistakes - but that's not what lost us the game. To blame Mancini for individual player mistakes is opening up bigger questions than tonight's game offers. And it's a moot point imo.


We will never know if it cost us the game, as we have no idea how our best back 4 would have done.

Imo the reason Vinny is playing like shite is because Mancini has been leaving him stuck with a different bunch of players & different system every single game & he doesn't know who is at the side or behind him half the time.

If you askeed Vinny who he wanted in the back 4, he would say Lescott before any other name.

As far as potential goes, I'm delighted with Nasty but as a player v Real Madrid, he was all over the shop.
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