Mario Götze

[PALUS]

So u just count wath good English club did and wath Geman do fuck it it was luck , Everton would won this Borussia from last night ok u see the future then ,Bayern was in final ,my point is German club was in final , German club just fuck us , and fuck us good we did not loose only because Hart was alien tonight , So if German Champs fuck Premiere Champs and if Bayern play final and lost but lost by norow way HOW REALLY HOW U CAN SAY THAT PREMIERE IS SO MUCH BETTER THEN GERMAN LEUGUE. ,if last year we did not get from group ,rags was out from BASEL , REPET ,BASEL , so watch both side , Premiere is maybe better but in difrence u was saying even u know that is shit u are just stubborn, if you ask anyone who is impartial will say the same as me, Premiere is better but that is a small difrence. We was just rape by German Champs last night like i not see for long time and Hart should get statue because we should lost by 6 2 or something like that on our field but ok be stubborn, Premiere is miles away from Germany :)

It is better.

That doesn't mean that there can't be a German team better than an English team. Dortmund may be better than us this season, but that means nothing. Dortmund being better than us has no baring on the quality of our league. Just as Chelsea winning the Champions Legue & beating the teams that beat City, doesn't make them a better team than City.

Dortmund played better than City last night. Well done to them. Perhaps they would finish above us if they played in our league, but my bet is that if they went to Stoke this time next week they would probably get fucking hammered.

You forget that u tell me that is so big difrence betwen those two that cant even compere i said its better have few more stronger clubs but is it that big difrence no and i think most people whoo are no Gemans or English would agree.And i cant discuss more about this, you have your opinion I have mine, I'm upset for the game last night and a lot, Bob is starting to get on my nerves,

I've not forgotten anything. Most teams who win the German League except Bayern, just get turned over comfortably by Utd etc.

Bayern occasionally have a good run & beat some of our teams.

City will get turned over twice by Ajax if they play like they did last night. Judging Dortmund in comparison to City gives an artificial impression. City were really really shit.

U are just look from one side many of English club will do the same just get turned over comfortably by Bayern and did Rags go out from Basel who is by compere to Germany nothing so its all abaut form in that moment , i agree Premiere is better but by that much NO and that is my opinion u have yours end of .

[phips]

Reus and Gotze are the best german prospects right now..hands down.
And in the top 5 of young prospects in the world.


I really hope they stay in germany though. And id take either one over Hazard, Nasri, Oscar, Lucas Moura, Pastore, and Modric.


As for the debate of Bundesliga vs. Prem, Fox Soccer put it perfectly during the City-Dortmund game last night.
German teams haven't beaten an English team on English soil in years...years.
But, Klopp, who is famous for saying the Bundesliga is better than the prem, doesn't say that Dortmund could beat
any prem team..or that Bayern could. He says that top to bottom, the Bundesliga is better...in terms of competition.
La Liga is the stark opposite with only Real and Barca at the top. Prem has its "big 4" with City joining in and, to a lesser extent, Tottenham. Last season saw Newcastle impress and this season has seen Everton impress..but neither one got/will get a CL spot. The top 4 will be some combo of the new "big 5 1/2". The Bundesliga, on the other hand, saw Bayern dominate for awhile and now Dortmund has repeated. There is much more competition, top to bottom, in the Bundesliga than probably any other league.
People have said that the Bundesliga is better than the Prem, not Bundesliga teams are better than Prem teams. They're mentioning the leagues, not teams.

[Im_Spartacus]

Reus and Gotze are the best german prospects right now..hands down.
And in the top 5 of young prospects in the world.

I really hope they stay in germany though. And id take either one over Hazard, Nasri, Oscar, Lucas Moura, Pastore, and Modric.

As for the debate of Bundesliga vs. Prem, Fox Soccer put it perfectly during the City-Dortmund game last night.
German teams haven't beaten an English team on English soil in years...years.
But, Klopp, who is famous for saying the Bundesliga is better than the prem, doesn't say that Dortmund could beat
any prem team..or that Bayern could. He says that top to bottom, the Bundesliga is better...in terms of competition.
La Liga is the stark opposite with only Real and Barca at the top. Prem has its "big 4" with City joining in and, to a lesser extent, Tottenham. Last season saw Newcastle impress and this season has seen Everton impress..but neither one got/will get a CL spot. The top 4 will be some combo of the new "big 5 1/2". The Bundesliga, on the other hand, saw Bayern dominate for awhile and now Dortmund has repeated. There is much more competition, top to bottom, in the Bundesliga than probably any other league.
People have say Bundesliga is better than the Prem, not Bundesliga teams are better than Prem teams. They're mentioning the leagues, not teams.

I dont understand how a league which is dominated for short spells by different teams, is any better quality than a league dominated by 3,4,5,6 clubs - all of whom know that any other team in the league is capable of beating them on their day.

Thats the beauty of the premier league, as skewed as the tables are, on their day, any team can give any team a going over. The difference is, like I suspect in Germany, there are only ever Munich plus 1 other teams strong enough to put together a run consistent enough to run for the title. That says more about the quality of the teams at the top rather than the teams at the bottom, and I would fancy Stoke, Swansea, Villa etc to comfortably beat any lower/mid table german side you cared to mention 6 or 7 times out of 10

[dick dastardley]

if we bought every player thats played well against us we woyuld have a squad of 200 players!!!

[Alex Sapphire]

if we bought every player thats played well against us we woyuld have a squad of 200 players!!!

and we'd have to buy back all the players we've ever sold

[thegoatfeeder]

Reus and Gotze are superb footballers, yes City were crap, but Dortmund are a quality team and its a bit daft to claim they aren't. Those 2 will move for huge huge money somewhere fairly soon I would imagine, as someone else said, for me, Gotze is already better than Ozil and Reus will continue to improve as well.

[Ted Hughes]

Reus and Gotze are the best german prospects right now..hands down.
And in the top 5 of young prospects in the world.


I really hope they stay in germany though. And id take either one over Hazard, Nasri, Oscar, Lucas Moura, Pastore, and Modric.


As for the debate of Bundesliga vs. Prem, Fox Soccer put it perfectly during the City-Dortmund game last night.
German teams haven't beaten an English team on English soil in years...years.
But, Klopp, who is famous for saying the Bundesliga is better than the prem, doesn't say that Dortmund could beat
any prem team..or that Bayern could. He says that top to bottom, the Bundesliga is better...in terms of competition.
La Liga is the stark opposite with only Real and Barca at the top. Prem has its "big 4" with City joining in and, to a lesser extent, Tottenham. Last season saw Newcastle impress and this season has seen Everton impress..but neither one got/will get a CL spot. The top 4 will be some combo of the new "big 5 1/2". The Bundesliga, on the other hand, saw Bayern dominate for awhile and now Dortmund has repeated. There is much more competition, top to bottom, in the Bundesliga than probably any other league.
People have say Bundesliga is better than the Prem, not Bundesliga teams are better than Prem teams. They're mentioning the leagues, not teams.

Here's what I think the difference is.

Imo, the Bundesliga is more competitive in an attacking sense. A typical Bundesliga game is like the 1st half of City Dortmund, the tactics are there but they don't quite work & both sides end up creating & missing chances.

In the Premier League, most of the time your opponent isn't interested in giving you a game, they just want to stop you & will do ANYTHING to stop you. They have worked on ways of doing this for years against sides bulit by Ferguson, Mourinho, Wenger & are still trying every day to perfect it further. Even if that means standing all 11 players in their own half, AT HOME, & only playing for corner kicks & putting three players to stop one of yours ; ANYTHING that they think will stop you, they will do it on the day. No two teams are alike & there are a huge variety of strengths & weaknesses which you have to learn & adapt to.

From one game to the next, you are facing a different challenge & a different style. Finding a way to beat that, is key & that is what the rags mean when they talk of 'experience'. The rags pretty much perfected it at one time. Dortmund offer a similar challenge to us; we have not often come up against a team who play like that, with a packed, fast midfield, apart from Arsenal, & we struggled there & were shit. The rags have seen it all before & in games like that, just go 'ok it's one of THOSE type of games, we do this..'

When they were good, the rags have seen teams like that & worked out how to beat them easily. When we casually wasted 3 or 4 chances at the start, that would have been 3 or 4 goals to the rags & Dortmund psychologically destroyed. They have played in scores of games like that & won them comfortably.

Dortmund are a good side but they got plenty of stuff wrong & we were naive & shit or we would have exploited it.

If Dortmund played in the Prem, there would be an army of managers watching their every move & figuring out, not how to beat them, but how to stop them. Every time they dropped a single point, they would be in danger of missing not only the title, but top 4. The pressure to win every single game against teams who are happy to just stop them, not to compete with them.

If & when they learned to deal with that, then they would be viable Prem Champs, but line up like that v Everton in the middle of Jan, & they would just put 8 players goal side of Dortmund's midfield & say 'go on then, use your pace now'.

Then they would win 2-0 from Felaini headers & Tony Pulis & ten others would be watching & writing down every detail.

That is why the Premier League is different, not always as entertaining in an attacking sense but better, much much better.

[phips]

As for the debate of Bundesliga vs. Prem, Fox Soccer put it perfectly during the City-Dortmund game last night.
German teams haven't beaten an English team on English soil in years...years.
But, Klopp, who is famous for saying the Bundesliga is better than the prem, doesn't say that Dortmund could beat
any prem team..or that Bayern could. He says that top to bottom, the Bundesliga is better...in terms of competition.
La Liga is the stark opposite with only Real and Barca at the top. Prem has its "big 4" with City joining in and, to a lesser extent, Tottenham. Last season saw Newcastle impress and this season has seen Everton impress..but neither one got/will get a CL spot. The top 4 will be some combo of the new "big 5 1/2". The Bundesliga, on the other hand, saw Bayern dominate for awhile and now Dortmund has repeated. There is much more competition, top to bottom, in the Bundesliga than probably any other league.
People have said that the Bundesliga is better than the Prem, not Bundesliga teams are better than Prem teams. They're mentioning the leagues, not teams.

Here's what I think the difference is.

Imo, the Bundesliga is more competitive in an attacking sense. A typical Bundesliga game is like the 1st half of City Dortmund, the tactics are there but they don't quite work & both sides end up creating & missing chances.

In the Premier League, most of the time your opponent isn't interested in giving you a game, they just want to stop you & will do ANYTHING to stop you. They have worked on ways of doing this for years against sides bulit by Ferguson, Mourinho, Wenger & are still trying every day to perfect it further. Even if that means standing all 11 players in their own half, AT HOME, & only playing for corner kicks & putting three players to stop one of yours ; ANYTHING that they think will stop you, they will do it on the day. No two teams are alike & there are a huge variety of strengths & weaknesses which you have to learn & adapt to.

From one game to the next, you are facing a different challenge & a different style. Finding a way to beat that, is key & that is what the rags mean when they talk of 'experience'. The rags pretty much perfected it at one time. Dortmund offer a similar challenge to us; we have not often come up against a team who play like that, with a packed, fast midfield, apart from Arsenal, & we struggled there & were shit. The rags have seen it all before & in games like that, just go 'ok it's one of THOSE type of games, we do this..'

When they were good, the rags have seen teams like that & worked out how to beat them easily. When we casually wasted 3 or 4 chances at the start, that would have been 3 or 4 goals to the rags & Dortmund psychologically destroyed. They have played in scores of games like that & won them comfortably.

Dortmund are a good side but they got plenty of stuff wrong & we were naive & shit or we would have exploited it.

If Dortmund played in the Prem, there would be an army of managers watching their every move & figuring out, not how to beat them, but how to stop them. Every time they dropped a single point, they would be in danger of missing not only the title, but top 4. The pressure to win every single game against teams who are happy to just stop them, not to compete with them.

If & when they learned to deal with that, then they would be viable Prem Champs, but line up like that v Everton in the middle of Jan, & they would just put 8 players goal side of Dortmund's midfield & say 'go on then, use your pace now'.

Then they would win 2-0 from Felaini headers & Tony Pulis & ten others would be watching & writing down every detail.

That is why the Premier League is different, not always as entertaining in an attacking sense but better, much much better.

Nice stuff. I don't really know where I stand on the Bundesliga vs. Premier League debate....frankly, i don't give a shit which one is better. I like both and like teams in both and that's good enough for me. My above was just me trying to figure out/possibly sum up why Klopp (and maybe others) think the Bundesliga is better than the Premier League; my summation could've been completely wrong but that's all i could come up with from what i know and have heard.

[phips]

Wow. Dortmund are crazy. Good thing I didnt by that Gotze jersey like I was planning...

Borussia Dortmund have confirmed that Germany midfielder Mario Gotze will join Bundesliga rivals Bayern Munich in a £32million deal.
Dortmund revealed the news on their Facebook page, although they were keen to stress they had yet to hear anything official from Bayern.

"Mario Gotze's agent Volker Struth told us a few days ago that the player wishes to make use of his release clause and on July 1, 2013 move to Bayern Munich," read the Dortmund statement.

Dortmund chief executive Hans-Joachim Watzke admitted he would be sorry to see Gotze go but admitted the player had not broken his contract to secure the move.

"We are obviously disappointed beyond measure, but emphasise that both Mario and his advisers have behaved within the terms of the contract," he said.

"From Bayern Munich there has been nothing official on this matter up to this date."

Bayern subsequently released a statement confirming the deal which read: "Bayern Munich confirm that the club have reached an agreement with national team player Mario Gotze that he will play for Bayern Munich from 1 July 2013.

"Bayern are prepared to meet the release clause agreed between Borussia Dortmund and Mario Gotze."

The timing of the announcement is unhelpful for Dortmund, who face Real Madrid at the Westfalenstadion in the first leg of their Champions League semi-final on Wednesday.

Dortmund have urged fans to get behind Gotze and the rest of the team though, as they look to secure a place in the Wembley final against Bayern or Barcelona.

The statement added: "Coach Jurgen Klopp and sporting director Michael Zorc ask all fans of Borussia Dortmund to support Mario Gotze unconditionally as they would any other player in the final games of the season, but especially in the important Champions League semi-final against Real Madrid."

Klopp's side recently lost the Bundesliga crown they won in each of the past two seasons, with Bayern claiming the title in record time.

If they sell Lewandowski too theyre fucked.
Also sounds like this is the end of Robben at Bayern.

Neuer
Lahm Bonfima Badstuber Alaba
Martinez Schweinsteiger
Muller Gotze Ribery
Mandzukic

Subs: Kroos, Boateng, Shaqiri, Gomez, Gustavo, Pizarro, some CB, and some keeper.
although, maybe Gomez leaves too.

[Green & Blue]

Bayern are strong enough as it is with Gotze they will be even better.Pretty sickening for the Dortmund fans.

[phips]

makes sense why Pep would want him so badly...he's going to need a playmaker like that in the squad if he is going to bring some (or all) of his Barca style...and Bayern didnt really have a player like that. Their playmaker is/was Kroos...

[Clowncrete]

Anyone thinks we should trade them Dzeko who wants to leave and some cash for Reus?

[MilnersJaw]

Don't understand why Munich would sell to their rivals like that.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Don't understand why Munich would sell to their rivals like that.

No choice. Munich have offered the buy-out clause, and they player wants to go to them.

[Risby]

Peps influence already. Already hand picking his midfield. Who will he base the team around though. Quite a few personalities in the Munich team.

[phips]

Anyone thinks we should trade them Dzeko who wants to leave and some cash for Reus?

yeah, but theyll never do that. especially not now or they will have zero midfield.

Don't understand why Munich would sell to their rivals like that.

No choice. Munich have offered the buy-out clause, and they player wants to go to them.

i thought the buy-out clause for a player still under contract just meant that if it was met then that club could talk to the player.
not that the parent club had to sell....



and wow. Modric, Pastore, Lucas Moura, and Javi Martinez all cost more than Gotze...what a joke.

[Nigels Tackle]

don't get why the deal has been announced before both their seasons are over?

have dortmund agreed to roll over and take it from behind vs real tomorrow night?

imagine the atmosphere at the etihad if we announced that we'd agreed to sell yaya to the rags the day before a champions league semi final.

rifuckingdiculous

[chrizzer]

don't get why the deal has been announced before both their seasons are over?

have dortmund agreed to roll over and take it from behind vs real tomorrow night?

imagine the atmosphere at the etihad if we announced that we'd agreed to sell yaya to the rags the day before a champions league semi final.

rifuckingdiculous

Very good question. Bayern and also a newspaper (close to Bayern officials) launched this news today.

SINCE YESTERDAY ULI HOENESS IS ALL OVER IN THE GERMAN MEDIA FOR TAX FRAUD (COUPLE OF MILLIONS).

so I guess this was announced to take some pressure of him. Right now this transfer is talked about everywhere and the Hoeness causa is no big thing anymore

[phips]

don't get why the deal has been announced before both their seasons are over?

have dortmund agreed to roll over and take it from behind vs real tomorrow night?

imagine the atmosphere at the etihad if we announced that we'd agreed to sell yaya to the rags the day before a champions league semi final.

rifuckingdiculous

Very good question. Bayern and also a newspaper (close to Bayern officials) launched this news today.

SINCE YESTERDAY ULI HOENESS IS ALL OVER IN THE GERMAN MEDIA FOR TAX FRAUD (COUPLE OF MILLIONS).

so I guess this was announced to take some pressure of him. Right now this transfer is talked about everywhere and the Hoeness causa is no big thing anymore

not so sure about this at all.

BVB were the ones who announced it on their facebook page. they also said that Bayern were quiet....they were waiting for this week's matches to be over. looks like it was a major fuck up on BVB's admins part.

[Beefymcfc]

The 1st showing that FFP has acheived its' aims.